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Devius butterbelly	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:08:00 - [1] Gd day peoples of eve. I am here to grief over the immense and saddening loss of a stack of ammo. Today I was moving about 20k barrage M, 11k Hail M and 6k RF emp M and several K's of smaller ammo. also was i carrying a zor's hyperlink. The total value of my cargo didnt surpass 70m. Unfortunatly as i was browsing contracts on AP. my hauler suddenly got ganked, amazingly a cyclone pilot decided i had the so called "phat lewts" and that it would be profitable to gank me. So far so good, ive been suicide ganked before with lots more in my hold and didnt learn from that. Its my own fault i gues. What i do have a problem with is that it is now profitable to suicide ships into haulers carrying ammo. I asked the player and altho he admitted he couldve picked a more valuable target. he said he still turned a profit from it. This is IMHO wrong. If have to activly jump 25 jumps for every stash of ammo im trying to move than this game will become boring real quick. Im not here to offer a solution, just merely expressing my concerns. Im all for empire ganking, and hadnt i ruined my mains security status by conventional means i wouldve done this by highsec ganking. But the fact that a bunch of ammo can still turn a profit is ridiculous (probably also to blame on the stupid high price of Barrage M) Right, done with that :) Now discuss a healthy solution to this problem without making empire ganking completly unprofitable or impossible. I'll have to think about that one for a while.... Mr. Butterbelly out.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:09:00 - [2] how about a nice cup of STFU? this is an official reply to the thread spamming OP. we know. it happens. deal. adapt. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Resonancee	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:11:00 - [3] heres a solution, QUIT!
Sphynx Stormlord Gallente Anqara Tech	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:24:00 - [4] It is amusing that cyclone pilots are so desperate for barrage M that they will gank haulers and risk concord for it. Nice one!
Verx Interis	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Resonancee heres a solution, QUIT! And give me your stuff. -----sig-starts-here------ I not what know I is doing.
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:24:00 - [6] give AP wtz. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:25:00 - [7] Can I have your stuff?
omiNATION Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Devius butterbelly Gd day peoples of eve. I am here to grief over the immense and saddening loss of a stack of ammo. Today I was moving about 20k barrage M, 11k Hail M and 6k RF emp M and several K's of smaller ammo. also was i carrying a zor's hyperlink. The total value of my cargo didnt surpass 70m. Unfortunatly as i was browsing contracts on AP. my hauler suddenly got ganked, amazingly a cyclone pilot decided i had the so called "phat lewts" and that it would be profitable to gank me. So far so good, ive been suicide ganked before with lots more in my hold and didnt learn from that. Its my own fault i gues. What i do have a problem with is that it is now profitable to suicide ships into haulers carrying ammo. I asked the player and altho he admitted he couldve picked a more valuable target. he said he still turned a profit from it. This is IMHO wrong. If have to activly jump 25 jumps for every stash of ammo im trying to move than this game will become boring real quick. Im not here to offer a solution, just merely expressing my concerns. Im all for empire ganking, and hadnt i ruined my mains security status by conventional means i wouldve done this by highsec ganking. But the fact that a bunch of ammo can still turn a profit is ridiculous (probably also to blame on the stupid high price of Barrage M) Right, done with that :) Now discuss a healthy solution to this problem without making empire ganking completly unprofitable or impossible. I'll have to think about that one for a while.... Mr. Butterbelly out. I think I've matured enough to not berate you, but a good rule of thumb is: If it's valuable enough for you to haul, it's valuable enough for someone to gank.
Tujiko Starhawk	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:34:00 - [9] Everyone just needs to have their alt autopilot around in an empty hauler that costs nothing to replace, and they'll gank you anyway losing a much more expensive ship. Trust me this happened to me. I lost an empty hauler and replaced it for 700k and Vladez lost a Brutix to Concord, lol. Some might scan cargo but obviously not all.
Voltron Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:37:00 - [10] Use a badger 2 with some passive t2 thermal/kinetic shield resist amps and some t2 med extenders. Should get close to 4.5 or 5k shields with okish resists. May keep you alive long enough for concord to jam whatever brutix or myrmidon is trying to kill you. Or use a t2 hauler with lse 2's, 10k shield with good natural resists. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Valorem ([email protected])
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Devius butterbelly Today I was moving about 20k barrage M, 11k Hail M and 6k RF emp M and several K's of smaller ammo. also was i carrying a zor's hyperlink. 20k of Barrage M, 6K of RF Emp M... me want
Verx Interis	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Vitrael Can I have your stuff? Hey I asked first. -----sig-starts-here------ I not what know I is doing.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:56:00 - [13] "Unfortunatly as i was browsing contracts on AP" - ah there's your problem, failing to pay attention. Originally by: Frug give AP wtz. No. If we could do everything in the game on AP they'd hardly be any point in playing now would there? Eve would become a MMNO game. "Massively Multiplayer Not Online" C. - sig designer - eve mail
Zenobite Flying Under the Influence	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:13:00 - [14] Don't see a problem with suicide ganks and don't see why it should be changed to cater for AFK,lazy or unaware pilots. You could have avoided being ganked by using WTZ, if you don't like flying your hauler then do something else.
Cpt Fina Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 03/10/2007 23:22:03 Votes for fix. edit: Originally by: omiNATION I think I've matured enough to not berate you, but a good rule of thumb is: If it's valuable enough for you to haul, it's valuable enough for someone to gank. That's a pretty dumb rule imo.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 03/10/2007 23:22:03 Votes for fix. edit: Originally by: omiNATION I think I've matured enough to not berate you, but a good rule of thumb is: If it's valuable enough for you to haul, it's valuable enough for someone to gank. That's a pretty dumb rule imo. Sounds very sensible to me...... C. - sig designer - eve mail
Rilder Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:27:00 - [17] Is it really that hard to use WTZ manually? I've been known to do 50-60 jumps manual in my mammoth when I'm bored. --
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:30:00 - [18] I advise you see my suicide gank formula. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Frannkie	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:31:00 - [19] ok ok... this is getting beaten to death.. theres a new post about it almost every day... now my thoughts 1) never fly ap .. space isnt safe .... period 2) the element of risk / reward is screwed in favour of the ganker now... gankers comit a hostile act and as a consequence they are concorded , good that is suppose to happen the hauler gets ganked by the ganker, and the said ganker gets ganked by the 'police force' as in concord... game mechanics are fine here ! what isnt fine is the insurance side of the issue Insurance payout to ships destroyed by concord should be null and void as the result of ship lost was due to an illegal action by the ganker. In doing so the element of risk / reward is maintained. As for the can i have ye stuff, quit comments... they are totally uncalled for... op has a valid post, agree or disagree... just dont be d**ks ... ye boring me .. play the game instead of spending every 5 mins looking for an opportunity to quaote 'can i have your stuff' .... its sooo yesterday..... <yawns>
Price Watcher	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:53:00 - [20] What is missing here is any kind of meaningful penalty for attacking someone in high-sec. I propose the following: If you attack someone in 1.0 space you lose all the skill points off your highest trained skill. In any case where the skillpoints of two or more skills are equal, you lose from the most recently completed. In 0.9, 90%, and so on down to 0.5 where you lose 50%. Attacks in 0.4 and below would carry no skillpoint penalty. POST WITH YOUR ALT! The Shame o' The Galaxy
RobbehT Minmatar Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:57:00 - [21] When will people learn that high sec isn't ment to be 100% safe ? a game with 0% risk involved is just boring ! Visit Havoc-Inc
Fswd	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:02:00 - [22] Edited by: Fswd on 04/10/2007 00:02:49 Why should anyone loose SP? Highsec isnt safe, its safER. --- Free exotic dancers for mods that mod my sig Snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -Yipsilanti ([email protected]) <-- freebie for you
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:06:00 - [23] Funny how every complaint about suicide ganking starts off with "So I was flying on AP..."
Strak Yogorn Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.04 01:21:00 - [24] There is NO problem, we just need more people thinking before doing ...
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.04 01:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Price Watcher What is missing here is any kind of meaningful penalty for attacking someone in high-sec. I propose the following: If you attack someone in 1.0 space you lose all the skill points off your highest trained skill. In any case where the skillpoints of two or more skills are equal, you lose from the most recently completed. In 0.9, 90%, and so on down to 0.5 where you lose 50%. Attacks in 0.4 and below would carry no skillpoint penalty. How about when you GET suicide ganked in 1.0 you lose all the SP off your last highest trained skill, in 0.9 90% and so on down to 0.5 where you lose 50% because you were STUPID Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: CCP John Proctor Gates made from your nearest scrap yard can only be so space effecient
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.10.04 02:28:00 - [26] I'd ask for your stuff, but you'd probably get ganked on the way to dropping it off. Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.04 03:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Akita T on 04/10/2007 03:33:55 That hauler you were flying, it was honour-tanked, wasn't it ? I mean, what the heck, killed by a single Cyclone ganker ?!? My two regular Badger MK II "antigank autopilot" fits (full passive) have either 20k effective HP on lowest resist with ~150 DPS permatank, or 15k effective HP with ~280 DPS permatank... and I rarely even use them anymore, usually it's the Crane (and if really needed, the Bustard, but that's a slow-ass beast). How much DPS could he be pushing out ? I doubt it would have been anywhere near 500 DPS, probably not even close... and still, that would be over 40 seconds to kill (yummy shield EXP base resist), and CONCORD should show up in about 30 seconds, so, a pretty tough call (read: failed attempt). _ Caldari N.V.T.F. is recruiting...
Shin Schei Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.04 03:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Celeste Coeval I'd ask for your stuff, but you'd probably get ganked on the way to dropping it off. I try to stay out of these threads, but that was too good. I'm officially stealing it for my sig. Look, kids. I haven't been around long, but I noticed pretty early on that when you leave the station, you need to be prepared for someone to shoot at you. 1.0, 0.0, hauling, mining, missioning, wandering aimlessly towards a random star -- it doesn't matter what you're doing, you need to provide for the possibility that someone will shoot at you, either by preparing some sort of defense, or accepting that you might get blown up. You can make yourself a less tempting target, thereby reducing you chance to get shot at, but you'll never completely remove that chance. When I go out, my job is to run a mission or get some stuff sold or get some stuff bought and taken to my home station. Anyone I see on the way may decide it's their job to stop me. That's the beauty of this game. When I succeed here, it's worth something. When I fail, it's worth something. Originally by: Celeste Coeval I'd ask for your stuff, but you'd probably get ganked on the way to dropping it off.
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.10.04 04:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Vitrael Can I have your stuff? The cyclone got it Changes to Local,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Devius butterbelly	Posted - 2007.10.04 05:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Captian Internet Originally by: Vitrael Can I have your stuff? The cyclone got it Lol yea :) I find it impressive how many people read the first 2 lines and than hit reply. I am all FOR suicide ganking, yeey for suicide ganking, hurray etc. Yea i DID fly on AP and i also have lost a ship to suicide ganking before. It was indeed stupid of me. What i am concerned about is the fact that i now need to be at my PC for every ******* jump i make. Now hauling a bunch of ammo 25 jumps takes ages and is insanely boring. I think noone would benefit from the fact that 70m isk is enough to get you ganked, the 30m is isk the ganker made is hardly enough to compensate the sec penalty if i were him.... All these flames are probably because the subject is being beaten to death and i know that. But well... everyone is allowed to voice their concerns here. Empire should by no means be 100% safe. but being ganked of such a relatively small amount of isk is just an annoyance.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 05:47:00 - [31] Don't use expander's and tank your hauler's. If you haul often well then train up transport ships, it will take quite a bit more then a Cruiser to kill one of those. recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
Cpt Fina Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.04 23:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 03/10/2007 23:22:03 Votes for fix. edit: Originally by: omiNATION I think I've matured enough to not berate you, but a good rule of thumb is: If it's valuable enough for you to haul, it's valuable enough for someone to gank. That's a pretty dumb rule imo. Sounds very sensible to me...... C. You'd gank a freighter hauling 2 crows?

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