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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.27 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Madrosynth on 27/09/2007 21:41:40
My "people" disgust me.
My "people" have abandoned God's will for Terrorism and Debt Slavery.
I speak to those Minmatar that would presume to "free" slaves from a life of purposeful servitude. What benefit does a freed slave receive? The right to live in squalor far from the only life they have ever known? Or even better - the right to align themselves with terrorist scum who cloak themselves in the title "freedom fighter" as they spirit other hapless Minmatar away to an existence void of purpose?
I speak from experience - I am a "freed" slave. Taken from the life that God willed me to lead in an act of senseless violence that left my Master and many of my fellow slaves dead. Shipped unceremoniously to some far-flung starbase and left with others of my kind to rot as a pauper. And I am one of the lucky ones! My life as a slave at least afforded me some skills that are considered useful in this cold existence my "saviors" were so generous to give me. My former Master was a spacefaring Amarr. I was purchased from a plantation at a young age and allowed to train as a pilot in order to better serve my Master's needs. I served for many years as one of his Slave Guard, and happily.
Now, by the grace of God and my Slain Master, I am able to eke out a meager existence that the majority of my "freed" brethren could only dream of.
Thank you, my Terrorist saviors, for the sweet gift you call freedom.
May God have mercy on you all.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:15:00 -
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You should do a duet with Laebtrovo, you'd make an excellent stand up act together.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:23:00 -
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I don't know who freed you, Madrosynth, but that's certainly not how we operate. Education is a huge part of it - open education in any field they wish.
We never dump people off anywhere without knowing they have somewhere to go.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Robert Kauliford
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Kauliford on 27/09/2007 22:24:47
Stand up implies comedy and believe me Mr Verone there is nothing funny about saving souls.
Mr Madrosynth it is clear you are a more enlightened individual than many who inhabit this section of Galnet. Please do not cease you activities due to the badgering of a few benighted individuals who cannot see the path there choices will lead them.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Robert Kauliford
...saving souls.
... and therein lies the punch line.
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:36:00 -
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heh funny some people's definition of freedom. Did you choose to serve that amaar as a pilot? Could ya have just left if ya felt like it?
Nope.
That's why it's called slavery man. Guess it must be hard now you got real freedom..you don't know what to do with it.
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Robert Kauliford
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:37:00 -
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Okay so there was the one time.
Whilst suffering a core overload due to incoming fire I sent one of my slaves in to recalibrate the cooling mechanism. Unforunately he suffered extensive burn damage to his hands and the light burned out his retinas. So he finishes the recalibration and wanders back to the door. he then trys to activate the door but he can't see and can't feel so he ends up just pressing the lightswitch on and off. The sight of him just switching the lights on and off just made me chuckle.
On a more serious note he managed to save my ship and my life so I'm sure he earned his place in heaven.
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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:41:00 -
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No amount of terrorist heckling could even begin to scratch the surface of the injustice I've suffered at the hands of these misguided ideologues.
Evanda - I hope I was not misleading - I was given a place to go, alright. A hovel in a starsystem I'd never heard of, surrounded by suffering.
I'm sure your organization is different, though. I'm sure you take great pains to ASK the slaves you free whether they are in need of saving before you raid their homes and steal them away.
Perhaps you set them up with an interview - some Gallente megacorporation or Terrorist rabble that would show them the value of their freedom by paying them just enough to stand on the edge of starvation. And the price of this wonderful emancipation? A life devoid of purpose and a head full of memories of the violence and loss you inflicted in order to "save" them.
How could we possibly thank you enough?
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Robert Kauliford
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:41:00 -
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On another serious note many Matari, such as yourself, who have realised the ignorance that so many that inahbit the tribal lands possess choose to serve God through helping the Mandate.
If you choose this path then contact my Lord Scagga Laebtrovo and I'm sure you'd be welcomed as a brother into the ranks of Delictum.
If you fell your path leads in a different direction I understand but I hope you do not renounce your beliefs.
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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.27 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sen Goku
heh funny some people's definition of freedom. Did you choose to serve that amaar as a pilot? Could ya have just left if ya felt like it?
Nope.
That's why it's called slavery man. Guess it must be hard now you got real freedom..you don't know what to do with it.
It is of no real consequence, but yes. I was a pilot. Had I the inclination to leave, I could have.
I served my master at the will of God, something I'm certain you would never understand.
And as for "real freedom", I've gotten a big mouthful of it. Would that I could spit it out.
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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.27 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Kauliford
On another serious note many Matari, such as yourself, who have realised the ignorance that so many that inahbit the tribal lands possess choose to serve God through helping the Mandate.
If you choose this path then contact my Lord Scagga Laebtrovo and I'm sure you'd be welcomed as a brother into the ranks of Delictum.
If you fell your path leads in a different direction I understand but I hope you do not renounce your beliefs.
I would need to speak with Mr. Laebtrovo at length as well as other members of your organization before ever considering joining. I'm sure you understand my deep skepticism. I mean no disrespect. It would seem, at least, that you are a man of God.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.09.27 23:37:00 -
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If you don't want to be able to make your own choices, you can always go and beg an Amarr to take you as a slave. There is no need to cry about it.
You are free to choose, you have the choice to stay that way and think and decide for yourself (notice: Life may be hard, but in the end your abilities will decide your well being), or choose that you want someone else to choose for you and go to the Amarr and enslave yourself willingly.
If you cry about you being freed, it looks like you are not able to make it on your own.
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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
If you don't want to be able to make your own choices, you can always go and beg an Amarr to take you as a slave. There is no need to cry about it.
You are free to choose, you have the choice to stay that way and think and decide for yourself (notice: Life may be hard, but in the end your abilities will decide your well being), or choose that you want someone else to choose for you and go to the Amarr and enslave yourself willingly.
If you cry about you being freed, it looks like you are not able to make it on your own.
Amazing! The answer was so simple - staring me in the face all this time! I should just load myself into a shuttle and fly directly into the heart of the empire, open a comm channel and shout "RE-ENSLAVE ME PLEASE" over and over! Brilliant!
You do not deserve a correction, but your flippant ignorance demands one. Allow me to explain my situation.
When a slave disappears after his master's untimely death said slave is marked by the Empire as an outlaw. Yes, even if said slave was "freed" against his will. The penalty for unlawful escape is death.
Perhaps now you understand why your response is laughable. Returning to the Empire at this point would be tantamount to suicide on my part. While there may be other channels open to me in the future should I wish to return to a life of service within the Empire, I assure you they will have nothing to do with your asinine suggestions.
If I might be so bold as to offer some advice to a man so obviously wise as you - the next time you feel the need to chime in on a subject you couldn't possibly know anything about, think better of it.
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Charsi Manalee
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Charsi Manalee on 28/09/2007 00:04:43
Edited by: Charsi Manalee on 28/09/2007 00:04:07
If I might comment on this interesting discussion.
To a degree, I can relate to Madrosynth. I was born into a very large, very wealthy family. I was given everything I ever owned, whether I liked it or not. I was enslaved by the power of my last name, by my family's reputation, by my own talents and physical beauty that they were keenly aware of. I was enslaved by gifts, guilt-tripped and coerced into a career path that I did my best to enjoy.
It was something that I was very good at; acting and modeling. My natural talents lent me to it, and it was not only lucrative, it brought me fame and adoration from millions of people who hardly knew me as a person. I was an icon. I was loved. I was a planetside sensation and role model for young women. Yet I always felt isolated, despite being constantly surrounded by people who claimed to simply adore me.
I was a slave to luxury and fame. I was enslaved by a sense of duty towards all those who admired and looked up to me, to all those who enjoyed my films and performances, who wore the clothes I had on in the advertisements. I simply couldn't let them down, could I?
I was a slave to everyone that knew me, yet there were no chains, and no malicious intent on anyone's behalf. Yet I was miserable to my core.
How can this relate to you? I'm not sure. I was not liberated, like you. I chose my freedom, I chose to disappoint and escape for the sake of my own happiness (and sanity.) It was my effort, my courage, and my own desire to discover myself that brought me to the solitary, space-faring life. I am happier now, if not still adjusting to life in the void.
We are rarely happy with a fate chosen for us by others, I think. A sense of self is important to exist properly. Mutal respect, even between masters and "slaves", is important. You were fortunate, Madrosynth, to have had a life in servitude that you could find purpose in. How can you be so certain that every Matari was so lucky? You can't.
And so, slavery discourages those made victims to it from ever truly finding satisfaction in what they do.
I might go back to Synchelle someday and make a reappearance. I did not hate everything about my existence there at all - I was passionate about my work. But I had never had a chance to find myself in the midst of it all, as I was too busy worrying about how I might serve others.
Are we alike at all? Am I being relevant? I'm not sure what else to say, other than I hope you find something you truly enjoy doing, and simply do it. Choose a corporation and serve it as best you can. Show loyalty to those who you deem worthy of it. The only difference now is that you get to choose your master.
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Charsi Thorne
Mademoiselle Essence
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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:21:00 -
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I see some parallels between us, Charsi, however faint they may be. It is a fair assumption that some slaves appreciate being freed. I don't doubt that the Empire is home to many cruel masters. My Master was capable of exceptional cruelty at times.
One thing I have discovered is that life - this "free" life that I have been forced into is filled to the brim with cruel masters. No thought is given to this fact by the Terrorists so bent on "freeing" the Matari people. They are incapable of fathoming that a Matari like myself exists - one who served at the will of God despite the cruelties inflicted upon me. They cannot fathom this, but I assure you, I exist. Along with many other "freed" slaves who share my views on this matter. I live among many.
Do their compassionate motives excuse the evil that they bring upon people like myself? Does their smug self-satisfaction mend the grievous wounds they have inflicted on repsected Amarians like my late Master?
I think not, Charsi.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:31:00 -
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So who hired you? Was it Badji Bihabnir, Ms Hadizes or good ol' treacherous Sin Callor.
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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
So who hired you? Was it Badji Bihabnir, Ms Hadizes or good ol' treacherous Sin Callor.
Really simplifies things when you dismiss me as some political mouthpiece, doesn't it? Saves you from having to consider the things I say.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 28/09/2007 00:42:57
Originally by: Madrosynth
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
So who hired you? Was it Badji Bihabnir, Ms Hadizes or good ol' treacherous Sin Callor.
Really simplifies things when you dismiss me as some political mouthpiece, doesn't it? Saves you from having to consider the things I say.
I don't think Meb really considers the ramblings of a brainwashed halfwit either way, she has more sense than that.
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Madrosynth
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I don't think Meb really considers the ramblings of a brainwashed halfwit either way, she has more sense than that.
she considered my brainwashed, halfwitted ramblings long enough to concoct a brilliant theory as to my true motives. And it truly was brilliant.
I'm sure she appreciates the support, Mr. Verone.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Madrosynth
Originally by: Verone
I don't think Meb really considers the ramblings of a brainwashed halfwit either way, she has more sense than that.
she considered my brainwashed, halfwitted ramblings long enough to concoct a brilliant theory as to my true motives. And it truly was brilliant.
I'm sure she appreciates the support, Mr. Verone.
Theory?
Mockery, more like. Hence my point.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.28 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Mockery, more like.
You know me too well. 
Sadly for this poor wretch, he has no understanding of what proper slavery is. Were I to keep slaves, they'd be kept far from other humans and certainly out of a pod.
Were I to keep slaves...
Balas Bang Bang? |
Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.28 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Verone
Mockery, more like.
You know me too well.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.09.28 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Madrosynth
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
If you don't want to be able to make your own choices, you can always go and beg an Amarr to take you as a slave. There is no need to cry about it.
You are free to choose, you have the choice to stay that way and think and decide for yourself (notice: Life may be hard, but in the end your abilities will decide your well being), or choose that you want someone else to choose for you and go to the Amarr and enslave yourself willingly.
If you cry about you being freed, it looks like you are not able to make it on your own.
Amazing! The answer was so simple - staring me in the face all this time! I should just load myself into a shuttle and fly directly into the heart of the empire, open a comm channel and shout "RE-ENSLAVE ME PLEASE" over and over! Brilliant!
You do not deserve a correction, but your flippant ignorance demands one. Allow me to explain my situation.
When a slave disappears after his master's untimely death said slave is marked by the Empire as an outlaw. Yes, even if said slave was "freed" against his will. The penalty for unlawful escape is death.
Perhaps now you understand why your response is laughable. Returning to the Empire at this point would be tantamount to suicide on my part. While there may be other channels open to me in the future should I wish to return to a life of service within the Empire, I assure you they will have nothing to do with your asinine suggestions.
If I might be so bold as to offer some advice to a man so obviously wise as you - the next time you feel the need to chime in on a subject you couldn't possibly know anything about, think better of it.
I presented you choices Minmatar. Obviously what you want is a slap on the face to remember the old days.
I would suggest again to go to Amarr Empire controlled space. Your death will do you a favor, realize that you have to be on your own. After all you can't really die as a pod pilot.
I had thought of it before i answer genius.
The hate you receive is not because you are freed but because you are obviously weak to take your fate in your hands.
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Ash'el
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.28 01:52:00 -
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It is good that you have found God Madrosynth. It seems your old master taught you well. Do not let the unfaithful heretics and blasphemers ruin your resolve and your faith in God.
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Charsi Manalee
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.28 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Madrosynth
I see some parallels between us, Charsi, however faint they may be. It is a fair assumption that some slaves appreciate being freed. I don't doubt that the Empire is home to many cruel masters. My Master was capable of exceptional cruelty at times.
One thing I have discovered is that life - this "free" life that I have been forced into is filled to the brim with cruel masters. No thought is given to this fact by the Terrorists so bent on "freeing" the Matari people. They are incapable of fathoming that a Matari like myself exists - one who served at the will of God despite the cruelties inflicted upon me. They cannot fathom this, but I assure you, I exist. Along with many other "freed" slaves who share my views on this matter. I live among many.
Do their compassionate motives excuse the evil that they bring upon people like myself? Does their smug self-satisfaction mend the grievous wounds they have inflicted on repsected Amarians like my late Master?
I think not, Charsi.
As different as I'm sure our minds are, I think we can both consider ourselves prime examples a simple fact; some of the greatest misery can be inflicted on an individual by another's good intentions.
Wisdom is required in everything, and even being overtly altruistic demands a degree of precaution.
The slavery debate is simple, and my stance will remain fairly solid. I believe deciding how much respect or opportunity a person has based upon heritage is wrong. Wrong not just in a deep, moral sense, but wrong in a logical sense. The Caldari, I believe, would simply call slavery "innefficient and incorrect".
Ego is a potent poison that can ruin whole societies, and Amarr is a shining example of this.
As for the "free" life being filled to the brim with cruel masters, you will find that when you master yourself, worthy individuals begin to take note. You've known nothing but secure servitude your entire life, just like I've known natural gravity, huge crowds and luxury my entire life. Freedom is as foreign to you as the emptiness of space is to me.
Try not to regret so much, and try instead to adapt. I mean that as respectfully as possible, Monsieur Madrosynth.
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Charsi Manalee-Thorne
Mademoiselle Synchelle |
Ash'el
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.28 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Charsi Manalee
Ego is a potent poison that can ruin whole societies, and Amarr is a shining example of this.
Amarr is not ruined Charsi. Only your perception of Amarr has been poisoned.
Your ego though...has no boundaries it seems and has poisoned your very soul.
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Charsi Manalee
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.28 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Charsi Manalee on 28/09/2007 03:29:16
Originally by: Ash'el
Originally by: Charsi Manalee
Ego is a potent poison that can ruin whole societies, and Amarr is a shining example of this.
Amarr is not ruined Charsi. Only your perception of Amarr has been poisoned.
Your ego though...has no boundaries it seems and has poisoned your very soul.
I have never personally witnessed more hate and spite from a culture. The vast majority of Amarrians don't even make an attempt at being humble or respectful to other human beings. When you believe that you are a superior being, when in fact you are just as human as anyone else, you are what's commonly known as delusional.
Delusional people are dangerous.
I don't presume to be better than you or Madrosynth or anyone else. I simply comment upon what I see and experience with as much clarity as possible.
You don't know me. All you know is that I've made an attempt to respectfully and genuinely relate to someone who is dissatisfied with what they've been forced into by others.
So how can you call me egotistical or poisoned based on this information? You've passed supreme judgement, calling me debauched to the core (or, poisoned to my very soul) based on nothing but your prejudice.
Amarr is not what it was, and while I don't live there personally, I doubt it's getting any better as far as moving in the direction of constructing a society that actually functions with reason, wisdom and efficiency.
Then again, what society truly does without flaw? None that I can think of. My own people, the Gallente, suffer their own delusions at times.
The only thing that matters to me, personally, is respect and honesty.
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Charsi Manalee-Thorne
Mademoiselle Synchelle |
Shern
Minmatar
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:01:00 -
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Madrosyth,
Many matari believe in and follow God, no matter what some of the rebels say and we Ammatar need to stick together, as we've many enemies.
Slavery should be about teaching and noble service. It sounds like you had a good Master. I know that there is normally a death sentence for runaway slaves. But mercy can be and has been shown to some runaways. There is always a way back for you. As Rob said, I urge you to speak to my lord Scagga or any of the other pilots in Delictum.
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Ash'el
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.28 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Charsi Manalee
Ego is a potent poison that can ruin whole societies, and Amarr is a shining example of this.
The one dealing out ôsupreme judgmentsö is in fact you Charsi. Read your above statement. If you want to judge all Amarrians than so be it, though in return, be prepared to be judged yourself.
Originally by: Charsi Manalee
So how can you call me egotistical or poisoned based on this information? You've passed supreme judgement, calling me debauched to the core (or, poisoned to my very soul) based on nothing but your prejudice.
Is this your first public communication here Charsi? No it is not. I have seen numerous statements made by you else where. My judgement of you is not important though.
God's judgement is.
Originally by: Charsi Manalee
Amarr is not what it was, and while I don't live there personally, I doubt it's getting any better as far as moving in the direction of constructing a society that actually functions with reason, wisdom and efficiency.
Once again another ôsupreme judgementö made by you. You claim to have never lived in the Amarr Empire yet you fling your judgments at us based on what? Prejudices perhaps?
Please tell me how Amarr is not what it was? What were we before now Charsi?
Am I to sit here idly and watch you call all of Amarr a poisoned society ruined by Egoism? Am I to sit idly and watch you say Amarr is not what it was and itÆs not getting any better when you havenÆt even lived in the Amarr Empire? Am I to sit here idly and watch you say Amarrians canÆt function with reason, wisdom, and efficiency when all I see is your hypocrisy and your prejudices?
I think not.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.09.28 09:02:00 -
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Who let this man roam without going through the re-education programme first? It is clear he is brainwashed.
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