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Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.27 02:18:00 - [1] Edited by: Valandril on 27/09/2007 02:19:15 I dare you to beat my deimos setup, who can do it gets a 6 pack of best polish beer ! Must be solo setup so web, scram and mwd in mids, no faction/officer/deadspace/whateverelse modules, only t1 and t2 (tho faction ammo allowed). Set for perfect skills (got them trained anyway :P) So here is my setup i would like you to beat Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Some data: 705dps with cn antimatter, 718 with void, 30k hp, 1,7km/s, guns and mwd/repper almost permament with nos. And yes, those are dps rigs, u need hybrid weapon rigging lvl4 or it won't fit. Now start brainstorming, beer is cooling =) --- Battlecarriers !
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.27 02:31:00 - [2] Maybe this ? Nah... _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.27 02:37:00 - [3] It is ok as long as u got station to dock or carrier to refit avialable between fights, lack of even offlined repper nerf it from everything else. --- Battlecarriers !
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.27 02:55:00 - [4] Swap the med NOS for a remote armor rep, fly duo ? _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 04:33:00 - [5] 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 5x Heavy Neutron Blaster II [empty high slot] Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Burst Aerator II 782.2 DPS, 38,889 effective HP. I think with some implants you could stuff something in that last high slot, but as is you are pretty much out of everything to fit this.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.09.27 06:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 27/09/2007 02:19:15 I dare you to beat my deimos setup, who can do it gets a 6 pack of best polish beer ! Must be solo setup so web, scram and mwd in mids, no faction/officer/deadspace/whateverelse modules, only t1 and t2 (tho faction ammo allowed). Set for perfect skills (got them trained anyway :P) So here is my setup i would like you to beat Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Some data: 705dps with cn antimatter, 718 with void, 30k hp, 1,7km/s, guns and mwd/repper almost permament with nos. And yes, those are dps rigs, u need hybrid weapon rigging lvl4 or it won't fit. Now start brainstorming, beer is cooling =) are you sure those numbers are right? the dps seems way to high considering its electrons you use
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.27 06:33:00 - [7] 5x Hammerhead II almost certainly included into the mix, I'd say. _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Ishtar1 Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:18:00 - [8] Edited by: Ishtar1 on 27/09/2007 07:21:19 my personal setup is electron T2 x4 Ion x1 MWD Dis Web SAR 2 1600 RT plate EANM EANM MFS 2xtrimark rigs (change out one EANM for a MFS when you want) with EANM 572 DPS with 58k effective hp and if flying in gangs you will most likly be primary so make sure you have a few remote reps in gang and you can soke up alot of DPS with 2nd MFS you get 653 DPS with 48k effective HP
Original Species	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:33:00 - [9] No Prob, please meet me anywhere near the GW, even rens....Ill be flying a Pilgrim.........
Dreadpilot Roberts SCARFACES	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 27/09/2007 02:19:15 I dare you to beat my deimos setup, who can do it gets a 6 pack of best polish beer ! Must be solo setup so web, scram and mwd in mids, no faction/officer/deadspace/whateverelse modules, only t1 and t2 (tho faction ammo allowed). Set for perfect skills (got them trained anyway :P) So here is my setup i would like you to beat Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Some data: 705dps with cn antimatter, 718 with void, 30k hp, 1,7km/s, guns and mwd/repper almost permament with nos. And yes, those are dps rigs, u need hybrid weapon rigging lvl4 or it won't fit. Now start brainstorming, beer is cooling =) you cant hit that dps with electrons !!!
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Lord MuffloN on 27/09/2007 07:42:02 5xHeavy Neut Warp Disrupt II Fleeting web T2 10mn MWD DCU II MFS IIx3 Armor Explosive Hardner II MAR II 10% PG rig, armor exp RIG or other rig of your choise, probably CCC is a good alternative 5xHammerhead II or med ECM drones I've yet to lose this ship and I've killed some mean stuff in it now.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:58:00 - [12] I dont fly gallente ships but looking at the cap use of guns/mwd i would personally go with 2x cap extender rigs for 30 ish % more total cap and recharge instead of 10% more DPS. i suck
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Original Species No Prob, please meet me anywhere near the GW, even rens....Ill be flying a Pilgrim.........Your cap will last about 20 seconds.... My setup... Highs: 3 x diminshing, cov ops II Mids: ABII, Fleeting web, ScrammII, Large shield BoosterII, Cap injector (800) LOWS: therm,kinetic,explosive hardner II's, Dual Mar II RIGS: Nanobot accelerator X2 Sucks 1040 every 30 seconds (100% NOS) Tanks 448 DPS, Ganks 315 dps with OgreII x2, HMII x2, HGII x1.......... So what are you gonna do, run the double tank until you are out of cap so you can start to nos him? At which point your EW fails (and he warps) or your hardeners shut down, he still has cap and tears you a new one... If you start injecting then you can't nos him (hes gonna be under your cap %), and his DPS will still tear you a new one. Plus all he has to do is let his drone attack yours and your dps is gone forever. You did get one part right: Originally by: Original Species My setup...Sucks ..........
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Sokratesz I dont fly gallente ships but looking at the cap use of guns/mwd i would personally go with 2x cap extender rigs for 30 ish % more total cap and recharge instead of 10% more DPS. Why? All these setups can run their guns and EW permanently without issues, with the MWD off. You don't need more cap.
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts you cant hit that dps with electrons !!! Yes, you can. It does include 5 Hammerhear IIs though.
Original Species	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Original Species on 27/09/2007 08:14:12 Edited by: Original Species on 27/09/2007 08:12:51 Originally by: Gor Kraon Originally by: Original Species No Prob, please meet me anywhere near the GW, even rens....Ill be flying a Pilgrim.........Your cap will last about 20 seconds.... My setup... Highs: 3 x diminshing, cov ops II Mids: ABII, Fleeting web, ScrammII, Large shield BoosterII, Cap injector (800) LOWS: therm,kinetic,explosive hardner II's, Dual Mar II RIGS: Nanobot accelerator X2 Sucks 1040 every 30 seconds (100% NOS) Tanks 448 DPS, Ganks 315 dps with OgreII x2, HMII x2, HGII x1.......... So what are you gonna do, run the double tank until you are out of cap so you can start to nos him? At which point your EW fails (and he warps) or your hardeners shut down, he still has cap and tears you a new one... If you start injecting then you can't nos him (hes gonna be under your cap %), and his DPS will still tear you a new one. Plus all he has to do is let his drone attack yours and your dps is gone forever. You did get one part right: Originally by: Original Species My setup...Sucks .......... Damn Goon Pets... that setup lasts exactly 36 seconds b4 I cap out and take 1040 of his cap with me, THEN I USE A CAP BOOSTER at which point he is out of cap....From nos and his own cap usage... Its not as if my nos feeds him cap, he will cap out in less then a minute, at which point I may or may not deploy my drones, might just ransom his helpless azz........................
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Gor Kraon Originally by: Sokratesz I dont fly gallente ships but looking at the cap use of guns/mwd i would personally go with 2x cap extender rigs for 30 ish % more total cap and recharge instead of 10% more DPS. Why? All these setups can run their guns and EW permanently without issues, with the MWD off. You don't need more cap. Oh ok i didnt knew the recharge was that good. i suck
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Original Species that setup lasts exactly 36 seconds b4 I cap out and take 1040 of his cap with me, THEN I USE A CAP BOOSTER at which point he is out of cap....From nos and his own cap usage... In 36 seconds you will receive 28152 damage from my setup, your setup doesn't even have half that in effective HP. Even with 3 HP boosters, one which is nearly comedy value, you can't stop the bleeding. In under 36 seconds you will be dead.
Dreadpilot Roberts SCARFACES	Posted - 2007.09.27 09:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Gor Kraon Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts you cant hit that dps with electrons !!! Yes, you can. It does include 5 Hammerhear IIs though. No u cant. And stop correcting ppl if u dont have a clue about dps calculations. ( And 550 dps its tops that it can hit with electrons, drones included, so zip it ) Uhm ... deimos kinda sux if its not nanoed cuz it cant tank. Yeah its a "good" gang ship but any decent fleet commander will call the deimoses out primary :) cuz they break in a matter of a few seconds ( mostly die to alpha - not even time to rep ) and the enemy gang/blob loses 500-650 dps :) simple P.S. Although the setups with 800/1600mm plates are a tougher nut to ***** and in blob confusion there's a good chance he will be able to warp-out as soon as he takes a hit, cuz he wont die to alpha that easily now.
Dreadpilot Roberts SCARFACES	Posted - 2007.09.27 09:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Original Species Edited by: Original Species on 27/09/2007 08:14:12 Edited by: Original Species on 27/09/2007 08:12:51 Originally by: Gor Kraon Originally by: Original Species No Prob, please meet me anywhere near the GW, even rens....Ill be flying a Pilgrim.........Your cap will last about 20 seconds.... My setup... Highs: 3 x diminshing, cov ops II Mids: ABII, Fleeting web, ScrammII, Large shield BoosterII, Cap injector (800) LOWS: therm,kinetic,explosive hardner II's, Dual Mar II RIGS: Nanobot accelerator X2 Sucks 1040 every 30 seconds (100% NOS) Tanks 448 DPS, Ganks 315 dps with OgreII x2, HMII x2, HGII x1.......... So what are you gonna do, run the double tank until you are out of cap so you can start to nos him? At which point your EW fails (and he warps) or your hardeners shut down, he still has cap and tears you a new one... If you start injecting then you can't nos him (hes gonna be under your cap %), and his DPS will still tear you a new one. Plus all he has to do is let his drone attack yours and your dps is gone forever. You did get one part right: Originally by: Original Species My setup...Sucks .......... Damn Goon Pets... that setup lasts exactly 36 seconds b4 I cap out and take 1040 of his cap with me, THEN I USE A CAP BOOSTER at which point he is out of cap....From nos and his own cap usage... Its not as if my nos feeds him cap, he will cap out in less then a minute, at which point I may or may not deploy my drones, might just ransom his helpless azz........................ The RA guy has one thing right ... your setup kinda sux. But try this - 3 x medium unstable neut. fire them once and u have succesfully alpha-neuted a deimos' cap yeah ... that's how bad it sux at reliability. There's no aspect in which the deimos is good other than massive damage, and some speed ...
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:02:00 - [21] Originally by: ArmyOfMe are you sure those numbers are right? the dps seems way to high considering its electrons you use Numbers are 100% correct and yes, this include 5 t2 hammerheads. If u don't think theyr right, do math on your own but don't forget about dps rigs :] Lord MuffloN: Your setup would be good, but it lack hp and is not sustainable at all, u will cap out after 1-2 minutes and got nothing to get more cap. Ishtar1: Your setup got pretty nice buffer tank, and proetty ok dps and so far ur closes one to win :D Tho none of this setups buy me, so beer still waiting =) --- Battlecarriers !
Original Species	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Gor Kraon Originally by: Original Species that setup lasts exactly 36 seconds b4 I cap out and take 1040 of his cap with me, THEN I USE A CAP BOOSTER at which point he is out of cap....From nos and his own cap usage... In 36 seconds you will receive 28152 damage from my setup, your setup doesn't even have half that in effective HP. Even with 3 HP boosters, one which is nearly comedy value, you can't stop the bleeding. In under 36 seconds you will be dead. Your high right ? Your dps is vs UNTANKED HULL...Your dps is more like 205 dps until you hit untanked hull.
Dreadpilot Roberts SCARFACES	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:30:00 - [23] Edited by: Dreadpilot Roberts on 27/09/2007 10:30:56 Originally by: Valandril Originally by: ArmyOfMe are you sure those numbers are right? the dps seems way to high considering its electrons you use Numbers are 100% correct and yes, this include 5 t2 hammerheads. If u don't think theyr right, do math on your own but don't forget about dps rigs :] Lord MuffloN: Your setup would be good, but it lack hp and is not sustainable at all, u will cap out after 1-2 minutes and got nothing to get more cap. Ishtar1: Your setup got pretty nice buffer tank, and proetty ok dps and so far ur closes one to win :D Tho none of this setups buy me, so beer still waiting =) zomg stop using quickfit for setups Rig bonus actually stacks with MFS The max u can get out of Deimos on electrons with all relevant skills to 5 drone skills at 5, and damage implants is 600 dps with anti-matter. And I doubt u have those above
Mecozimspy Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts Edited by: Dreadpilot Roberts on 27/09/2007 10:30:56 Originally by: Valandril Originally by: ArmyOfMe are you sure those numbers are right? the dps seems way to high considering its electrons you use Numbers are 100% correct and yes, this include 5 t2 hammerheads. If u don't think theyr right, do math on your own but don't forget about dps rigs :] Lord MuffloN: Your setup would be good, but it lack hp and is not sustainable at all, u will cap out after 1-2 minutes and got nothing to get more cap. Ishtar1: Your setup got pretty nice buffer tank, and proetty ok dps and so far ur closes one to win :D Tho none of this setups buy me, so beer still waiting =) zomg stop using quickfit for setups Rig bonus actually stacks with MFS The max u can get out of Deimos on electrons with all relevant skills to 5 drone skills at 5, and damage implants is 600 dps with anti-matter. And I doubt u have those above Lol start using brain .
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:35:00 - [25] Stupid forum --- Battlecarriers !
Mamarto Minmatar Dead Pirates' Society	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:05:00 - [26] I foresee a problem with your setup! Mostly that it doesn't fit, but also that you actually get less DPS than what you calculated.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: ArmyOfMe are you sure those numbers are right? the dps seems way to high considering its electrons you use Numbers are 100% correct and yes, this include 5 t2 hammerheads. If u don't think theyr right, do math on your own but don't forget about dps rigs :] Use EFT...it will save you alot of face. I hear it's alot more accurate than quickfit! "The thing always happens that you really believe in; and the belief in a thing makes it happen" - Frank Loyd Wright
Barthezz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Original Species Your high right ? Your dps is vs UNTANKED HULL...Your dps is more like 205 dps until you hit untanked hull. Actually he's talking about your effective HP vs his 'effective' DPS, if he can (unresisted) do 28000 damage to you in 36 seconds, you need (unresisted) at least 28001 HP to survive those 36 seconds. The amount of resists with the actual HP make up the effective HP (see EFT for effective HP), if you want you could even setup EFT so it displays effective HP to the deimos' damage. With that said, I think its very unlikely that a Deimos could kill a proper (tm) setup pilgrim. As I say that I think your NOS pilgrim (post-nerf) would most likely die to a gank-deimos if he got within 5km of you. If you manage to stay at 8-10km (or even out of web range) , you'll win. Depends a bit on player skill and luck. Having flown a Deimos for a bit, I actually think its tank isnt half bad but it needs a cap booster to run it. WTB Deimos with 4 mids, guess I have to fly a brutix --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
Taka Caldari Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:02:00 - [29] forget the deimos...and get a harbinger :P 746dps cud probably get 800+ dps if i used some energy weapon rigs + 5% RoF implant
True Ace Gallente Invicta. Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:54:00 - [30] Ill take a ***** at it. Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardner II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Mircowarpdrive Fleeting Propulsion Inhibtor I Warp Scambler II Heavy Electron II x5 Small Dimishing Power System Drain I Accillary Current Router Trimark Armor Pump 1 54,247 effective hp and 572 dps with void and 5 hammerhead 2s. personally idd use 5 ecm drones and use implants to get more dps. Goes 1521 m/s.
MMoroz Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 27/09/2007 02:19:15 I dare you to beat my deimos setup, who can do it gets a 6 pack of best polish beer ! .... I can`t belive noone ask it yet, but what do you mean by best polish beer?? Some ****ty tyskie,zywiec etc. things that beside name have nothing in common with real beer. I demand explanation!!! And be cautious cause this things are not jokes, it is not some stupid game this BEER we talking about
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Original Species Your high right ? Your dps is vs UNTANKED HULL...Your dps is more like 205 dps until you hit untanked hull. No, he is going to gank the **** out of you. Your pilgrim will vaporize.

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