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clare bear	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:12:00 - [1] wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:22:00 - [2] Ever heard of sensor boosters?
Stakhanov Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:23:00 - [3] Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs Bwahahaha Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:35:00 - [4] You're doing it wrong.
clare bear	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:37:00 - [5] no ammount of sensor boosters on a bs will lock a shuttle pod or an inty.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:42:00 - [6] Originally by: clare bear no ammount of sensor boosters on a bs will lock a shuttle pod or an inty. Reread your sentence a few times, and figure out the key word that demonstrates that you're thinking on the wrong level entirely.
Ask Unbeatable Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:49:00 - [7] Instalock Bubbles Smartbombs ???!? Profit Originally by: CCP Zulupark My armory is full of smack, but this ******* profanity filter stops it all.
clare bear	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Ask Unbeatable Instalock Bubbles Smartbombs ???!? Profit no such thing as instalock! ALL locks have a time im talking about low sec so no bubbles. smartbombs are ok till a bs turns up and kills u. u need guns to camp properly ???? must mean u havent got a CLUE profit not without my changes in place
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:08:00 - [9] Originally by: clare bear Originally by: Ask Unbeatable Instalock Bubbles Smartbombs ???!? Profit no such thing as instalock! ALL locks have a time im talking about low sec so no bubbles. smartbombs are ok till a bs turns up and kills u. u need guns to camp properly ???? must mean u havent got a CLUE profit not without my changes in place Near-insta lock is possible with smaller ships. You need friends to split the gate gun fire sufficiently to use em effectively in lowsec. Gang mates are the secret to successful gatecamp. They also account for the vulnerability of smartbomb ships (though smartbomb ships don't need a lock, so they usually have enough stabs for it not to matter).
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:10:00 - [10] Since when does the big money move in shuttles and frigs? Ok we've all heard that shuttle had x manny billions in BPO but really, the isk lives in the crusiers, bc, indy and bs. You can catch those just fine. Want to catch the small stuff? Slap a Sensor Booster or two on a Hac, or a tanked cruiser.. or agress the guns early and have an interceptor do your tackeling. WTZ makes the bears feel safe. When bears feel safe they come to die. No changes needed. -Galan The answer to empire ganking
Stakhanov Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:12:00 - [11] If you're afraid of BS attacking your smartbomb ship , then camp in a mothership , cheapass Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:32:00 - [12] Oh my god. You must be the worst gatecamper in the game. You can instalock shuttles/frigs so go find out how instead of complaining on working mechanics with a stupid alt. And by the way.. WTH does WTZ have to do with this?! You are complaining about not being able to lock before people WARP AWAY while WTZ means people incoming.. Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
burning raven omen.	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:49:00 - [13] i have a better idea instead of a 5 second delay why not boost the scan res of every ship ingame to 5000? job done \o
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:56:00 - [14] Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs op. learn to play the ******* game.
Plave Okice 5hockWave Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:30:00 - [15] So you're complaining that you can't kill shuttles in your battleship? Do you see what's wrong with that picture?
Curzon Dax The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:34:00 - [16] So you're looking for a ship that can instalock and pop frigates and battleships on a lowsec gate, but can also deal with any battleships / larger gangs that show up to deal with you... Sounds like you need to invest in a mothership friend.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Curzon Dax So you're looking for a ship that can instalock and pop frigates and battleships on a lowsec gate, but can also deal with any battleships / larger gangs that show up to deal with you... Sounds like you need to invest in a mothership friend. And an alt in a Logistics to WTF instatackle the crap out of things :P Izo Azlion. ---
Kalazar Amarr Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:57:00 - [18] Or the second, much more preferable option. Stop playing EVE, go play WoW. I hear in WoW the person with the biggest sword always wins! And they can even kill the level 1 newbies! Won't that be fun? (NB: Stupid OP's receive stupid answers) ----------------------------------------------
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:00:00 - [19] Nice troll. I love pirate/griefer tears.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Vrizuh Nice troll. I love pirate/griefer tears. Having warp to zero abolished would actually help us. I believe your mistaken when you refer to tears, good sir. Izo Azlion. ---
Cpt Fina Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:29:00 - [21] Originally by: clare bear no ammount of sensor boosters on a bs will lock a shuttle pod or an inty. Sure change it, but make frigates with a couple of damagemods fitted able to solo battleships then.
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:36:00 - [22] Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs This is a joke, right ?
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Jilly Serkov Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs This is a joke, right ? You might be an alt, but your name rocks. Izo Azlion. ---
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Izo Azlion Originally by: Jilly Serkov Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs This is a joke, right ? You might be an alt, but your name rocks. Why thank-you kind sir Although quite tame judging by some names you see around - think curtains and beef ...
mallina Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.02 12:22:00 - [25] CCP wanted shuttles/frigs/blockade runners to be nigh-invincible in low-sec, and that's what happened. I don't like it either, but I doubt whining about it is going to change anything. ---
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 12:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Jilly Serkov Originally by: Izo Azlion Originally by: Jilly Serkov Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs This is a joke, right ? You might be an alt, but your name rocks. Why thank-you kind sir Although quite tame judging by some names you see around - think curtains and beef ... Could be worse. Could be Bwat Tags. Izo Azlion. ---
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2007.10.02 13:04:00 - [27] SMART BOMBS. And if a battleship shows up - have your buddy gun him down. Or was this a solo gate camp you're trying to run? Please self destruct yourself...now. ______________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
B1G DAVE Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 13:19:00 - [28] That is all. ___________________________________________ ✖ Our Home, Our Corp, Our VETO ✖
Ch'ryl Caldari Wasabi Inc	Posted - 2007.10.02 13:22:00 - [29] Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs Translation: Pirating isn't easy enough. No one should be able to get away from me. I should be able to sit there and kill anything that comes near. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah If they took away WTZ people would just go back to making 0km BMs so you'd still be in the same boat. Gate camping is pirating on EZ mode to start with, for carebear pirates who want reward for no risk. Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure?
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.02 13:53:00 - [30] BS ISN'T A SOLOPWNMOBILE you can't pretend to have a base scan resolution of an executioner just because shuttles and frigates are planned to do insta-warps. also, Quote: no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs unless you're carrying BPOs (quite ********, TBH) there aren't so much things that can fint into a 10m3-shuttle-sized cargohold, they were planned that way :\| after reading this, i would be really gratefull to you if you would please STOP ASKING NO-SENSE NERFS ----------------------------------------------- Forum Warfare - Rank (4) - Level V Forum Warfare Specialist - Rank (9) - Level III Armor Flame Compensation - Rank (5) - Level IV
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:02:00 - [31] In lowsec gate camps, you need to use ships other than battleships (duh!) for tackling A squadron of three or so double sensor boosted battlecruisers will be able to lay on enough scram points quickly enough to catch even blockade runners. As soon as your camp hits critical mass (6 or so ships) you can bring along a single pilot in an interceptor. Ensure that all other pilots on the gate have aggression then sit the inty on the gate. The interceptor pilot must show restraint and attack only those ships that no-one else can tackle.With all the other ships drawing sentry fire the interceptor can hold his target long enough for your other ships to get points on. Once the inty has aggression have him sitting just off from the gate (an AU or so) aligned towards it. As soon as your scout (you do have a scout, right?) sees something coming your battlecruisers can't tackle, send in the inty. Once again the other friendlies on the gate should be drawing fire allowing the inty to do his thing. If you want to catch the tough targets don't just get a bigger ship then come on eve-o and whine...try working as a team with intelligent setups designed to complement each other.
Exlegion KnightRaven Research KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 15:40:00 - [32] Edited by: Exlegion on 02/10/2007 15:41:50 Originally by: clare bear no such thing as instalock! ALL locks have a time im talking about low sec so no bubbles. smartbombs are ok till a bs turns up and kills u. u need guns to camp properly ???? must mean u havent got a CLUE profit not without my changes in place So what you'd like is for solo-pwn-scissors to beat paper AND rock. This is pure genius. CCP, on it, PLZ!! One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
jimmyjam Divine Heresy	Posted - 2007.10.03 00:50:00 - [33] Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs Have friends on the other side of the gate with sensor boosters or go to 0.0 and use dictors.There is no reason for you to miss targets you have in game mechs stop whining. -----------------------------------------------
PraetorNZ The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.03 01:13:00 - [34] i agree with the op its so unfair that a battleship cant lock a shuttle before it can warp off. when entering a system everything should be forced to sit around at every gate until everyone in system has decided if they want to shoot it or not. its the only fair way to do it really
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.03 03:11:00 - [35] We had a guy boosting our tackler... pushed the scan res to 3K, that totally instalocks anything. Too bad he sucked at it so we had to boost someone else Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: CCP John Proctor Gates made from your nearest scrap yard can only be so space effecient
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.10.03 12:04:00 - [36] WTZ is underpowered, shuttles are take to long to lock! AS MOST =SMALL= SHIPS. Gate camping has to be annoying when I have to warp out EVERYTIME a BS or a pirate corp appears in local. WE NEED NERFAGE!!!ONE ONE ONE!!!!! I propose that this game needs to be like Runescrape. All lvl 2 ships will get instalocked instaganked and insta killed by th elvl 94 BS pilot. They should also not be able to warp half way cloaked when you go through a gate. This would allow us alt's to have more fun in posting ALREADY BALANCED game. No more ubber annoying alt post. Now thaat we have that translated.................. Can I have your stuff?
mallina Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.03 12:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Ch'ryl Gate camping is pirating on EZ mode to start with, for carebear pirates who want reward for little to no effort. Not really Sure, you don't have bubbles so your pod is always going to be fine, but Sentry Guns wear down campers quite a lot, and if it's only 1-2 people in Commands/BS then their tanks are going to be MUCH easier to break. You'd be suprised at how easy it is to break up some pirate gatecamps. The sentry guns by themselves do a number of things: - Eliminate the Shield buffer on armour tanking ships - Deplete the Capacitor on any active-tanking ship to a sustainable level - Significantly weaken the ship under fire in terms of tankable DPS - Prevent the use of Drones for longer than a minute Now, with all those disadvantages in mind, I would hardly call low-sec gate camping easy mode unless you're doing it with a Mothership ---
Brixer Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.10.03 12:55:00 - [38] A crow/taranis with 2000 scan res can't lock a shuttle/pod/ceptor before it's in warp when there are no bubbles. Best bet is to get a friend or 2 to remote sensor boost. You might catch a AF then.. hehe.
Rheddin	Posted - 2007.10.03 14:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Izo Azlion Originally by: Vrizuh Nice troll. I love pirate/griefer tears. Having warp to zero abolished would actually help us. I believe your mistaken when you refer to tears, good sir. No it won't . People will just start using set's of insta's again..
Dee Mentia	Posted - 2007.10.03 14:37:00 - [40] Edited by: Dee Mentia on 03/10/2007 14:37:51 Originally by: mallina Originally by: Ch'ryl Gate camping is pirating on EZ mode to start with, for carebear pirates who want reward for little to no effort. Not really Sure, you don't have bubbles so your pod is always going to be fine, but Sentry Guns wear down campers quite a lot, and if it's only 1-2 people in Commands/BS then their tanks are going to be MUCH easier to break. You'd be suprised at how easy it is to break up some pirate gatecamps. The sentry guns by themselves do a number of things: - Eliminate the Shield buffer on armour tanking ships - Deplete the Capacitor on any active-tanking ship to a sustainable level - Significantly weaken the ship under fire in terms of tankable DPS - Prevent the use of Drones for longer than a minute Now, with all those disadvantages in mind, I would hardly call low-sec gate camping easy mode unless you're doing it with a Mothership Sitting there waiting for victims to come along is not exactly an effort, as opposed to pirates who actively look for victims (like those who go around belts looking for victims, or even those who scan for deadspace mission runners). Sure, there's a risk to gatecamping, but to the seasoned camper who knows what it takes to tank the sentry guns, it's a very small one. Bit like shooting fish in a barrel really once you know what you're doing :)
mallina Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.03 14:51:00 - [41] Yes, the rewards can be high and yes, there's little effort to it. But really, how is it any easier/worse than 0.0 gate camping? Sure, less targets, but more you're able to catch because using Interceptors and Bubbles is actually possible, and no sentry guns giving anyone trying to kill you that edge (not to mention the element of suprise) Say you have 3 BS camping a gate, under sentry fire. Jump it with 3 BS of your own and you're almost guarenteed to win assuming setups and skills are relatively equal. You have more of a HP buffer, more Cap to use before boosting and your tanks are stronger. ---
Dee Mentia	Posted - 2007.10.03 16:03:00 - [42] Originally by: mallina Yes, the rewards can be high and yes, there's little effort to it. But really, how is it any easier/worse than 0.0 gate camping? Sure, less targets, but more you're able to catch because using Interceptors and Bubbles is actually possible, and no sentry guns giving anyone trying to kill you that edge (not to mention the element of suprise) Say you have 3 BS camping a gate, under sentry fire. Jump it with 3 BS of your own and you're almost guarenteed to win assuming setups and skills are relatively equal. You have more of a HP buffer, more Cap to use before boosting and your tanks are stronger. It isn't easier/worse than 0.0 gate camping. I believe what was said was that gate camping is piracy on easy mode, and as far as I'm concerned, that applies to both 0.0 or low sec. The point being that the OP is calling for gate camping to be made even easier, when it's not exactly rocket science to begin with :)
Vorok Silver Aria	Posted - 2007.10.03 18:51:00 - [43] Right on, OP! Shuttles have been overpowered since their inception! You can even assign fighters to shuttles, and their only weakness is that they tank well! Nerf shuttles! The most fair solution to the rampant shuttle problem would be a huge space net which sweeps space clean of targets and pulls them in for processing. Let's see those overpowered shuttles get away now!
Tha Pusher III ELEMENTS VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.03 20:03:00 - [44] Quite your whining and deal with it The anti-pirates Pirate I've got a BIG BIG thirst for human blood!
Vrikshaka Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:09:00 - [45] There once was an alt that flamebaited to see if she could get really hated. She said OMG WTZ IS BAD!!!!1! and everybody was had, was she even Derovius Vaden related?
Centinel 6 Amarr The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:36:00 - [46] Well, Ittys are easy. But If you wanna quick lock an pwn. Have someone fly a Lach and you sit in a BS remote reppin. You will catch everything and if your good you can dominate...or get dominated. GL Do Unto Others......As, you see fit.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:53:00 - [47] Originally by: clare bear wtz is crazy, shuttles are invincible as are most small ships. gate camping has ground to a hault. WE NEED BALLANCE!!! i propose a medhod of ballance. All ships that jump thru a gate mist have say a 5 second delay after de-cloaking. say an engine re-calibration timer. this would allow bigger ship to lock low sec travalers and ballance gate camping with WTZ. no more uber overpowered transport ships IE shuttles and frigs Post with you main buddy. Obviously you lack the intelligence to adapt. recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc

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