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Ms Zallinger	Posted - 2007.09.21 01:42:00 - [1] I am not computer savvy and am not looking for a macro, I just want to know if what i am seeing in local chat is a macro being started. Lately I have been running missions in The Citadel, and on occasion I am seeing large groups hanging about and then I see '......' and 'dsasda' typed in local chat..Is this the sign of isk farmer and macrominers? Is there a way to pop these guys.. Thanks for your time..
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:24:00 - [2] it is easy to learn them. You must look for nonsensical names in the local list and when they speak to you they klonat to have a talk in that broken English. Furthermore they will spend 23/7 in the same system making the same things generally. This will basic road say. ----------------- Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
LancerSix Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:29:00 - [3] Edited by: LancerSix on 21/09/2007 02:29:31 They are also almost ALWAYS in NPC corps. And they say Derek a lot.
wictro	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:33:00 - [4] please notice that isk farming is done by many legit players, and is within game rules. isk selling aint. using makros aint spamming aint but basically peoples are free to run as many accounts they can physically handle :p
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:41:00 - [5] <-- Long time macro hunter.. Finding macros boils down to how they do their stuff and not what the join date or name is though the less imaginitive one are easy to find using that set of identifiers.. Ore macros are almost exclusively jet can miners in ospreys/barges with an itty 5 constantly going from belt to belt draining cans.. Not much to do but petition them as they will never ever aggro you.. In the mean time you should purchase the biggest m3 indy you can find and immediatly start filching ore.. Always leave at least 1 unit of whatever is in the can so it will continue mining and make loads of isk without having to activate a single mining laser.. Pretty soon the macroer will get frustrated and log all his accounts off.. Repeat until he no longer mines in your system anymore or gets banned and get paid for doing it to boot.. Mission macros are kinda difficult to impossible to identify catch or harrass though.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
wictro	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:43:00 - [6] Edited by: wictro on 21/09/2007 02:44:21 mission running farmers are in principe legit players. the isk selling is the problem. EDIT: ISK selling _and_ buying is the problem! no supply without demand!
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:47:00 - [7] Spam angry comments and Anti-Chinese Goverment slogens in Chinese, if the suspeced macroers disopear and never return, then they were macroers.
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.21 03:42:00 - [8] Kill them all and let God sort them out.
Mutosuki	Posted - 2007.09.21 04:30:00 - [9] Edited by: Mutosuki on 21/09/2007 04:32:07 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <-- Long time macro hunter.. Finding macros boils down to how they do their stuff and not what the join date or name is though the less imaginitive one are easy to find using that set of identifiers.. Ore macros are almost exclusively jet can miners in ospreys/barges with an itty 5 constantly going from belt to belt draining cans.. Not much to do but petition them as they will never ever aggro you.. In the mean time you should purchase the biggest m3 indy you can find and immediatly start filching ore.. Always leave at least 1 unit of whatever is in the can so it will continue mining and make loads of isk without having to activate a single mining laser.. Pretty soon the macroer will get frustrated and log all his accounts off.. Repeat until he no longer mines in your system anymore or gets banned and get paid for doing it to boot.. Mission macros are kinda difficult to impossible to identify catch or harrass though.. thats some nice sweeping generalization you got going there. since, in fact, that's actually the most efficient way for a mining corp to do is business, which as it happens turns out to be that of mining ore to turn into minerals and use them for profit either directly or selling them to people who will use them (omg noes, the farmers are supporting the game, when will it ever end?!?!). I know whole corps dedicated to mining, and by your loose guideline of what a macroer is, they're all macroers. making money is part of the game, whether its ratting, gaming the market, mining, missions, or piracy, everyone makes money and has to make money somehow, to continue going up in the world. you may have had one or two experiences, or possibly you're simply making it up based on your "theory", but don't consider people who dont want to talk to you illegal macroers and farmers for isk to dollar sales. I didnt want to talk to many people in WoW, and there were others in cities who felt the same way. theres so many people out there who behave in ridiculous or immature ways that you only sparingly open conversation with someone. once, I spoke to someone, and they simply ignored me and moved straight over to their buddy and started talking. does this mean they're a macroer when theyre doing this in front of the UC mailbox? my point is that you cant prove anything and you dont really know any hard facts, all you do is make suppositions based on your observation, without any true proof. this is a sandbox game, people can play how they like, the witch hunting ways of "spotting macroers and farmers" really does more harm than good, since only someone with real power can tell whos who, like a GM. I think once you reach a point that based on the flimsiest piece of "evidence", (they're mining efficiently and doing a proper job) you tell yourself they're such and such a type of evil and cant be anything else, that you then proceed to harass and grief them as much as you can (directed constantly against an individual is against the rules you know), I think its time you took a break from the game instead. it is just a game after all. have you ever stopped to consider that you may be stealing from a bunch of newbie miners who have no firepower at their disposal so cant get rid of you, and are getting ****ed because you wont leave them alone, since theyre highsec carebears? sure its their fault, but would you still do it to them if they could speak english and tell you to screw off, or if you knew they werent macro/isk sellers/spammers? when in doubt, be mature. now dont even try to concoct a story to defend yourself, the salient points are: 1. no proof on your own, you are not a GM, nor do you speak multiple languages or have a way to communicate with them without their consent. 2. because someone is using the most efficient method doesnt make them isk sellers or spammers, or macroers, and these are what the real problems are, not your perceived ones. 3. there is no three.
Law Enforcer	Posted - 2007.09.21 04:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Law Enforcer on 21/09/2007 04:32:13 my previous corp killed a ratting macro by talking to him in chinese and asking him to join our corp. once he got outside the outpost (doesn't allowing docking for players not in said corp) we railed him. the next day we found him back in the same system in another raven.. I'm noticing a large number of corps in alliances allowing macro's into their own corps where they just rat away all day and never talk unless spoken to. would you allow some dude named knight24112 into your corp when theres a knight24111 like three systems away macro'ing?

Tammarr	Posted - 2007.09.21 05:45:00 - [11] what law says... farm***** ravens, sometimes in mass, seen joining into 0.0 corps and "not being noted", sure gives a nice extra isk to the corp to have couple or bunch of 23/7 ravens doing their thing to...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.21 05:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Mutosuki Edited by: Mutosuki on 21/09/2007 04:32:07 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <-- Long time macro hunter.. Finding macros boils down to how they do their stuff and not what the join date or name is though the less imaginitive one are easy to find using that set of identifiers.. Ore macros are almost exclusively jet can miners in ospreys/barges with an itty 5 constantly going from belt to belt draining cans.. Not much to do but petition them as they will never ever aggro you.. In the mean time you should purchase the biggest m3 indy you can find and immediatly start filching ore.. Always leave at least 1 unit of whatever is in the can so it will continue mining and make loads of isk without having to activate a single mining laser.. Pretty soon the macroer will get frustrated and log all his accounts off.. Repeat until he no longer mines in your system anymore or gets banned and get paid for doing it to boot.. Mission macros are kinda difficult to impossible to identify catch or harrass though.. thats some nice sweeping generalization you got going there. since, in fact, that's actually the most efficient way for a mining corp to do is business, which as it happens turns out to be that of mining ore to turn into minerals and use them for profit either directly or selling them to people who will use them (omg noes, the farmers are supporting the game, when will it ever end?!?!). I know whole corps dedicated to mining, and by your loose guideline of what a macroer is, they're all macroers. You'd think that the people I do that too would convo me or start squawking in local yes? How hard is it to notice a Mammoth snuggling up to your barge and milking it for ore? Would you if you were actually at the helm of said barge let me do it countless times before you finally log off 6 to 14 barges after I steal a few hundred million m3 of ore from you? Or would you warp in some of your corps muscle to kill me off as me thieving your ore flags me to the whole corp? I leave the ones who are obviously players on a mining op alone.. (mostly.. ) But when you start the ore filch train and notice no one is noticing then it gets kinda obvious.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.09.21 06:10:00 - [13] It's a combination of different little things. I'm not sure if there is a way to really see if someone is running a macro, but I heard from someone else that there is one but I don't know the technical details. So here's a list of these little things: 1. nonsense names, often they are in NPC corp 3. many characters working together born within a day or two of each other 4. fly ravens, caracals, kestrels 5. have known ISK farming corps in history such as T'ang, bob usb corp, Beatlrice, lots of farmers with Setenta in history 6. bad english and weird characters in bios, sometimes speak with those same weird characters in local 7. bots also have perfect timing, players don't - perhaps the most accurate way to see if someone is running a macro 8. since they play game like a job, same characters will be online for many hours every day (very few people play EVE 8-12 hours each day) And that's how you can tell macros and ISK-for-sale farmers from regular players who just want to make some ISK to play. guide to game time codes
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.21 06:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Law Enforcer Edited by: Law Enforcer on 21/09/2007 04:32:13 my previous corp killed a ratting macro by talking to him in chinese and asking him to join our corp. once he got outside the outpost (doesn't allowing docking for players not in said corp) we railed him. the next day we found him back in the same system in another raven.. I'm noticing a large number of corps in alliances allowing macro's into their own corps where they just rat away all day and never talk unless spoken to. would you allow some dude named knight24112 into your corp when theres a knight24111 like three systems away macro'ing? "Nice" story with a major flaw: if he replied he wasn't a macro. At most a farmer. Try at least to realize the difference.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2007.09.21 08:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus You'd think that the people I do that too would convo me or start squawking in local yes? Well, I know I wouldn't. I'd just stop mining after the first steal, be angry and quit playing for a while(hours). What purpose would talking serve? Quote: Would you if you were actually at the helm of said barge let me do it countless times before you finally log off 6 to 14 barges after I steal a few hundred million m3 of ore from you? Heh, true - that would mean the person mining is either stupid or a macro. Still, I can't say I like your methods. Don't know any better, though. Bumping is just as annoying, and might even be recognized by a good macro. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner.
Witchking Minmatar Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:15:00 - [16] I saw this lot yesterday, weird thing was they kept logging on and off every few minutes...and this was only half of the characters that kept appearing.... http://images.helms-deep.co.uk/eveonline.macro.jpg
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:35:00 - [17] who cares what they are? just steal their ore, kill everything that fires back, and dont cry if you get wardecced. profit. Sadly, my ally frowns upon slaying helpeless miners, ah the old days. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
lieut uhura Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:44:00 - [18] Quote: How do I tell Macroers and Isk farmers Simple: If you steal from them and they reply "why you do tha" & "You shameless thief", you know you found one. Vanaf vandaag niks mier te vreeze. Vanaf vandaag, wet ik vort dat. Soms is 't beater iets moeis te verleeze. Beater verleeze dan dat ge 't noeit het gehad.
Law Enforcer	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Law Enforcer Edited by: Law Enforcer on 21/09/2007 04:32:13 my previous corp killed a ratting macro by talking to him in chinese and asking him to join our corp. once he got outside the outpost (doesn't allowing docking for players not in said corp) we railed him. the next day we found him back in the same system in another raven.. I'm noticing a large number of corps in alliances allowing macro's into their own corps where they just rat away all day and never talk unless spoken to. would you allow some dude named knight24112 into your corp when theres a knight24111 like three systems away macro'ing? "Nice" story with a major flaw: if he replied he wasn't a macro. At most a farmer. Try at least to realize the difference. he could have been running a macro and just happen to be there at the time. don't troll.
Elan Varth Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:54:00 - [20] Quote: bad english Can we include any one who uses "leet" or "txt" speak into this then? Surely people with bad command of the server's default language are all macro-ers and farmers then. ===================================== The wonderful thing about Amarr Is Amarr are wonderful things Their ships are'nt made out of ductape Their lasers are made out of win

Ms Zallinger	Posted - 2007.09.21 12:12:00 - [21] they most fit the criteria in the lists made on this post..am I to assume CCP does nothing about it, that it is left to players to 'handle' them.
Law Enforcer	Posted - 2007.09.21 12:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Ms Zallinger they most fit the criteria in the lists made on this post..am I to assume CCP does nothing about it, that it is left to players to 'handle' them. ccp doesn't do anything about it. have you ever been in any of the trade channels like ships or modules? theres guys trying to sell isk for real world money on there 24/7 and never seem to get banned. the guys out in no-sec macro ratting never seem to get banned either.
Captain Narmio	Posted - 2007.09.21 12:38:00 - [23] "Excuse me sir/madam, just checking for macroers. If you want your ore back, just ask nicely and I'll be on my way without so much as nicking one scrap o' veld." If they respond coherently, give them back their ore, apologise and move on. If they don't, don't. No need to be too nice, though, if they aggro you let 'em have it. This is EVE after all.
Mr Li Suicidal Mercenaries	Posted - 2007.09.21 13:53:00 - [24] i've only been able to tell for sure because in some of the language chat channels they talk about their workshops. Like today is kind of a big holiday where I am, and someone who was blue to me in this channel was talking about how there was no one in the workshop because they were going to get dinner with their families or watch some fireworks.
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.09.21 13:57:00 - [25] I'm guessing that CCP tracks macroers mostly by looking for timing that's just a little too perfect to have come from a human being (or a human being behind a programmable keyboard). For the most part however, they seem to be far more interested in what's done with the ISK gathered that way than with how exactly it was gathered, as anyone who got a negative wallet will testify to. As for the OP, it could be a synchronization signal, but i am not sure if bots require much of that. You could of course (especially if they show some of the other aforementioned tell tale signs) petition them and have a GM decide if they fit the bill. Or just steal from them for fun and profitssssss


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