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Ixianus	Posted - 2007.09.24 06:12:00 - [1] That when I point into the sky, the line emanating from my finger and pointing out into the universe is pointing directly at an object, like a planet or star? Is there any way for someone on a novice level has access to information that would allow the calculation of this? And! To keep the thread alive and wriggling, what are some weird/interesting statistical information you wish you had access to? Go!
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.09.24 06:37:00 - [2] I'd say pretty good. It may not be visible from viewing, but there's likely a star out there. Since there are far more galaxies than stars, your chances climb greatly when factoring in extra-galactic bodies. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Shainx Schrodinger's Renegades	Posted - 2007.09.24 06:50:00 - [3] Well, assuming the Universe is infinite, I'd say it's pretty much guaranteed. _______ _______
Irish Whiskey Caldari Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2007.09.24 06:54:00 - [4] interesting statistical information
Tauscha Vald'or	Posted - 2007.09.24 07:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Shainx Well, assuming the Universe is infinite, I'd say it's pretty much guaranteed. Infinite? hardly. huge beyond imagination, yes, but infinite no. There is a boundary to our universe.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.24 07:46:00 - [6] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/09/2007 07:46:03 Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.09.24 07:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Originally by: Shainx Well, assuming the Universe is infinite, I'd say it's pretty much guaranteed. Infinite? hardly. huge beyond imagination, yes, but infinite no. There is a boundary to our universe. Can't wait to hear your opinion as to what's beyond the boundary.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.24 07:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Sazkyen Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Originally by: Shainx Well, assuming the Universe is infinite, I'd say it's pretty much guaranteed. Infinite? hardly. huge beyond imagination, yes, but infinite no. There is a boundary to our universe. Can't wait to hear your opinion as to what's beyond the boundary. One forgets that the universe is curved, and therefore there is no "edge." 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Shainx Schrodinger's Renegades	Posted - 2007.09.24 07:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/09/2007 07:46:03 Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. No, it wouldn't be. We can't see everything from Earth. Evidently I was wrong about the Universe being infinite, but I know for sure that the majority of it cannot be seen with the naked eye. If I'm wrong about that too, I just lost a large amount of respect for the Universe. _______ _______
Shainx Schrodinger's Renegades	Posted - 2007.09.24 07:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Sazkyen Can't wait to hear your opinion as to what's beyond the boundary. Jimmy Hoffa? _______ _______
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.09.24 07:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/09/2007 07:46:03 Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. That's not a valid argument for several reasons: - not all celestial objects radiate visible light - a lot of objects are behind other objects that emanate no light - most of them are so far that their light never make it here because it refracts on interstellar clouds and dust - also don't forget gravitational lensing - the earth's atmosphere absorbs the light of most of the stars that would be otherwise visible on the sky. Once outside the atmosphere space is literally full of stars.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.24 08:08:00 - [12] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/09/2007 08:11:44 Originally by: Sazkyen Originally by: Dark Shikari Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. That's not a valid argument for several reasons: - not all celestial objects radiate visible light - a lot of objects are behind other objects that emanate no light - most of them are so far that their light never make it here because it refracts on interstellar clouds and dust - also don't forget gravitational lensing - the earth's atmosphere absorbs the light of most of the stars that would be otherwise visible on the sky. Once outside the atmosphere space is literally full of stars. Interstellar clouds and dust is generally only a valid argument within the galaxy (it matters elsewhere, but not on the same order of magnitude), and the galaxy itself certainly doesn't have enough stars to "fill the sky." Most large celestial objects radiate visible light; brown dwarfs aren't particularly large, and there aren't that many large stellar remnants yet. The Earth's atmosphere scatters the light; it doesn't absorb that much of it. Generally the point is that if you do the math, you'll find that in the vast majority of directions you'll never run into anything. If you think otherwise, you aren't comprehending the insanely vast distances between stars. Originally by: Shainx Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/09/2007 07:46:03 Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. No, it wouldn't be. We can't see everything from Earth. Evidently I was wrong about the Universe being infinite, but I know for sure that the majority of it cannot be seen with the naked eye. If I'm wrong about that too, I just lost a large amount of respect for the Universe. The reason you can't see something with the naked eye is because it doesn't radiate enough photons fast enough for your eye to see it. One great way to look at the problem is sort of like that of a fractal. You look at the sky with the naked eye. and 99.9999% of it is black; a few thousand white dots make up the rest. You then look at a patch of the sky with a telescope. Again, 99.9999% of that area is black, but you see again a few thousand stars, just in that small area. You then look at a tiny patch of that patch with a much larger telescope. Again, 99.9999% of that area is black, but you see thousands more stars in just that tiny area of the sky. You then point a monumental telescope, like the Hubble, at a tiny tiny patch there. Again, 99.9999% of that area is black... etc, etc. The dimmer a star is, the farther away it is, and so the less of the sky it takes up (area-wise). 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.09.24 08:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Sazkyen Originally by: Dark Shikari Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. That's not a valid argument for several reasons: - not all celestial objects radiate visible light - a lot of objects are behind other objects that emanate no light - most of them are so far that their light never make it here because it refracts on interstellar clouds and dust - also don't forget gravitational lensing - the earth's atmosphere absorbs the light of most of the stars that would be otherwise visible on the sky. Once outside the atmosphere space is literally full of stars. Interstellar clouds and dust is generally only a valid argument within the galaxy, and the galaxy itself certainly doesn't have enough stars to "fill the sky." Most large celestial objects radiate visible light; brown dwarfs aren't particularly large, and there aren't that many large stellar remnants yet. The Earth's atmosphere scatters the light; it doesn't absorb that much of it. Generally the point is that if you do the math, you'll find that in the vast majority of directions you'll never run into anything. If you thinks otherwise, you aren't comprehending the insanely vast distances between stars. And you don't seem to take the dark matter and dark energy into account: "Only about 4% of the total energy density in the universe (as inferred from gravitational effects) can be seen directly. About 22% is thought to be composed of dark matter. The remaining 74% is thought to consist of dark energy, an even stranger component, distributed diffusely in space" The original question was about any objects not specifically stars.
Reiisha Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:22:00 - [14] Right now, most of what we know about things beyond our solar system is pure theory. I think this is the most important thing to keep in mind in this discussion. We are most definately not at the peak of scientific knowledge. We just have intruments that measure things a bit more precise than they used to. EVE History Wiki
Micia Minmatar N.A.S.A. Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Ixianus What are the Odds?... That when I point into the sky, the line emanating from my finger and pointing out into the universe is pointing directly at an object, like a planet or star? 50/50 Either you are, or you aren't.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:28:00 - [16] Because the universe tends to "clump", it would seem that's a variable that makes calculating the probability a bit of a guess... It all depends on where you point your finger... The universe is about 157 billion light-years in "diameter" I'm not sure how far we are to the "edge", but if you point your finger 180 degrees from that location towards the farthest point in that directions, the line emanating from your finger has more opportunity to "hit" something... Any calculation would have to take into account what that angle is... If you're looking to hit "normal matter", as someone stated, that only makes up 4% of the universe... That's a lot of "empty" space... My Current Project
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Originally by: Shainx Well, assuming the Universe is infinite, I'd say it's pretty much guaranteed. Infinite? hardly. huge beyond imagination, yes, but infinite no. There is a boundary to our universe. NO THERE BLOODY ISN'T!!!! Finite does not imply bounded. The earth surface is finite, but does that have an edge? NO!! Sorry, but people stating false things as fact ****es me off. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Ixianus That when I point into the sky, the line emanating from my finger and pointing out into the universe is pointing directly at an object, like a planet or star? Go! Mass of Universe / Volume of Universe x Clotting Constant The Clotting Constant, of course, varies. Even Einstein fudged the numbers a bit to make the universe come out the way he wanted it to. Factors considered in the calculation of the Clotting Constant include, but are not limited to: speed of light in vacuum charge on the electron number of Higgs Bosons in the universe pH of the universe Simpson Fraction (current ep# / total # of eps) Pancake Bunny. ----- TANSTAAFL When I engage these coils normally I do about 2x10^6 dps. But I try to avoid that because people, entire populations, like die. So I try to keep it to about 4x10^3 dps.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Micia 50/50 Either you are, or you aren't. I lol'd. 800mm Artillery II BPO Auction Ask me about Secured ISK Loans.
Mary Makepeace Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Ixianus That when I point into the sky, the line emanating from my finger and pointing out into the universe is pointing directly at an object, like a planet or star? your question needs some clarification. do you mean a line of zero thickness connecting the center of your pupil to the center of mass of your fingertip, or do you mean the area of space occluded by your fingertip? the one dimensional line with zero thickness requires you to know how much of the sky is covered by stellar objects, while there is a lot of stuff out there, most of is is very very far away, so cover very little of the sky. Although, i can't give a value for this the area occluded by your fingertip contains numerous galaxies. "For example, the apparent diameter of the full Moon, would be about 0.5 cm when compared with a ruler held at arm's length." so your fingertip when held at arms length can easily occlude the full moon. "Representing a narrow "keyhole" view all the way to the visible horizon of the universe, the HDF image covers a speck of sky 1/30th the diameter of the full Moon near Ursa Major (the Big Dipper)." so from a much smaller amount, you get the following image, where countless galaxies are seen. image information taken from these 2 sites. hubble deep field survey measuring angles in the sky
Shainx Schrodinger's Renegades	Posted - 2007.09.24 14:03:00 - [21] Originally by: DarkMatter It all depends on where you point your finger... Thread winner. ^^ _______ _______
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.24 14:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Shainx Well, assuming the Universe is infinite, I'd say it's pretty much guaranteed. word Call to arms!!!
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.09.24 14:58:00 - [23] Is the line created by the finger affected by fluidity of space? Or is it manifesting in a fictional spacial dimension in our mind? -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.09.24 14:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/09/2007 07:46:03 Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. Unless ofc the light of the star he's pointing at isn't reaching earth. That would prevent the sky from being "white", but wouldn't change the fact that there IS a star. _______________
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.24 15:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Death Kill on 24/09/2007 15:10:49 Edited by: Death Kill on 24/09/2007 15:08:37 Originally by: Dark Shikari Probably very very low that you're pointing exactly towards something. If the probability was high, the night sky would be white with light, because every point would end at a star. Wrong. Some stars are so far away their light cant be seen with the naked eye. All stars radiates light. If they didnt, they would not be stars but mere objects. Call to arms!!!
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2007.09.24 16:52:00 - [26] Honestly any scientific answer will be on the line of yes or no. But as a human being, odds are you are already touching the whole universe with that single line. Hard data and theories will prove a precise mathematical fact, sheer conscience and will will prove that you area already touching everything, so any line will touch anything, including, a planet or a star. Just my 2 copper worth of info to this thread. Cheers! *"The Theology Council is watching ... YOU!!!"* Viva VENEZUELA!!!
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.09.24 17:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Ixianus That when I point into the sky, the line emanating from my finger and pointing out into the universe is pointing directly at an object, like a planet or star? Depends on the thickness of your finger. If you're a proper fatty, I'd say you hit every time. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Ixianus	Posted - 2007.09.24 17:59:00 - [28] Edited by: Ixianus on 24/09/2007 18:07:15 Yeah, I was thinking about the infinite curve issue as well, that is in fact something Ive thought about alot in really boring math classes, like a line on a graph, if its infinite then really that line represents every point possible on that graph, cause itd just curve back on itself and thus occupy all space.... But yeah, I was wondering as well, what happens to that straight line when it hits the edge of the universe and presumably goes out into the hyperspace/multiverse area with all the other universes. Technically I suppose that I could be touching all points of existence both within and without of our universe with that single line.... Ponders Quote: Is the line created by the finger affected by fluidity of space? Or is it manifesting in a fictional spacial dimension in our mind? Thats an interesting question, I had just imagined a perfectly mathematically straight line, however would a line like that be subject to the infinite bend idea as well? I assume so, like on the graph, cause if not then it would be creating universe as it went, or something like that. Quote: your question needs some clarification. do you mean a line of zero thickness connecting the center of your pupil to the center of mass of your fingertip, or do you mean the area of space occluded by your fingertip? I mean a 1 dimensional line comming directly out of the center of my finger and going into the depths of space where monoliths dwell.
Mr McCargo	Posted - 2007.09.24 19:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Dark Shikari forgets that the universe is curved, and therefore there is no "edge." Chuck Norris can bend it straight.
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2007.09.24 22:11:00 - [30] Its well know that space cats built a brick wall at the end of space

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