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AliasXNeo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.01 18:58:00 -
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I'm looking for a good 0.0 Hulk setup that can survive rats (long enough to warp out anyways) but still mine good. Ultimately I would like to be able to tank the rats, but seing as I have never tried before I have no idea of that's even possible. I also need to know what to use in terms of drones. Are there drones that can handle most of the rat spawns?
Finally, I have about 300mil to spend on the ship + the setup, so about 200mil on the setup. So the setup has to fall around that price range. Thanks in advance :) ------------------------------ ~ Eve Online API Programmer ~ - Evewebspace Developer - Like my stuff? Donate to Neo XX!
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.01 19:47:00 -
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Well, your gonna need more than 200 mil I'd say. But here:
3x T2 Strips with Crystals
1x gistii a-type small shield booster 1x shield boost amp II 1x Hardener II
1x Mining Upgrade 1x Dmg Control II
2x Hardener Rigs
With skills this should fit I believe, if not just do some switching around. Can also drop the boost for another hardener, and put a pg rig in. --
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onepunch mareK
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Posted - 2007.10.01 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis Well, your gonna need more than 200 mil I'd say. But here:
3x T2 Strips with Crystals
1x gistii a-type small shield booster 1x shield boost amp II 1x Hardener II
1x Mining Upgrade 1x Dmg Control II
2x Hardener Rigs
With skills this should fit I believe, if not just do some switching around. Can also drop the boost for another hardener, and put a pg rig in.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.01 21:54:00 -
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Yeah, most Hulks fit Gistii A-type small shield booster, EM hardener/resist array, a boost amplifier or something, and a cap recharger for their tank. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
Amantus
Gallente Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.01 22:02:00 -
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This is what I use:
3x Strips II
1x Gistii A-type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat-specific hardeners II 1x True Sansha Cap recharger
1x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Mining Laser Upgrade II
2x Rat-specific shield resist rigs.
That setup is fine if you're facing rats that only do 2 damage types, but if you're trying to tank angels (which do all 4 damage types), you'll need to go with 2x invulns II (Dread Guristas if you've got the ISK) and therm and EM shield rigs.
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AliasXNeo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.01 22:20:00 -
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Thanks for the setups, but I did put the 200mil price range in for a reason. I need a build that fits around that price range. Telling me I need more ISK and then giving a 500mil setup doesn't help me at all. Once I get down to 0.0 and start making ISK, then yes maybe those setups might help, but as of right now their useless. So can anyone post a build that FITS around that price range? I doubt it's impossible, surely something can work out. ------------------------------ ~ Eve Online API Programmer ~ - Evewebspace Developer - Like my stuff? Donate to Neo XX!
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.01 22:30:00 -
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Surely you can just mine the living **** outta highsec belts till you have enough ISK for the faction fittings? ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
AliasXNeo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.01 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: AliasXNeo on 01/10/2007 23:29:37
Originally by: Acoco Osiris Surely you can just mine the living **** outta highsec belts till you have enough ISK for the faction fittings?
My question is if it's truly impossible to mine 0.0 sec without faction gear. Thing is my corp wants this hulk down in 0.0 (as we really need it) and before I say no, I would like to make sure it would be otherwise impossible until these faction parts can be paid for. ------------------------------ ~ Eve Online API Programmer ~ - Evewebspace Developer - Like my stuff? Donate to Neo XX!
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.01 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: AliasXNeo Edited by: AliasXNeo on 01/10/2007 23:29:37
Originally by: Acoco Osiris Surely you can just mine the living **** outta highsec belts till you have enough ISK for the faction fittings?
My question is if it's truly impossible to mine 0.0 sec without faction gear. Thing is my corp wants this hulk down in 0.0 (as we really need it) and before I say no, I would like to make sure it would be otherwise impossible until these faction parts can be paid for.
If you look around you will see lots of other people in space with you. get one of them to tank the spawns if you can't.
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Arii Smith
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.01 23:40:00 -
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Have one of your corp mates rat while you mine...
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Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.02 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arii Smith Have one of your corp mates rat while you mine...
If you pay me 5% of your ISK earnings from mining, I will rat the pesky NPCs away. :)
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.02 00:52:00 -
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Yeah, if you're group mining, just get one of your buddies to rat and carry a remote shield Xfer. Simple as that. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
skippah jonsen
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Posted - 2007.10.02 01:46:00 -
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The alternative is T2 gear, but those require higher skills. I'm still new to hulks, and am quite impressed by their ability to tank... although try out on some smaller rats first i'd say.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.02 01:48:00 -
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To answer bluntly Id say no, cannot be done without a faction booster. --
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Sara Finn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards
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Posted - 2007.10.02 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sara Finn on 02/10/2007 13:38:15 Here's the setup that I use, and it should fit your price range (I think this cost me around 160 Million or so, including the actual ship and the Mining Crystals II):
High: 3x Modulated Strip Miner II's Mid: 1x Small Sheild Booster II, 2x Passive Shield Resists I's (rat specific), 1x Cap Charger II Low: 1x Mining Laser Upgrade II, 1x Damage Control I Drones: 5x Mining Drone II, 3x Hornet II, 2x Warrior II
I can tank 4 BC's without fleeing (although it's tight and I have to turn off my miners to run the tank), but haven't tried to tank any BS's. It takes a while for the drones to kill the rats, but the lights seem to do as well as the mediums, and you get to keep your miners. Lights are much faster too, so if you decide to run 1/2 way through a battle, the lights will get back to your bay before you get to warp (usually).
The reason for the mix of the Tech 1 and Tech 2 is that my shield skills are pathetic (I am Amarr afterall) and my Mining Upgrade skill is only at 4. With a few more skill levels, you could probably run active hardeners or get Tech 2 equipment.
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Serotta Ortot
Equilibrium Inc. FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.10.02 14:07:00 -
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Read the Halada Mining Guide. Very good info. Based my setup on it (tanking Angels).
High: 3 x MSM II's with whatever crystals
Mid: 1 x Gistii A-type Small Shieldbooster (it's the glue in most of the 0.0 setups) 1 x Domination Expl Amp (chosen for low cpu use) 1 x Domination Kinetic Amp (cpu use) 1 x Cap Recharger Tech II
Low: 2 x Expanded Cargohold II
Rigs: 2 x Cargohold Optimization I
Drones: 5 x Valkyrie II's
Went for cargo over yield. Gives about 17100m3 with my mining character's current skills. With a dedicated hauler, you can fit MLU's in low instead. Unfortunately the rigs and Gistii SB will push your setup over your set budget
That said, I usually rat with this character in the same system, but above setup tanks double Angel War General's (800k bounty) fine. Just pick off the small stuff with your drones.
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Sara Finn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards
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Posted - 2007.10.02 21:23:00 -
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Just a quick update:
The above setup that I posted was able to tank a 650k ISK Battleship while mining (my strippers were staggered). It was able to tank the BS for a good 9 minutes until someone came along and helped me destroy it. My light T2 drones were having major problems breaking the BS's tank. |
Hehulk
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.03 08:17:00 -
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Edited by: Hehulk on 03/10/2007 08:19:01 If your corpmates need you in 0.0, and you can't afford it, get them to loan you some isk and use this:
Highs: 3 X Modulated Strip Miner II
Mids: 1 X Pithi Small Shield Booster 2 X Dread Gurista Active Hardeners 1 X Faction Cap Recharger
Lows: 2 X Mining Laser Upgrade I (I've not checked to see if t2s can fit with this yet, apparently they can though)
Rigs: 2 X Capacitor Control Circuit
That'll tank anything going, and you can make your isk hand over fist to pay people back.
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Shinhan
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.03 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Serotta Ortot Read the Halada Mining Guide. Very good info. Based my setup on it (tanking Angels).
High: 3 x MSM II's with whatever crystals
Mid: 1 x Gistii A-type Small Shieldbooster (it's the glue in most of the 0.0 setups) 1 x Domination Expl Amp (chosen for low cpu use) 1 x Domination Kinetic Amp (cpu use) 1 x Cap Recharger Tech II
Low: 2 x Expanded Cargohold II
Rigs: 2 x Cargohold Optimization I
Drones: 5 x Valkyrie II's
Went for cargo over yield. Gives about 17100m3 with my mining character's current skills. With a dedicated hauler, you can fit MLU's in low instead. Unfortunately the rigs and Gistii SB will push your setup over your set budget
That said, I usually rat with this character in the same system, but above setup tanks double Angel War General's (800k bounty) fine. Just pick off the small stuff with your drones.
If you are going max cargo, you dont *need* Gistii booster. You could then fit either Small Shield Booster II or any Gistii/Pith booster. (With Pith-A giving best shield rep). Just dont fit faction boosters, they eat too much cap (and since you are using cargo rigs you dont have CCCs). Also, with same setup, you can get t2 hardeners.
Regarding OP, Since are you so oposed to buying Gistii-A small shield booster you will have to compromise with MLU's. Here's a suggestion after playing with EFT:
2* MLU I Eutectic cap recharger 2* named shield hardeners 1* named small shield booster (t2 is only shield booster that needs 3 MW, others eat 2 MW) 3* MSM II with Ark crystals 2* CCC (if you have 5/5 cap skills you could go with only 1*CCC) Of course, by not using Gistii shield booster you will cut your defense significantly. With C5-L booster and named kin/therm hardeners you can get up to 116 defense versus Serpentis rats. Same setup with Gistii-A would get you 179 defense. (Exact numbers are not as important as the fact that Gistii is 50% better) You might also consider using Medium Shield drones instead of combat drones... but then you wont be able to pop the scram rats. Decisions, decisions...
2) Alternative: Drop one MLU and replace the other with MLU II. Fit Shield Flux Coil II (or Shield Power Relay in which case you *must* have 5/5 cap skills and 2 CCC) This would raise defense to 125.
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AliasXNeo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.05 05:10:00 -
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Thanks for all the builds, been helpful. I have decided to stay in high sec until I can pay for a good 0.0 build. What's a good high sec build since I won't really have to worry about defenses? ------------------------------ ~ Eve Online API Programmer ~ - Evewebspace Developer - Like my stuff? Donate to Neo XX!
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Cilvius Sanctus
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:48:00 -
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This is my highsec Hulk setup
3x MSM2 with crystals Nothing in mediums (don't know of anything really useful to go here) 2x MLU I
5x Hammerhead Is in the drone bay.
Easily tanks anything I've come across the high sec. I have honestly never put the drones away to just let the rats peck away at me, but I'm fairly confident I could just sit there and tank it if I needed to. You could always just target the rat and send your drones at it. But you wont have to worry about a rat popping your Hulk.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 11:30:00 -
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Fit a survey scanner for highsec, and probably like a small T1 shield booster or something, give you something of a tank.
Otherwise, MLUs for max yield, cargo expanders for semi-AFK. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
Stefan F
Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.05 11:57:00 -
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if you are willing to run without mining laser upgrades you can tank most belts with this kind of setup:
lows: damage control II power diag II
med small SB II 2x shield boost amp II cap recharger
If you are not cap stable switch the dmg control for a second power diag. I can run this one without CCC rigs, but if you want to use high end crystals like bistot/arkonor you really should put in 2 of those because you need the cap for the crystals. I can tank 2xbs+2xbc fine in this tank, with only a few mil of fitting.
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Tao Min
Interstellar Excavations Dark Matter Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:51:00 -
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Hey AliasXNeo,
imho you should move out to 0.0 asap, at least to mine. If you are not able to finace a tanking Hulk rightaway, use a Dominix for a start. You should easily be able to make more money with a Dominix in 0.0 then with a Hulk in High Sec.
About you question with what drones you would need to handle the rats. Well thatŠs easy, you just donŠt kill the rats at all. At least where I live you donŠt get new spawns when there is already one spawn desperatly trying to break your tank. So you might be able to start mining with a Hulk earlier then you think in 0.0. Just pick a belt with a small spawn like 2 BC and 2 CR to start with and get a feeling what you can tank.
Generally Hulks are able to tank whatever spawns imho.
Here is what I use atm:
Hulk
Modulated Strip Miner II [1xArkonor Mining Crystal II] Modulated Strip Miner II [1xArkonor Mining Crystal II] Modulated Strip Miner II [1xArkonor Mining Crystal II]
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade I Carpo Mining Laser Upgrade I
Rigs: Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Even with the listed Arkonor II crystals you have the tank running 23/7. I need the Invul instead of single resi hardeners since the drone rats in my area tend to do an annoying mix of all damage types.
My yield is pretty spectacular, if only the high end mineral prices wouldnŠt suck that much atm. ;)
Anyway, get out of High Sec asap and start making money with mining. :)
Fly safe, Tao
P.S.: WTB 2nd Aoede MLU, convo me!
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Erodmos
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Posted - 2007.10.05 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: AliasXNeo Edited by: AliasXNeo on 01/10/2007 23:29:37 My question is if it's truly impossible to mine 0.0 sec without faction gear. Thing is my corp wants this hulk down in 0.0 (as we really need it) and before I say no, I would like to make sure it would be otherwise impossible until these faction parts can be paid for.
Sure it is possible! Maybe it depends a bit on which NPCs region you are moving. For serpentis you can go out with very cheap equipment. I use a small C5 shield booster (less fitting + same HP boost per sec because of faster cycle time compared to t2) and 3x passive shield hardeners. I tested it 1st with active hardeners, but i was running in cap trubles rather fast with it. In lows i use mining laser upgrades .. maybe you could use some tank like modes here too.
For tanking, the real problems spawns are the lowish mixed BC/cruiser spawns. This ones have rather high demage output combined with tracking abilitys to really hit the hulk. But warping out should be no problem at all with it.
Erodmos
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AliasXNeo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.06 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tao Min Hey AliasXNeo,
imho you should move out to 0.0 asap, at least to mine. If you are not able to finace a tanking Hulk rightaway, use a Dominix for a start. You should easily be able to make more money with a Dominix in 0.0 then with a Hulk in High Sec.
About you question with what drones you would need to handle the rats. Well thatŠs easy, you just donŠt kill the rats at all. At least where I live you donŠt get new spawns when there is already one spawn desperatly trying to break your tank. So you might be able to start mining with a Hulk earlier then you think in 0.0. Just pick a belt with a small spawn like 2 BC and 2 CR to start with and get a feeling what you can tank.
Generally Hulks are able to tank whatever spawns imho.
Here is what I use atm:
Hulk
Modulated Strip Miner II [1xArkonor Mining Crystal II] Modulated Strip Miner II [1xArkonor Mining Crystal II] Modulated Strip Miner II [1xArkonor Mining Crystal II]
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade I Carpo Mining Laser Upgrade I
Rigs: Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Even with the listed Arkonor II crystals you have the tank running 23/7. I need the Invul instead of single resi hardeners since the drone rats in my area tend to do an annoying mix of all damage types.
My yield is pretty spectacular, if only the high end mineral prices wouldnŠt suck that much atm. ;)
Anyway, get out of High Sec asap and start making money with mining. :)
Fly safe, Tao
P.S.: WTB 2nd Aoede MLU, convo me!
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Vim
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.06 03:24:00 -
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If you do have a couple of guys mining in barges and your hulk is set to be the 'tanker' stuff it with t1 hardeners in the mids, a CRII possibly.
And then have your dear friends carry shield repair drones. Go in, get aggro, friends warpin lock you, put shield maint bots on you. Voila, no worries, no faction gear, teamwork. /* Whats a guy got to do to get a smile off around here */ |
AliasXNeo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.06 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vim If you do have a couple of guys mining in barges and your hulk is set to be the 'tanker' stuff it with t1 hardeners in the mids, a CRII possibly.
And then have your dear friends carry shield repair drones. Go in, get aggro, friends warpin lock you, put shield maint bots on you. Voila, no worries, no faction gear, teamwork.
And the off chance that I'm solo mining with a buddy driving a hauler? That's why I want this build :p ------------------------------ ~ Eve Online API Programmer ~ - Evewebspace Developer - Like my stuff? Donate to Neo XX!
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Bytales
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Posted - 2007.10.06 08:52:00 -
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Where can u obtain: 1 X Pithi Small Shield Booster 2 X Dread Gurista Active Hardeners ??
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.06 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bytales Edited by: Bytales on 06/10/2007 08:58:08 Where can u obtain: 1 X Pithi Small Shield Booster 2 X Dread Gurista Active Hardeners ??
And one more queston: How can u be sure u won't be destroyed by a player ship, and all u're 200 million will go to waste !
A: By killing Pithii (Guristas) rats OR buying off a contract (much more likely buy it, since you'd have to spend weeks if not months trying to get these two specific items to drop) B: By killing Dread Guristas rats or buying off a contract C: You just have to be paraniod, pre-align, keep your scanner open, check local, mine in an empty, out-of-the-way system, and even then you're not guaranteed safety. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
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