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Candy
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Posted - 2004.02.19 09:55:00 -
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When it comes to scamming, CCP says one thing:
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Although low and despicable, this is something that can happen in real life, and the world of EVE-Online has been made to resemble it in as many fundamental ways as possible.
Real Life... Hmm.. Here in America, We have a little thing called LAW SUITS, and when some employee steals something, whether it be millions of dollars or two cases of toner cartridges, they get in trouble. This post could go under Game Ideas, but it really deals with crime and punishment. There is little one can do to really trust someone in this game. Sure there are scammers in real life too, but a lot of em are stopped because of the fear of legal pursuit. There needs to be some form of 'Legal Intervention' in EVE. First, CEOs need to be able to see all of the transactions between the employees and the corporate hangers. Last time I checked you cant take the company car without asking, or at least without someone knowing about it. That would probably be a good start, because even though their are damn good photoshoppers out there (myself included), there is at least some evidence that theft has occured. That transaction time combined with the time the person left the corp is a pretty strong case. I feel bad for all of the people who get completely destroyed by the title of "CORP THIEF". They have no way of proving their innocence. I have equal remorse for those corps that invite some new player that needs help only to find their corporate ships hanger empty. Maybe this is all details, but it boils down to this:
In real life, there is a thing called TRUST. CCP says:
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DONĘT TRUST ANYONE
Any ideas on how to build trust in the person you are dealing with in EVE, especially if there is nothing stopping them from taking months of your hard work?
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.02.19 10:01:00 -
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mmm, i can understand scamming and people do get in trouble for it, they often get bounties placed on them or everyone is told that they are a scammer or something. What i think is quite annoying is when people create alts to do this and when they are done they just delete the account. There is no way of punishing these people or nething, or does anyone know of any way?
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:07:00 -
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Quote:
When it comes to scamming, CCP says one thing:
Quote:
Although low and despicable, this is something that can happen in real life, and the world of EVE-Online has been made to resemble it in as many fundamental ways as possible.
Real Life... Hmm.. Here in America, We have a little thing called LAW SUITS, and when some employee steals something, whether it be millions of dollars or two cases of toner cartridges, they get in trouble. This post could go under Game Ideas, but it really deals with crime and punishment. There is little one can do to really trust someone in this game. Sure there are scammers in real life too, but a lot of em are stopped because of the fear of legal pursuit. There needs to be some form of 'Legal Intervention' in EVE. First, CEOs need to be able to see all of the transactions between the employees and the corporate hangers. Last time I checked you cant take the company car without asking, or at least without someone knowing about it. That would probably be a good start, because even though their are damn good photoshoppers out there (myself included), there is at least some evidence that theft has occured. That transaction time combined with the time the person left the corp is a pretty strong case. I feel bad for all of the people who get completely destroyed by the title of "CORP THIEF". They have no way of proving their innocence. I have equal remorse for those corps that invite some new player that needs help only to find their corporate ships hanger empty. Maybe this is all details, but it boils down to this:
In real life, there is a thing called TRUST. CCP says:
Quote:
DONĘT TRUST ANYONE
Any ideas on how to build trust in the person you are dealing with in EVE, especially if there is nothing stopping them from taking months of your hard work?
Candy u are fogeting something, in RL only a small % of those plp scaming or stealling a cought.
Most of them get away or are lost in all the paperwork
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:10:00 -
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The other side of the coin is this ..... yes in real life u have law suits, but you also instigate controls to stop scamming happening. If you are a bank manager and an employee is able to steal a million pounds, trust me you would be questions as to how they were able to do it - i.e. why did your controls fail.
Scamming is the lowest of the low imo but ccp cant be responsible for everything - you need to put in place controls - i.e. in the case of corp thieves you do not let them have access to any areas until you 99% trust them.....(I guess u can never trust anyone 100%  )
The other problem is that its your word against any potential scammer. I recently got scammed - probably an old favourite - i was offered a research lab at a station....I handed over the agreed amount for the lab and he took the money and ran. Now I can complain to ccp but the scammer can just say that I had agreed to give him that money. Same with corp thieves 
My advice would be to only let people have access to what they put into the corp. i.e. if people come mine with you etc etc then let them have access to an area of the corp with a value to what they have put in. I guess after a few months you can open up more. But u will never be fully protected and a disgruntled trusted member could aways pull a fast one 
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:21:00 -
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It would be a good idea to provide audit trails for incoming/outgoings from hangers.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:38:00 -
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Yeah, most RL corp thieves don't get caught.
I have tons of biros and post-it notes at home.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:44:00 -
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Oh yeah, if you open your hangars to someone, and they steal from it, you are *both* to blame.
the theif looks worse from a moral standpoint, but as far as blame goes, it is shared.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.02.19 12:22:00 -
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a trial of ingame theives
I wonder what the punishment would be for skipping in-gme jury duty
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Posted - 2004.02.19 12:59:00 -
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mmm, i can understand scamming and people do get in trouble for it, they often get bounties placed on them or everyone is told that they are a scammer or something...
Oh the a-go-ny... the hu-ma-ni-ty of it all... people will call the scammer a scammer. People will have to lose more money on top of what they already lost to put a bounty on his head. Who in his right mind is a bounty hunter in this game? 
No, people scam in this game because there are no repercussions whatsoever... unlike real life as pointed out in the originator's post.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.02.19 13:05:00 -
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Remember this is a fun game so please let's keep lawyers out of it.
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DazWozUK
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Posted - 2004.02.19 13:15:00 -
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Remember this is a fun game so please let's keep lawyers out of it.
You obviously havn't been scammed yet :)
It is a very annoying aspect of the game and one that is difficult to prevent. I was scammed by a character called sidekick he had access to no corp hangers and no responsibility but he scammed a player on a battleship deal and tried to blame it on my corp. He advised the player he scammed to start a corp war with us.
Its very difficult to grow a corp when you cant trust anyone.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.02.19 14:06:00 -
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Oh yeah, if you open your hangars to someone, and they steal from it, you are *both* to blame.
the theif looks worse from a moral standpoint, but as far as blame goes, it is shared.
Agreed
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.02.19 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 19/02/2004 15:21:26
as much as i hate it and i know everyone else does aswell, its just part of the game .. would i do it? HELL no, but im sure alot have thought about it a time or 2 .. keep your doors locked, and if you do unlock a few of them, make sure the stuff in there wont cripple you if it suddenly up and grows wings and flys away...
Simple solution to allowing BP access .. MAKE COPIES and only allow access to those, dont put the original out there for everyone to play with
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:22:00 -
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In real life, it's a criminal offense to willfully destroy other people's property. Ships and cloned bodies, so what you want to do is to ban PvP in it's extension. Can you stop trolling this irl crap?
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:25:00 -
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Remember this is a fun game so please let's keep lawyers out of it.
You obviously havn't been scammed yet :)
It is a very annoying aspect of the game and one that is difficult to prevent. I was scammed by a character called sidekick he had access to no corp hangers and no responsibility but he scammed a player on a battleship deal and tried to blame it on my corp. He advised the player he scammed to start a corp war with us.
Its very difficult to grow a corp when you cant trust anyone.
No I haven't been scammed yet and probably never will be admittedly not because of my great intellect () and unhealthy paranoia but because I really don't own anything worth losing.
I also realize that if I were scammed I probably couldn't blame anyone but myself.
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Brite
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:36:00 -
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In real life, it's a criminal offense to willfully destroy other people's property. Ships and cloned bodies, so what you want to do is to ban PvP in it's extension. Can you stop trolling this irl crap?
lol.....he has a point....
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:48:00 -
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Although low and despicable, this is something that can happen in real life, and the world of EVE-Online has been made to resemble it in as many fundamental ways as possible.
This is a very funny quote because it couldn't be further from the truth.
CCP says they want realism, however there isn't one thing about eve that is even remotely resembles irl.
I suppose it is this quote from CCP as why the flight dynamics of deep space is actually more like water. Or that when you buy something from someone you can only see who it is AFTER you buy it.
Or that re-tooling a mfr. plant has no cost.
Or lasers, hybrid charges, projectiles go right through everything except their target.
Or...
The only thing irl about eve is the fact that CCP delivers an unfinished product to market and claim that fixes are "expansions".
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Frankinator
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:30:00 -
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Remember this is a fun game so please let's keep lawyers out of it.
You obviously havn't been scammed yet :)
It is a very annoying aspect of the game and one that is difficult to prevent. I was scammed by a character called sidekick he had access to no corp hangers and no responsibility but he scammed a player on a battleship deal and tried to blame it on my corp. He advised the player he scammed to start a corp war with us.
Its very difficult to grow a corp when you cant trust anyone.
I hear that there are certain CEO's out there, that let people in to their corp with an emtpy application. Might as well just use an unsecured can in mid-space for a corphangar if u'r that stupid. N00bs shouldn't be CEO's. 
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.02.20 00:23:00 -
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a trial of ingame theives
I wonder what the punishment would be for skipping in-gme jury duty
10 mil isk fine cant use the market til it is paid 
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Lord DarkRaven
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Posted - 2004.02.20 04:48:00 -
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Stop crying and punish them yourself. I would
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