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Carpo Roolie
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Posted - 2004.02.19 09:23:00 -
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"Hellmar > we have a system in place, criminal flagging wich deals with this and ore theft, we are developing and testing it under shiva, but given the frustration this causes we will look closly towards backporting it to Castor "
So there goes the ore thieves argument of being salvage collectors :)
As much as I hate ore thieves and the irritation of using secure cans I personally dont know whether making ore theft a crime for cans is the answer.
Would secure cans be defunct then and only used for adverts ?
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.02.19 09:29:00 -
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Well, no. If I wanted to keep high value items out in space (spare ammo being the main thing) I'd use a secure can. Also the can can then store the loot obtained. And note that ore theft will still be possible. Only some means to 'get back' at the thief will be available. However if the ore thief is only a alt with barely enough skill to fly an indy (as I would suspect of an ore thief), then being 'wanted' may not be a major hindrance for their operations. Secure Cans are the ultimate protection for those who refuse to accept the risk.
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Brite
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:22:00 -
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I dont see why ccp cant just introduce some much bigger secure cans. The whole problem comes about cos the jettison cans can hold so much more than the secure ones but to me that is a very strange situation anyway! Why should a can you jettison from your ship hold more than one u drag into space and anchor???
Come on ccp - mining is not that much fun as it is - just give us some nice big secure cans and make life easier all round.....
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:47:00 -
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There will be ways around this, I'm sure.
F.E.
two-man job. one in an ibis, one in a hauler. Ibis boy opens ore can, steals contents, and jets them into their own can.
The hauler then empties that can and leaves, while the ibis is destroyed.
or..
you could take someone's ore, transfer it to the haulers can, and leave it there. Now, when the ore-owner goes to take it back *they* are flagged as criminals, and the ore theif comes back in a bb, and annihilates the miner.
etc.
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Gale Izzard
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Posted - 2004.02.19 12:16:00 -
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I think ore thievery is an important element of the game. An essential part of the risk Vs reward balance for mining.
But Carebears, I wouldn't go sliding down your rainbows in joy just yet....
With luck Hellmar's criminal flagging system will only allow people to identify ore thieves as opposed to being able to do anything about it. I understand the frustration of those having their ore stolen and not being able to do much about it. But then ore theft is not that lucrative so there are not that many ore thieves around.
I wonder if common sense will prevail???
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Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.19 12:20:00 -
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WEll just have the speed up and allign to the station so when you empty the can you use you instant dock and docks...
Because i guess its not concord that will kill Ore thiefs
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.02.19 12:24:00 -
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most people just hate that if you shoot them, YOU die
damn the people just want to take the law into their own hands. Is that really so wrong?
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Kintir Arun
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Posted - 2004.02.19 13:00:00 -
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I've never had any of my mined ore stolen... Mind I only use the default cans.
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DazWozUK
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Posted - 2004.02.19 13:20:00 -
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Ive never had any ore stolen, but i imagine i would be pretty ****ed if someone came along in a Itereon MK V and hauled all my hard earned ore off right in front ot me in >0.5 space where I could do naff all about it.
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.02.19 13:23:00 -
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I can see people stealing ore in BS's, just ASKING for the miner to do something about it  
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Carpo Roolie
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Posted - 2004.02.19 15:41:00 -
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Personally I think ore thieves are the lowest of the low. It isnt a good isk maker and they only do it to antagonise and grief.
However people who get stolen from should know better.
If I am in a quiet system I may do a purge and use standard cans but have a hauler doing the moving so nothing sits out too long.
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Drac Dragnog
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:01:00 -
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Simple answer... if its in greater than .5 get that indy right next to the can an Haul... Personally I Mine with BSs so that if some is stolen in an Ibis, or other small ship, who cares one run of the miner 2 is more than enuf to cover it.
As for Indys hauling it... Ive got alot of missles... :) and fast ships to hit the docks...
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:14:00 -
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Never had ore stolen, then again our corp moved to .4 space about 2nd or 3rd week of game.
Like someone else said ore thieving is prolly not that great of a business. More than likely people still doing it are either roleplaying and having a little fun or griefing.
I'd hate to think that the devs spend too much time on this issue as over the months it seems to have regulated itself to an occasional occurence rather than epidemic.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:25:00 -
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why dont they fix bugs and balance pvp and stuff instead of wasting time with stopping ore theft, i mean please, if you don't want your ore stolen, use a secure can, if that's too hard for you, cancel your account, plz.
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Jam Z
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:39:00 -
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EVE online all about carebear miners.....
Go have some real fun...
i have seen ppl ore thirf on alts down a lan centre and it's funny as anything ppl saying bring my ore back.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:24:00 -
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Drunkenmaster. From what it sounds like they will flag the items as stolen property, indicating who the proper owner is. So the original owner wouldnt be attacked from 'stealing'(reclaiming) his former property back. And hopefully, just like when a player goes into low sec space, a warning box will pop up when a player trades for any stolen property. Since possession of stolen property will be treated as a crime. And thus give rise to a black market, of cheap stolen goods.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:29:00 -
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I can't believe that is topic is restarted over and over and over again. Use secure cans or assume certain risks. If that's too much, try playing progress quest.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:33:00 -
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hmm, if they intend to mark 'loot' as stolen goods, then most of the ore thieves will just hold the cans at gunpoint ransom.
Or just destroy them, depending on their frame of mind.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:35:00 -
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So what you're all saying is, You're against a small removal of the ability to shoot someone without CONCORD getting involved?
Weren't you all just complaining about CONCORD?
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:58:00 -
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you know jet can's was never suposed ot be used that way damn expliotor carebears so stop whineing and use sec can's
 Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.02.19 18:18:00 -
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heh If you cant Steal it then blow it up :-p
w00t!
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Drogon
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Posted - 2004.02.19 19:24:00 -
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look it's simple just mine in .1 to .4 system. when the ore thieves come in blast them
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AwiL
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Posted - 2004.02.19 20:15:00 -
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i think it'd be fockin sweet to see items reported as stolen goods. that would implement a whole new genre of rp`ing. i mean come on a blackmarket for stolen goods? how genious. bottom line tho if ur too carebear to come out of >.5 systems u deserve to have u **** stolen by someone.
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Doctor Octagon
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Posted - 2004.02.19 21:00:00 -
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I have never stolen ore from anybody, and have not had any ore stolen. But i like the idea that somebody can come up from behind stealing from me. Maybe i want to be a ore thief myself someday who knows.
Taking this away is ******* with my gaming experience, i hate the idea.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:28:00 -
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most urgent and important issue. needs to be solved NOW!
...and nothing else matters...
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Cristobal
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cristobal on 19/02/2004 23:14:49
Consider this before all of you continue your rants...
One hundred dollars in a brown paper sack in the lap of a person sitting on a park bench is considered their property. Taking it is considered a crime.
However...
Picking up one hundred dollars in a brown paper sack on a park bench with no one around to claim ownership is not a crime. It is luck.
Taking ore from an active container in a belt where the owner currently is should be considered a crime. Finding a free floating container in a belt, and the owner is not in the belt, well that is just darn right lucky.
The flag of ownship should only be present on unsecure containers, as long as the owner is within the same belt as the container. If the owner leaves the belt then the ownership tag is lost, and the container reverts to unowned, unclaimed and available for salavage. By default only unsecure containers would be controlled in this manner.
And... enough said.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:51:00 -
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^ if nothing said is enough for you...
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LaneHacker
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Posted - 2004.02.20 03:14:00 -
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Can't wait to take my BB for some ore salvage!
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.02.20 11:32:00 -
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dude look up what "JETTISON" means stop those flunk RL analog's
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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