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Rachael McNasty
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:37:00 -
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I am an old player just returning to Eve. I just created this character with an emphasis on drones. I plan on running missions for awhile until I can fly command ships. I have a couple of questions that a few of you might be able to answer for me.
1) Since I am running missions to put money in my pocket, should I pass up training Battlecruisers and just train Battleships so I can run Level 4 missions and then train the skills required for command ships when my support skills have caught up (t2 heavy drones ect.).
2) Should I aim for an Astarte before an Eos since I am sure that by the time I have Cruiser 5 and BC 5 I will already have the skills required to fly an Astarte before an Eos, since the Eos has some odd skills required to fly it.
3) Would I be able to use an Eos effectively without t2 medium guns? Just want to know if it is possible to effectively use the Eos without maxed out gun skills, but I will have excellent drone skills.
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enymphia
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.09.27 23:13:00 -
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2) Should I aim for an Astarte before an Eos since I am sure that by the time I have Cruiser 5 and BC 5 I will already have the skills required to fly an Astarte before an Eos, since the Eos has some odd skills required to fly it.
its like 15days from astarte to eos and thats not much imo, so its up to you
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.27 23:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Rachael McNasty
I am an old player just returning to Eve. I just created this character with an emphasis on drones. I plan on running missions for awhile until I can fly command ships. I have a couple of questions that a few of you might be able to answer for me.
1) Since I am running missions to put money in my pocket, should I pass up training Battlecruisers and just train Battleships so I can run Level 4 missions and then train the skills required for command ships when my support skills have caught up (t2 heavy drones ect.).
2) Should I aim for an Astarte before an Eos since I am sure that by the time I have Cruiser 5 and BC 5 I will already have the skills required to fly an Astarte before an Eos, since the Eos has some odd skills required to fly it.
3) Would I be able to use an Eos effectively without t2 medium guns? Just want to know if it is possible to effectively use the Eos without maxed out gun skills, but I will have excellent drone skills.
1) Without very high skill points, a battleship is probably better for level 4s. In anycase, a well fitted Raven is faster through level 4s then any CS any time. So if you are planning on mission running and specilizing in that respect, you should consider training caldari - or - wait untill the mission running BBs come out in Rev III.
2) You will be qqualified to fly the Astarte before the EoS first unless you train Logistics to 4 before you get CS 1 - which will allow you to fly both ships at the same time. The Astarte however does beg for good gunnery skills, and it would be in your interest to fit guns on her. But the Astarte, makes for a touchy mission runner, I am sure it can be done, but its not efficient for sure - you picked a very PvP race, the Astarte is a fantastic PvP ship, she is not a very good PvE ship however.
3) Definitions of 'effective' differ - personlally, I like to see railguns on the EoS, but I suppose a Neut/NoS/Gangmod/remote energy, armor transfer setup in the highs could work. . .its really up to you. But it does not take that long to spec medium guns since its the big guns that add another 2 months to your training.
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Rachael McNasty
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:03:00 -
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Ty for the info. I do not plan on using either one for missions since I would probably use a Dominix for that. Guess when the time comes I will train for them and just use both. Medium t2 guns is not that time intensive as compared to t2 heavies.
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Galen Silas
Gallente
Lucky Hydra Corp
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.02 18:06:00 -
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All depending how hard your missions are, you can use either Gallente Command Ship for missions, The Eos might be a little more effective due to being able to field its drones and use guns, plus it has a hardier tank than the Astarte, but in most cases a BS is necessary.
From what I have experienced from both, for PVP i prefer the Astarte, it's fun, actually has a good tank, and can deal some really good damage. It can also be used for a solo killing ship quite easily.
The Eos is quite obviously more for your small gang to fleet warfare, but it can also deal a nice amount of DPS, while fielding a very strong tank, plus it has more EW capabilities.
You might want to train to use tech2 Medium guns, to effectively use the Eos, without it doesn't have that nice damage output like the Astarte so you want as good as you can get, you don't need max skills in gunnery however, there nice to have but not needed. Plus your going to need tech2 guns to get great potential out of your Astarte. 
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haniblecter
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Posted - 2007.10.02 18:41:00 -
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You have no idea how far ahead you're looking. I passed two years this august and I only last june got into my Eos confidently and as of one week ago got a mindlink in my head.
An eos/astarte is a long fricking ways away for you. What you should do is hammer level 2's out until you get enough for a Dominix, or, if you can run lvl3's before you've saved up the ISK, get a myrmidon.
Training up t2 drones is the priority, and something I did early on. But doing that + command ships is waay ****in far off, because you have to train up all the tanking, flying, etc skills. Its craziness.
So, reduce your goals to a dominix (preferred) or myrmidon (if you're sick of your vexor)
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MEGA KILL
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Posted - 2007.10.03 03:31:00 -
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...here is my 25 Cents :)
GO ASTARTE !!! it has monster damage
forget the EOS, its not as good as it seems :(
unless you wish to use it as logistics and gang support ship, it sucks
EOS has low DMG bonus and NO FALLOFF range bonus to turrets, those are essential for a good blaster boat as you need to hit targets hard and at 0-25 km range.
The large drone capacity of the EOS is very attractive but with no drone hit points bonus, drone DPS is low and ineffective compared to Ishtar, Myrm and Domi.
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LeMoose
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.03 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: MEGA KILL
...here is my 25 Cents :)
GO ASTARTE !!! it has monster damage
forget the EOS, its not as good as it seems :(
unless you wish to use it as logistics and gang support ship, it sucks
EOS has low DMG bonus and NO FALLOFF range bonus to turrets, those are essential for a good blaster boat as you need to hit targets hard and at 0-25 km range.
The large drone capacity of the EOS is very attractive but with no drone hit points bonus, drone DPS is low and ineffective compared to Ishtar, Myrm and Domi.
lol, eos is much better than an astarte, just more sp intensive and quite frankly not as fun
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aquontium
Gallente
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.10.03 05:36:00 -
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Hi Rachael,
I'd say, in answer to your questions:
1a) Yeah, I'd just do the Domi or Raven for that.
1b) The astarte is a lot of fun. I'd get into that quickly by training support skills - go to BS3 or so and then do support skills for it, T1 heavies would probably be fine for the short term alongside T2 mediums in gallente and minmatar spec.
2) Yes because you'll have to be in there first anyhow - the Eos has exactly the same skills + logistics IV really
3) Yes, but you may not want to. You may prefer an Astarte with T2 blasters and T1 drones, then work on drone skills. 1000+ dps is nice :)
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Warble Warble
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Posted - 2007.10.03 05:39:00 -
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u ppl know about the eos a lot rite?? i need help plz with my eos setup k check it here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=606631 lol i dunno if its good or not plz help ty
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.10.03 07:12:00 -
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Eos is about to be spanked, so Astarte is a safer bet.
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MEGA KILL
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: LeMoose
lol, eos is much better than an astarte, just more sp intensive and quite frankly not as fun[/quote
When you make a statement, you also need to support it by some kind of an explication.
As you can see my view of the EOS was explained and supported by facts!
...simply saying EOS is better because I fly it isn't much. WHY IS IT BETTER ? that is the point of this debate so please explain.
...and YES I also fly both of them and YES I also have lots of skills.
NOOB 
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.04 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: MEGA KILL
Originally by: LeMoose
lol, eos is much better than an astarte, just more sp intensive and quite frankly not as fun[/quote
When you make a statement, you also need to support it by some kind of an explication.
As you can see my view of the EOS was explained and supported by facts!
...simply saying EOS is better because I fly it isn't much. WHY IS IT BETTER ? that is the point of this debate so please explain.
...and YES I also fly both of them and YES I also have lots of skills.
NOOB
No, all you have is a lot of ePeen. However, you do lack intelligence and the ability to write beyond a 2'nd grade level.
And funny enough, you need to support your statements too.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:25:00 -
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Train all the relevant skills and get Both.
Job done.
Justice 
PS I have both and they perform differnetly indeed with Astarte being able to dish out huge damage but the Eos can withstand more punishemnt.
It's the same difference between Deimos and Ishtar to a certain extent but both ships are still great to have.
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa
But the Astarte, makes for a touchy mission runner, I am sure it can be done, but its not efficient for sure - you picked a very PvP race, the Astarte is a fantastic PvP ship, she is not a very good PvE ship however.
Wrong  I spent about 2 months running missions in my astarte. Fitted with 250 rails, an AB, one web, a single med rep and hards / damage mods, it's pretty damn good.
And that was pre-rigs.
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Bridget Mery
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:34:00 -
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Just a side note, with CS level 4 the Eos with t2 heavies is going to be doing more DPS than an Astarte... :P
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MEGA KILL
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Acoco Osiris
Originally by: MEGA KILL
Originally by: LeMoose
lol, eos is much better than an astarte, just more sp intensive and quite frankly not as fun[/quote
When you make a statement, you also need to support it by some kind of an explication.
As you can see my view of the EOS was explained and supported by facts!
...simply saying EOS is better because I fly it isn't much. WHY IS IT BETTER ? that is the point of this debate so please explain.
...and YES I also fly both of them and YES I also have lots of skills.
NOOB
No, all you have is a lot of ePeen. However, you do lack intelligence and the ability to write beyond a 2'nd grade level.
And funny enough, you need to support your statements too.
you really think that? am I so bad?
oh, I feel down now it must be depression
...can you maybe give me some advice on how to do better in my life and be more like you pls, pls
otherwise I have no reason to live 
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:51:00 -
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Can you lamers fix your font size, please.
Who says the Eos is getting nerfed? The drone changes may actually help the Eos by removing the drone bay size bonus and putting a real drone bonus on it. It may result in a reduction in the turrets, but hey, big deal.
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