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Flesh Eater	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:01:00 - [1] Sorry people, though many of you may THINK that "virii" and "bonii" sound cool - neither are actually words in English. I've noticed people posting"bonii" for a while and grimaced each time I have seen it, and today, the official news item when I logged in used the "word" "virii" - for $15 a month I expect better.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:07:00 - [2] z0mg j00 fkn n00b roffle mayo. OK,, more seriously,, what's there to really matter? I don't see people saying "I'm going to the asteroid belt to hunt pirates",, you see them say " I'm going ratting" Show me the english dictionary which says ratting == Hunting pirates at an asteroid belt. Sub-cultures have a tendency to invent their own language, it's a pretty basic fact of life. Improve Market Competition!
Sartaron Amarr Quantar Swords SynchronizerZ	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:10:00 - [3] Edited by: Sartaron on 26/09/2007 09:12:32 Edited by: Sartaron on 26/09/2007 09:11:16 Who says it has to be english? Its all mixed up.... BTW, "boni" is the latin plural form of bonus, i think
Mithfindel Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:27:00 - [4] When English loans directly a word from another language, in this case from Latin, it is within the rules of the grammar to use the native plural of the word. That said, there are difference between American English and British English, with American English naturally simplifying the words more, and does have the tendency to move faster to the English way of pluralizing. However, both forms of forming the plural are correct, though on relatively little-used words the native plural is recommended.
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:34:00 - [5] Virus Plurals -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
Kermis Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:45:00 - [6] English isn't my native language, but in dutch, it does work like that. I always thought it also did in english. Might be difference between American english and Brittish? Color/Colour?
Antiquus Altercor Minmatar Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:59:00 - [7] The plural of radius is radii. The plural of fungus is fungi. Virii is correct and is used frequently, usually by acedemics or other nerdy types. Bonii is a stretch.
Raekone	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Kermis English isn't my native language, but in dutch, it does work like that. I always thought it also did in english. Might be difference between American english and Brittish? Color/Colour? Read the wiki link further up. Not only does it not work like that in english, but it doesn't even work like that in latin itself. It's just a misconception that's spread itself among people who want to seem, but clearly are not, linguistically savvy (educated, basically)
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Raekone Originally by: Kermis English isn't my native language, but in dutch, it does work like that. I always thought it also did in english. Might be difference between American english and Brittish? Color/Colour? Read the wiki link further up. Not only does it not work like that in english, but it doesn't even work like that in latin itself. It's just a misconception that's spread itself among people who want to seem, but clearly are not, linguistically savvy (educated, basically) your ,,',grammar,''',, is absolutely,',,'' atrocious'',,,,
Marcus Starr Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:15:00 - [10] Bona is the correct plural form of bonus

zilllii Squirrel Power	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:17:00 - [11] Quote: Thus the plural virii is that of the nonexistent word virius. The form viri would also be incorrect in Latin. The ending -i is normally used for masculine or feminine nouns, not neuter ones such as virus; moreover, viri (albeit with a short i in the first syllable) is the plural of vir, and means "men." -------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Love the new need for speed initiative. Pilots involved in a fleet battle can post on the forum and get a reply about wha
Raekone	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Bimjo Originally by: Raekone Originally by: Kermis English isn't my native language, but in dutch, it does work like that. I always thought it also did in english. Might be difference between American english and Brittish? Color/Colour? Read the wiki link further up. Not only does it not work like that in english, but it doesn't even work like that in latin itself. It's just a misconception that's spread itself among people who want to seem, but clearly are not, linguistically savvy (educated, basically) your ,,',grammar,''',, is absolutely,',,'' atrocious'',,,, What do you mean? Am I using too many commas for your liking?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:18:00 - [13] Plural of Virus Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Barthezz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:29:00 - [14] If you thought that was bad, I personally get really annoyed when someone tries me to sell something for 50kk ... Whats that, 50k or 50m or 50 isk kk ? (kk was used a lot in daoc by the spanish community, bit like ok, but different ) --- Dev's give us a lag-update!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:30:00 - [15] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 26/09/2007 10:31:43 The only part of EVE that is remotely English(UK) is the location where they store the calculation boxes. No race in EVE is even relatively close to the English, the developer is icelandic, the playerbase not that dominantly UK, and so forth. Heck, why don't you leave that "you ain't writing it right'ish!" attitude at the door. UK isn't the "king of the world" it thinks it is, and to be fairly honest, scandic nations rarely even give a hoot about that little cottage island By the way, we don't like the "grammar polii" here My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
KHEN New Horizons	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:42:00 - [16] One school bus, two school bii The Social Impact of EVE ? Originally by: Nyphur I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
Kolatha	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Antiquus Altercor Virii is correct and is used frequently, usually by acedemics or other nerdy types. Virii is never used by academics, at least not ones who want to keep their jobs. "Virii" has its origins primarily in the uneducated masses of the internet who mistakenly believe that because virus ends with "us" its plural must end with an i. The double i (virii, bonii) most likely comes from people seeing that the plural of radius is radii. Bonus is a case similar to virus in that its latin origin is a form that does not have a plural. For the most part our use of the word bonus is similar to the use in latin origins, where bonus typically means good (latin use of bonus). In cases where the word needs to be pluralised in English, cases where we use the word to mean something in addition, (eg: "They recieved their pay bonuses in small increments")we are using the word bonus in a different manner to the latin roots of the word and thus should follow the English form of pluralising, primarily because there is no latin plural form of the word bonus, by adding "es" to the end of the word.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:53:00 - [18] So what does one say when multiple Dominix BSs show up? Dominixes? Dominii? Dominixii? Uhoh? ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:54:00 - [19] Since back in roman age when someoen stil spoke latin humanity did not know viruses (or neither type :P ) why in hell would be a Latin plurarl for virus? If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Minigarch	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Barthezz If you thought that was bad, I personally get really annoyed when someone tries me to sell something for 50kk ... Whats that, 50k or 50m or 50 isk kk ? (kk was used a lot in daoc by the spanish community, bit like ok, but different ) It's because a lot of languages have "Million" for 110^^6 and "Milliard" (instead of "Billion" in English) for 110^^9. So M is somewhat ambigous symbol and it is hard to say which order was meant. That's why quite a few people use k kk *** instead of k M B.

Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:58:00 - [21] Edited by: Banana Torres on 26/09/2007 10:59:01 Did anyone else see the programme on BBC 1, "Search for the next Elvis" where they were trying to find the best Elvis tribute act? The presenter, Vernon Kay, used Elvi as the plural of Elvis. Now, I only mention this cause it was on the Beeb. If it was ITV then it wouldn't count. But this was the British Broadcasting Corporation, the guardian of all things middle class. So if it ok for the Beeb, it is ok for me. Anyway, I'll collect together examples of boni usage, pop them over to the OED and hopefully they will put the rubber stamp on its usage and anal geeks can stop fretting.
Mitsuni Abashadoni Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:58:00 - [22] So many playii cannot be wrong, thus it is right.
Kimi Caldari Scorpious Industrial	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Flesh Eater Sorry people, though many of you may THINK that "virii" and "bonii" sound cool - neither are actually words in English. I've noticed people posting"bonii" for a while and grimaced each time I have seen it, and today, the official news item when I logged in used the "word" "virii" - for $15 a month I expect better. Neither are wut, u, m8, r, and a dozen or so other silly l33t terms, but they never seem to go away.
Scrap Brain	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:16:00 - [24] English is a highly flexible, robust, and simply-put, excellent language. Do whatever you want with it, a native english speaker will almost certainly understand ya, no matter how garbled your english is. People who pick on other's english are cretins and on the contrary to saying what they know only reveal they know jack.
Mardonius Gallente Get out of the Kitchen Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Kolatha Originally by: Antiquus Altercor Virii is correct and is used frequently, usually by acedemics or other nerdy types. Virii is never used by academics, at least not ones who want to keep their jobs. "Virii" has its origins primarily in the uneducated masses of the internet who mistakenly believe that because virus ends with "us" its plural must end with an i. The double i (virii, bonii) most likely comes from people seeing that the plural of radius is radii. Bonus is a case similar to virus in that its latin origin is a form that does not have a plural. For the most part our use of the word bonus is similar to the use in latin origins, where bonus typically means good (latin use of bonus). In cases where the word needs to be pluralised in English, cases where we use the word to mean something in addition, (eg: "They recieved their pay bonuses in small increments")we are using the word bonus in a different manner to the latin roots of the word and thus should follow the English form of pluralising, primarily because there is no latin plural form of the word bonus, by adding "es" to the end of the word. Thread won. This post is completely correct.
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Since back in roman age when someoen stil spoke latin humanity did not know viruses (or neither type :P ) why in hell would be a Latin plurarl for virus? The Latin word "virus" IIRC means "poison". From Wikipaedia: "The word virus has no classically attested plural form in Latin. In antiquity the word had not yet acquired its current meaning. It denoted something like toxicity; venom; a poisonous, deleterious, or unpleasant agent or principle; or poison in the abstract or general sense. Since virus in antiquity denoted something noncountable, it was a mass noun. Mass nouns, such as air, valor, and helpfulness in English, pluralize only under special circumstances, hence the nonexistence of plural forms." Clear as mud now, isn't it? ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Ecatherina W Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:23:00 - [27] Back in medical school - where latin was used for many things and virus was a used term - the plural of virus was vira. And yeah, I am one of those semi-educated persons who have spent 2 years studying latin to be able to learn medical terms as part of my long ago education. Viri is plural for vir (man). Virii is just a plain mistake. Bonus in plural would be boni, I believe, vide alumnus => alumni. But it has been some 20 years since I had my basic latin exams. *** Ecatherina W *** Empress of the Multiverse DGAF Newbie Guide to Everything Eve
Inapropriate Conduct	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 26/09/2007 10:31:43 The only part of EVE that is remotely English(UK) is the location where they store the calculation boxes. No race in EVE is even relatively close to the English, the developer is icelandic, the playerbase not that dominantly UK, and so forth. Heck, why don't you leave that "you ain't writing it right'ish!" attitude at the door. UK isn't the "king of the world" it thinks it is, and to be fairly honest, scandic nations rarely even give a hoot about that little cottage island By the way, we don't like the "grammar polii" here IDK about that, the Saxons seemed to really like England (Germanic/Scandic same thing).
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Sartaron BTW, "boni" is the latin plural form of bonus, i think Like most Latin nouns, 'bonus' has several plural forms; one for each case. Depending on the context, the correct one could be boni, bonos, bonorum, or bonis. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Inapropriate Conduct IDK about that, the Saxons seemed to really like England (Germanic/Scandic same thing). True, true. IT's not a matter of disliking, or having angered feelings towards the UK. More of a, "we actually don't care that much what happens around there", if you know what i mean My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.



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