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Aykido Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2007.10.01 19:35:00 - [1] with a month or two to go till Rev 3 and T2 Battleships. Would it be possible to seed the skill for building them before the patch, especially if either of the versions requires Battleship construction 5. This will be a rank 8 skill, no? Selling PERFECT PRINTS of every seeded T1 BPO: modules, rigs, drones, ammo and ships (4 ships missing), and most capital modules too! Selling any INVENTED T2 BPC by order! Can build also!
Ittey Whiskey Tango Foxtrot	Posted - 2007.10.02 03:07:00 - [2] I read this and laughed. Then I got very sad. Because we all know it will never happen. Best we can hope for is a correct guess on the prereqs at this point. ---------------------------------------------- My invention guide: here

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:11:00 - [3] Unfortunately that requires us to do a static patch, however I will not be putting lvl 5 requirement on the tech 2 bs so should be only a week or so lead time before people are ready to produce the ships. Enough time for invention to get the supply kicked of.

Aykido Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2007.10.02 12:11:00 - [4] Thank you for that So cruiser construction IV is the only prereq? Selling PERFECT PRINTS of every seeded T1 BPO: modules, rigs, drones, ammo and ships (4 ships missing), and most capital modules too! Selling any INVENTED T2 BPC by order! Can build also!
Phoenix Pryde Caldari 3-I Area 42	Posted - 2007.10.02 12:40:00 - [5] Edited by: Phoenix Pryde on 02/10/2007 12:42:25 Battleship Construction V would be perfectly fine ... its not any T2 ships after all, but Battleships. :P If somebody isnt willing to skill a good month or so to make T2 BS he isnt serious about it anyway. P.S.: production and also T2 production only needs ridiciously little skills anyway compared to other things in EVE ... TRUST sales management
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.10.02 15:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Phoenix Pryde Edited by: Phoenix Pryde on 02/10/2007 12:42:25 Battleship Construction V would be perfectly fine ... its not any T2 ships after all, but Battleships. :P If somebody isnt willing to skill a good month or so to make T2 BS he isnt serious about it anyway. P.S.: production and also T2 production only needs ridiciously little skills anyway compared to other things in EVE ... Ridiculously low skill requirements? I'll sorta agree with you there. However, CCP wouldn't have made it BS Construction V anyway. Assuming it is a Rank 8 skill, it would take about 33 days for even the most specialized characters to get that to V. It would take me almost 35 days from start to finish. People don't want to wait 35 days for me to train and then another 2-3 for the build job itself for their new shinies to even hit the market. Depriving them 6 days while the builders train BS Construction IV (which I assume the req will be) is going to be bad enough on the impatient types. -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Ittey Whiskey Tango Foxtrot	Posted - 2007.10.02 19:44:00 - [7] Thanks for the dev response Chronotis, that is very good information. Originally by: Aykido Thank you for that So cruiser construction IV is the only prereq? I think he means we will only need battleship construction at 4 instead of 5. Cruiser contruction 5 will likely be the prereq for bs construction however. ---------------------------------------------- My invention guide: here
Liam Money Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.03 02:51:00 - [8] Why would cruiser 5 necessarily be in the scenerio? You don't need frigate level 5 to train the cruiser construcion skill, nor is it necessary to make hacs. Also you don't need frigate construction 5 to build command ships either. So why wouldn't the req's be frig 4, cruiser 4, BS 4?? Saving BS 5 for T3 ships.
Ittey Whiskey Tango Foxtrot	Posted - 2007.10.03 03:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Liam Money Why would cruiser 5 necessarily be in the scenerio? You don't need frigate level 5 to train the cruiser construcion skill, nor is it necessary to make hacs. Also you don't need frigate construction 5 to build command ships either. So why wouldn't the req's be frig 4, cruiser 4, BS 4?? Saving BS 5 for T3 ships. Because I am a nubbin and got my prereqs confused. Your right, cruiser construction 4 makes the most sense. ---------------------------------------------- My invention guide: here
Benvie	Posted - 2007.10.03 04:42:00 - [10] Knowing the required level of Cruiser construction would be fantastic. I wouldn't want to be caught with the patch coming out and have 18 days of training required just to get level 5 done.

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.10.03 10:26:00 - [11] cruiser construction IV is the pre-req, the tech 2 bs will require battleship construction IV.

Phoenix Pryde Caldari 3-I Area 42	Posted - 2007.10.03 11:23:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Chronotis cruiser construction IV is the pre-req, the tech 2 bs will require battleship construction IV. And you really think thats a steep enough requirement for production of T2 BS? As in ... to produce the most advanced conventional (non-capital) ship there is in Eve? Lets see, training up a production alt (with the right attribs, and some implants right away) takes about what, a 2 months. Then has has Industry V, Prod. Eff. V, Mass Prod. V, Adv. Mass Prod IV. Meaning he can make all T1 and run 10 slots. To make T2 BS he just needs about a good month more. Mechanic V, Frigate Constr. V, Cruiser Constr. IV and finally Battleship Constr. IV. So its a good 3 months or so to get an alt ready to produce T2 BS with 10 slots in parallel. Producing the pinnacle of conventional ships ... hhmm .. and thats supposed to be balanced in any way with the skilltimes of other professions ? P.S: dont nail me on exact skilltimes, thats a rough estimate, but cant be that far off :P TRUST sales management
El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.10.03 11:49:00 - [13] You either need to work with someone or get the invention skills up too. And if you don't want to buy the t2 components off the market another couple of science skills, but only to 3. And another research alt, because these component bpos need the skills at 5 to research. It's small bits, but it adds up. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
Naxie	Posted - 2007.10.03 12:22:00 - [14] Does this mean there is going to be big demand for max-run copies of BS blueprints? And which BS's are getting T2 variants, is that known yet? Naxie
ShadowRat	Posted - 2007.10.03 14:19:00 - [15] Think... about bs long copy time. All reasearch will be died when ppl spam copy slots with max run BPC of bs. Anyway You dont need in ship invetntion max run BPC, better is use the decryptor. Have nice day
Naxie	Posted - 2007.10.03 14:47:00 - [16] Originally by: ShadowRat Think... about bs long copy time. All reasearch will be died when ppl spam copy slots with max run BPC of bs. Anyway You dont need in ship invetntion max run BPC, better is use the decryptor. Have nice day ShadowRat, So what will be in demand from wouldbe inventors? 1-run, 3-run, 5-run? We have some BPO's and I'm just thinking we should start trying to stockpile some bpc's ready for the rush Naxie
Eadric Storm	Posted - 2007.10.03 15:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Eadric Storm on 03/10/2007 15:39:40 So what will be in demand from wouldbe inventors? 1-run, 3-run, 5-run? The Max run for a BS BPC is a 10 run copy. That is what is going to be indemand. BC and C are 15 Run Destroyer 20 Run Frigate is 30 Run Dont forget that there are other T2 ships coming out as well.
Ol' Delsai Caldari Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.03 17:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Phoenix Pryde Originally by: CCP Chronotis cruiser construction IV is the pre-req, the tech 2 bs will require battleship construction IV. And you really think thats a steep enough requirement for production of T2 BS? Simple answer : yes ! Producing the BS will not be the hard part of the process ... The hard part will be inventing the BPC ... And by the way, what are you afraid of ? that anyone and its sister produce BS tech 2 so you can't have this pretty 200% margin you're dreaming of ? Be reassured, with the investment - in time, isk, and understanding of the game - that you need only to think about one day producing BS tech 2, there will not be a lot of people producing these little beauties in the begining.
Aykido Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2007.10.03 18:26:00 - [19] Edited by: Aykido on 03/10/2007 18:28:22 Both types of Tech 2 BSs will require BS construction IV? Will they be based on the same group (tier) of BSs? Sorta like Recon cruisers, AFs, CSs and Interceptors? In frigate and cruiser construction there is variation as to which level you need the skill depending on the type of tech 2 frigate or cruiser you want to build. "Violators" or "Black Ops" same reqs to build? Same BPC to invent from? Hope not Selling PERFECT PRINTS of every seeded T1 BPO: modules, rigs, drones, ammo and ships (4 ships missing), and most capital modules too! Selling any INVENTED T2 BPC by order! Can build also!
Vladimir Tinakin Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.10.03 19:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Aykido Edited by: Aykido on 03/10/2007 18:28:22 Both types of Tech 2 BSs will require BS construction IV? Will they be based on the same group (tier) of BSs? Sorta like Recon cruisers, AFs, CSs and Interceptors? In frigate and cruiser construction there is variation as to which level you need the skill depending on the type of tech 2 frigate or cruiser you want to build. "Violators" or "Black Ops" same reqs to build? Same BPC to invent from? Hope not Given that they have 3 ship chassis to pick from, I can say with reasonable confidence that each T1 battleship will have a distinct and unique T2 evolution. They all might not have one, but I can't see any sane reason to "double up" on a hull type. ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO Hadean Drive Yards
Benvie	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:42:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Chronotis cruiser construction IV is the pre-req, the tech 2 bs will require battleship construction IV. Thank you for giving us a heads up on the requirements. I appreciate it a lot.
Blih Nox	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:48:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Chronotis cruiser construction IV is the pre-req, the tech 2 bs will require battleship construction IV. thanks for the info. /off to swap skill from cruiser construction V
Khan Dhu Khan Dhu Research and Cloning	Posted - 2007.10.04 07:02:00 - [23] Edited by: Khan Dhu on 04/10/2007 07:03:30 I wouldn't stop training CC V - if you want to invent/build the Cruiser-hulled interdictors I'm sure you'll need CC V since the destroyer-hulled 'dictors require Frigate Construction V. Of course, that's just an assumption until those little gold bars confirm it.
Dominique Vasilkovsky Techmart Industries	Posted - 2007.10.04 12:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Blih Nox Originally by: CCP Chronotis cruiser construction IV is the pre-req, the tech 2 bs will require battleship construction IV. thanks for the info. /off to swap skill from cruiser construction V You still need cruiser contruction V for command ships. Signature approved by Eldo
Liam Money Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Khan Dhu Edited by: Khan Dhu on 04/10/2007 07:03:30 I wouldn't stop training CC V - if you want to invent/build the Cruiser-hulled interdictors I'm sure you'll need CC V since the destroyer-hulled 'dictors require Frigate Construction V. Of course, that's just an assumption until those little gold bars confirm it. The only reason that Frigate Construction V is necessary to build the interdictor is because it is a destroyer class hull, not a frigate hull, so it is a step up. The same goes for command ships that require Cruiser Construction V, as you are building on a battlecruiser hull, its a step up. If the cruiser size inderdictors are indeed cruiser hulls I can't see why CCP would make them any harder to build than the current cruiser hulls (ie Recons, Hacs, Logistics, etc.)
Khan Dhu Khan Dhu Research and Cloning	Posted - 2007.10.05 01:34:00 - [26] Well, it'd be nice to know since I'm 8d5h from finishing the skill - the only reason I'm staying with it is because I'm operating under the assumption heavy dictors will require it build-wise.
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights	Posted - 2007.10.05 03:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Originally by: Phoenix Pryde Edited by: Phoenix Pryde on 02/10/2007 12:42:25 Battleship Construction V would be perfectly fine ... its not any T2 ships after all, but Battleships. :P If somebody isnt willing to skill a good month or so to make T2 BS he isnt serious about it anyway. P.S.: production and also T2 production only needs ridiciously little skills anyway compared to other things in EVE ... Ridiculously low skill requirements? I'll sorta agree with you there. However, CCP wouldn't have made it BS Construction V anyway. Assuming it is a Rank 8 skill, it would take about 33 days for even the most specialized characters to get that to V. It would take me almost 35 days from start to finish. People don't want to wait 35 days for me to train and then another 2-3 for the build job itself for their new shinies to even hit the market. Depriving them 6 days while the builders train BS Construction IV (which I assume the req will be) is going to be bad enough on the impatient types. you got that right I WANT MY f'N KRONOS NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!! HURRY UP OR ILL TAKE MY BUSINESS ELSEWHERE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! I ♥ Cake...☼☼☼...12 Seconds
Blih Nox	Posted - 2007.10.05 12:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Khan Dhu Edited by: Khan Dhu on 04/10/2007 07:03:30 I wouldn't stop training CC V - if you want to invent/build the Cruiser-hulled interdictors I'm sure you'll need CC V since the destroyer-hulled 'dictors require Frigate Construction V. Of course, that's just an assumption until those little gold bars confirm it. You are right. I want the cruiser-hulled dictor. I hereby admit my fail and turn cruiser construction V training back on
Contralto Gallente Southern Tallen Labs	Posted - 2007.10.05 12:38:00 - [29] T2 BS require 32 Starship and 32 Mech Eng datacores, according to the invention tab on the T1 BS info. This from today on Sisi. Invention Skills are still listed as same as for BC/command ship.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.05 14:21:00 - [30] It's going to take most people longer to train Racial Starship Engineering V and ME 5 than it'll take them to train BS construction IV. As things stand, I have to choose between inventing the new interdictors or T2 BS when they're eventually released. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats

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