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Foghail
Caldari Auroran PeaceKeepers
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Posted - 2007.10.03 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Originally by: Laboratus Better yet, remove concord
I agree with this guy. Concord doesn't do what it what the players feel it should, it's a failure. Instead of waisting time programming the AI in hopes of creating some perfect officer, it should be done away with altogether. You can't program what people are smart enough to do themselves.
We can provide security for ourselves. We can have player provided police forces, earning pay from killing thugs via transferable kill rights system +bounties from those kill rights. These players could receive faction fitted police ships, scan for smugglers, etc. Their rank within the Police force could determine what size ship they're provided for free to help curb abuse, you'd have to be a proven peace officer to get the largest of ships.
/signed
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Foghail
Caldari Auroran PeaceKeepers
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Posted - 2007.10.03 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Originally by: Laboratus Better yet, remove concord
I agree with this guy. Concord doesn't do what it what the players feel it should, it's a failure. Instead of waisting time programming the AI in hopes of creating some perfect officer, it should be done away with altogether. You can't program what people are smart enough to do themselves.
We can provide security for ourselves. We can have player provided police forces, earning pay from killing thugs via transferable kill rights system +bounties from those kill rights. These players could receive faction fitted police ships, scan for smugglers, etc. Their rank within the Police force could determine what size ship they're provided for free to help curb abuse, you'd have to be a proven peace officer to get the largest of ships.
/signed
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.03 22:28:00 -
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It's called 0.0 space.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.03 22:28:00 -
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It's called 0.0 space.
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.04 02:36:00 -
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CONCORD do what players will never be able to do, and is needed, period.
The only people who don't want CONCORD around are lazy pirates, unrealistic players, and/or people who didn't see the problems from when CONCORD stopped working for a short period of time.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.04 02:47:00 -
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That was the greatest day in Eve history 
Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
Originally by: CCP John Proctor
Gates made from your nearest scrap yard can only be so space effecient 
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SgtDeaux
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Posted - 2007.10.04 05:25:00 -
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NO CONCORD??!!! *Runs off too buy 8 more accounts and fit 20 mirmidons*
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CCP kieron

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Posted - 2007.10.04 15:53:00 -
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While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.10.04 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
Then why not just make it so u cant fire on other players unless war decc'd or aggro timer such as ore thieving?
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.04 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave
Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
Then why not just make it so u cant fire on other players unless war decc'd or aggro timer such as ore thieving?
Because suicide ganking is an intended feature. It would be far simpler to code it so that you can't shot neutrals in empire. However, you would lose a vibrant part of the game.
And if you are wondering, I have lost ships to suicide gankers. Still have the kill mails to remind me not to go AFK. 
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.04 16:53:00 -
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Player based police forces are what CCP is trying to have happen in low sec. It already happens in 0.0.
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Free Politics
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave
Then why not just make it so u cant fire on other players unless war decc'd or aggro timer such as ore thieving?
Now that would just make eve boring...
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Free Politics
Originally by: EliteSlave
Then why not just make it so u cant fire on other players unless war decc'd or aggro timer such as ore thieving?
Now that would just make eve boring...
It already is boring...
Ive never been suicided, but i still disagree with insurance payouts due to concordokken
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.05 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave
Originally by: Free Politics
Originally by: EliteSlave
Then why not just make it so u cant fire on other players unless war decc'd or aggro timer such as ore thieving?
Now that would just make eve boring...
It already is boring...
Ive never been suicided, but i still disagree with insurance payouts due to concordokken
give me one good reason why I can point a gun at you a fire. I mean not lock or game ****. just basic fire off a blast, because I want my guns to fire.
is a magic beam of bull**** stopping my weapons?? I don't think so, CCP is smart, and they won't turn this into WoW in space. you are never safe in eve.
and how would removing Concord be good reason to keep shooting at players? at that point it... never mind your not using logic, I should stay out of it. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room... |

Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 09:20:00 -
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How about modding the interface for a players that are like the ISD, make the tactical overlay akin to a RTS allowing control of multiple ships at once to moniter a system or 2 at a time. Maybe even make the Concord Battleship an uber solopwn machine for enforcement puropses and have 10 per persn in several systems, fully fitted with 250km range webbers/scramblers insta lock ect.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
Post with your alt.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.05 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava How about modding the interface for a players that are like the ISD, make the tactical overlay akin to a RTS allowing control of multiple ships at once to moniter a system or 2 at a time. Maybe even make the Concord Battleship an uber solopwn machine for enforcement puropses and have 10 per persn in several systems, fully fitted with 250km range webbers/scramblers insta lock ect.
tell me what players want to be on 23/7 waiting only to fight when a player attacks someone else? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room... |

Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Kirjava How about modding the interface for a players that are like the ISD, make the tactical overlay akin to a RTS allowing control of multiple ships at once to moniter a system or 2 at a time. Maybe even make the Concord Battleship an uber solopwn machine for enforcement puropses and have 10 per persn in several systems, fully fitted with 250km range webbers/scramblers insta lock ect.
tell me what players want to be on 23/7 waiting only to fight when a player attacks someone else?
Have a rota? I'm suggesting the option to take over from concord in select systems and then they revert to AI when noone has control.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
Post with your alt.
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Corbin Vega
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Posted - 2007.10.05 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Kirjava How about modding the interface for a players that are like the ISD, make the tactical overlay akin to a RTS allowing control of multiple ships at once to moniter a system or 2 at a time. Maybe even make the Concord Battleship an uber solopwn machine for enforcement puropses and have 10 per persn in several systems, fully fitted with 250km range webbers/scramblers insta lock ect.
tell me what players want to be on 23/7 waiting only to fight when a player attacks someone else?
Have a rota? I'm suggesting the option to take over from concord in select systems and then they revert to AI when noone has control.
CCP can employ all the isk farmers into the player police force...there's your 23/7 coverage right there ^^ help fix the isk farming to boot!
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.10.05 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
Kieron, CONCORD is the embodiment of abuse. They blow the guy who blew up the newbie after newbie clicks "Terminate" and cancels account, and then allows for insurance to be paid to the pewpew-guy.
In RL, such a police force would have been disbanded, let alone burnt to the ground.
Whilst I'm not against suicide ganking, I am against actions that detract from new players learning the game at their pace and not get blown up 5 seconds out the station (yes, I've taken the liberty of testing this in an empty hauler. Suicided right at the next gate).
I'm all for removing insurance when CONCORDed. It should have been done months ago -
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Detrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.07 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
I'm all for removing insurance when CONCORDed. It should have been done months ago
I've lost a battleship in high-sec to Concord one time when I made a stupid mistake of shooting the container of a gangmate that wasn't in my corp. You are saying I should not get an insurance payout for that mistake but people that mess up in a mission and get killed by other NPC ships should keep getting their payout?
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
You speak of abuse, not that i tink this idea is any good but i've heard stories of GM and Dev abuse, is that any better?
The only thing i will abuse is my wifes body "if ya know what i mean" 
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.07 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
You speak of abuse, not that i tink this idea is any good but i've heard stories of GM and Dev abuse, is that any better?
The only thing i will abuse is my wifes body "if ya know what i mean" 
chances of player abusing getting 1000,0000 times wrose.... 100%
hmm I don't like that guy, let him die.
oh I'm an alt for goonswarm, I won'thelp anybody.
hell I'm attack who is being attacked and then I'll let the guy I was called on to hget away.
I had bad day at work time to go run around shooting people for fun because I'm the law now. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room... |

Ridley Scot
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.07 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Free Politics
Originally by: EliteSlave
Then why not just make it so u cant fire on other players unless war decc'd or aggro timer such as ore thieving?
Now that would just make eve boring...
Boring? How about removing Jump Bridges in 0.0 so people start using the gates again so we can have some PVP in 0.0 where it should be? -----------------------------------------------
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
Kieron, CONCORD is the embodiment of abuse. They blow the guy who blew up the newbie after newbie clicks "Terminate" and cancels account, and then allows for insurance to be paid to the pewpew-guy.
In RL, such a police force would have been disbanded, let alone burnt to the ground.
Whilst I'm not against suicide ganking, I am against actions that detract from new players learning the game at their pace and not get blown up 5 seconds out the station (yes, I've taken the liberty of testing this in an empty hauler. Suicided right at the next gate).
I'm all for removing insurance when CONCORDed. It should have been done months ago
Oh what utter bull****. No one in their right mind suicides newbies for "fun", after a few suicides you will no longer be able to enter highsec, and its really boring and hard work getting sec status back up.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.07 10:42:00 -
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I just wish someone could buy a bounty hunting license from concord for a week (maybe something like 5 mill ISK per week), where it will allow you to kill someone for a week.
Maybe have a max of 2 licenses active at any one time so its not abused as much.
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui I just wish someone could buy a bounty hunting license from concord for a week (maybe something like 5 mill ISK per week), where it will allow you to kill someone for a week.
Maybe have a max of 2 licenses active at any one time so its not abused as much.
Ahh brilliant idea, now we just need some name for it and a basic mechanic... i know we can call them war decelerations.
System is already in place and working or it was until CCP broke it because Privateers did something right and made eve dangerous again.
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Solant
Minmatar Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.07 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
is a magic beam of bull**** stopping my weapons?? I don't think so, CCP is smart, and they won't turn this into WoW in space. you are never safe in eve.
QFT, and made my day. /lawl
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.07 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ryas Nia
Ahh brilliant idea, now we just need some name for it and a basic mechanic... i know we can call them war decelerations.
No not really, his idea would stop the "Im in a NPC corp you cant dec me" Asshats.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.07 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
Kieron, CONCORD is the embodiment of abuse. They blow the guy who blew up the newbie after newbie clicks "Terminate" and cancels account, and then allows for insurance to be paid to the pewpew-guy.
In RL, such a police force would have been disbanded, let alone burnt to the ground.
Whilst I'm not against suicide ganking, I am against actions that detract from new players learning the game at their pace and not get blown up 5 seconds out the station (yes, I've taken the liberty of testing this in an empty hauler. Suicided right at the next gate).
I'm all for removing insurance when CONCORDed. It should have been done months ago
Why would you purposly suicide an empty hauler? ---------------------------------
Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home. |

KKhanid Queen
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Posted - 2007.10.07 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: CCP kieron While this is an interesting idea, it is simply not feasible for Empire space. Player assumption of law enforcement responsibilities can and eventually will be abused, not all systems would be covered 23/7 as needed, etc.
Nobody is denying there is room for improvement, but it is the best option available and we will make it even better.
Kieron, CONCORD is the embodiment of abuse. They blow the guy who blew up the newbie after newbie clicks "Terminate" and cancels account, and then allows for insurance to be paid to the pewpew-guy.
In RL, such a police force would have been disbanded, let alone burnt to the ground.
Whilst I'm not against suicide ganking, I am against actions that detract from new players learning the game at their pace and not get blown up 5 seconds out the station (yes, I've taken the liberty of testing this in an empty hauler. Suicided right at the next gate).
I'm all for removing insurance when CONCORDed. It should have been done months ago
EVE is a harsh game. its not like wow.
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