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Phony v2
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Posted - 2004.02.19 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Phony v2 on 19/02/2004 21:39:31
Edited by: Phony v2 on 19/02/2004 21:38:26
I was in a shuttle flying in .2 space at a stargate just now. And I saw a ship with a red reticule around there ship meaning that you are at war or have a bad standing with them. But if i look into my corp wars we are not at war with anybody. The battleship attacked me and the sentries did nothing. I didn't lose anything, but I was just wondering why the sentries did not respond to the attack. And why the reticule was red, because i don't think they have a bad standing with us and we don't have a bad standing with them.   Can someone give me some insight on this? |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.19 21:43:00 -
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He was probably out of range for sentry guns (60-65km) so they could not shoot him.
He was red because CCP have marked certain corporations as being outlaws... but you will get killed if you shoot at them in empire space because most of them do not have -5 sec status.
"Brilliant" move from CCP.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.19 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 19/02/2004 21:49:49
It goes soemthing like this:
Anyone with any negative security rating to that empire shows up as red. That is 0.0 or lower.
Under .5 security empire space the sentry guns will not attack unless being attacked themselves I think. WHy they have sentry guns in .5 and lower if they dont protect their own citizens I have no idea. It just adds to the drunkeness of CCP.
Above .5 security space if you have a -5 or lower sec rating you will be auotmatically attacked by sentry guns. If you are -1 to -4 you can still enter high security space and not be attacked by concord unless you attack somebody else.
THe whoel thing FUBAR with this is that if your flying around in 1.0 space and you jump to a gate you see somebody with a RED icon on their name. This leads me to beleive that they are an enemy and I should be able to attack them. This is not true and if you do you will be swiftly killed.
I propose that anybody with -0.1 to -4.99 should show up as orange. And anybody with -5 or lower should show up as red. This will make people aware of who these people are. Also you should be able to attack anyone with a -5 or lower sec rating and not receive any faction loss. Its ridiculous that you cant attack anybody in .5 to .1 space without losing faction regardless if the other person is a pirate.
Im new so I might have been misinterpretaed ons ome points and Id love to hear the deal. A nd what CCP plans to do with the moronic display of colors and faction hits etc.
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ilisha amarr
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Posted - 2004.02.19 21:52:00 -
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 Its.....its..... just sooooo wrong.... |
Phony v2
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Posted - 2004.02.19 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Phony v2 on 19/02/2004 21:56:39
Wow so you now attack other people at gates in .4 to .1 systems? I will have to test this in a frigate. Is there anyone else who can confirm this? like a gm or polaris?   |
Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:04:00 -
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You can attack people in .4 to 0.0 without concord attacking you. Im not sure the deal with the sentry guns in .4 to .1 but im pretty sure they are just eye candy(dunno though).
You will lose security rating though in .4 to .1 space if you attack somebody. And if you pod somebody you will lose even more. I am pretty sure the security rating loss is minimal in .4 from just attacking and gets even lower in .1 i would assume.
But the whole thing is a serious mess up. If they dont fix the whole thing soon I would be insulted.
If your -5 or lwoer you should be able to be attacked at any time anywhere without the attacker losing any faction standing. The lower that person sec rating like -4.99 to -0.1 you should less and less faction for attacking that person. So if I attack a -4.99 security rating person in .4 space my faction loss should be miniscule. If I attacks omebodyw ith only a -.1 sec rating then my faction loss should be greater but still not anything significant to make me a criminal myself.
The colors should be orange for -.1 to -4.9 and red for -5 to -10. It is only common sense to me . If osmebody is RED I should be able to kill them anywhere with no faction loss.
CMON NOW.
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:05:00 -
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Under .5 security empire space the sentry guns will not attack unless being attacked themselves I think. WHy they have sentry guns in .5 and lower if they dont protect their own citizens I have no idea. It just adds to the drunkeness of CCP.[/b]
Without addressing the rest of it, this part is wrong. Even in named 0.0 systems, if you attack someone with whome you aren't at war or doesn't have < -5 sec rating the sentries WILL fire on you, provided you are in range.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:11:00 -
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What an even more FUBAR'd mess then. How can an empire claim 0.0 space and we cant do anything about it? 0.0 space to me should be fair game for anyone. THis is kind of discerning the lack of thought that has gone into this mess.
Take NPC sentry guns out of 0.0 then.
And keep the damn empires in positive security space. A named system to me should be owned by someone then and some kind of security rating in place.
Yeah while I might not lose faction in 0.0 I still can get attacked by things we cant destroy. Please. Its your game CCP and if you wisht o make it a sensible game then I suggest we take like a week vacation from the game and think about it. I know usually when I take a break forms omething I get an enlightened view of it when I come back.
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Phony v2
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:21:00 -
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OK then yes you can't attack people in empire space near guns. Then why wasn't the person who attacked me ganked. This should def be fixed or it will cause alot of anger and problems
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ilisha amarr
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:24:00 -
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Topic needs some urgent clarification immediately, thereĘs going to be many an angry pilot.
Btwą did I miss a meeting or something? When did this go live? Was there any warning? |
Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 19/02/2004 22:26:45
Phony im with ya. I dont know wether to file a bug report on this whole mess of a system. Or hope somebody who isnt on LSD reads this.
*sin Ist grabs his shield and bulletproof vest
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:26:00 -
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Sin Ist man, if this was a test your posts would look like a gambling addict's pools coupon.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:47:00 -
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OK then yes you can't attack people in empire space near guns. Then why wasn't the person who attacked me ganked. This should def be fixed or it will cause alot of anger and problems
Because as I said... he was out of range for sentry guns.. they can only shoot up to distance of 65km
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:53:00 -
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i dont have time for a proper response atm, but almost everything sin 1st posted is completely wrong and will get you killed.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.19 22:53:00 -
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Sin Ist man, if this was a test your posts would look like a gambling addict's pools coupon.
I dont get it.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.19 23:01:00 -
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well, maybe i do have time.
first, the sentries most likely didnt respond 'cause you were out of range.
sentry gun range is 55km. they only respond to actions in the same grid. so, if someone attacks at the sun and then warps to a station/gate they will not be attacked. after initiating aggression in front of sentries players have to wait 15 minutes from their last aggression before returning into sentry gun range or they will be attacked.
.1-1.0 + named 0.0 systems: sentry guns will protect anyone with a security status higher than -5 that is attacked within their sight, or defend themselves if attacked or splashed. They attack the first aggressor and then the second, etc. people who are returning fire after being attacked do not count unless they attack someone that didn't attack them.
in addition sentry guns in .5 or higher will attack anyone under -5 regardless of whether they've shot at anyone.
concord will also respond in systems of .5 or higher.
in addition, concord will attack regardless of aggression:
people of -4.5 or lower in .5's
people of -4 or lower in .6's
people of -3.5 or lower in .7's
people of -3 or lower in .8's
people of -2.5 or lower in .9's
people of -2 or lower in 1.0s
You can ALWAYS attack people with lower than -5 SS without concord or guns interfering.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.19 23:05:00 -
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And regarding the wonky 0.0's:
According to a GM, the sentry guns react based on region, not SS. So, if the 0.0 is located in an empire controlled region they will protect you and people can still lose security status.. It's pretty easy to tell the difference between empire 0.0s and non-empire 0.0s: the empire ones are actually named (ie karan & hophib) whereas the non-empire ones are not (ie A2-V27, YZ-LQL). Also, I don't think any of the non-empire ones have guns anyway (except at stations).
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.19 23:07:00 -
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According to the last dev chat thing bracketing colors will be fixed shortly in a hotfix.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.19 23:08:00 -
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Thanks pooti spoken like a true PVP'er.
And just to let you know my name is Sin Ist not Sin 1st. So everything you said in your first post was WRONG. Hehe just bein annoying dont mind me.
What about faction standings? And whats the deal with noob named 0.0 systems. Was this brought on as an extension for the carebears to protect their indy;s from pirates.
*me has been playing for 4 days so dont take what I say as truth I am just posting what I have assumed. I think this system is OK if you dont lose faction in .5 or lower space and if you get rid of the 0.0 named systems in addition to about -100 people subscribing as they scream in fear of pirates. This is all good stuff to know though.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.19 23:12:00 -
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And just to let you know my name is Sin Ist not Sin 1st.
i wasnt sure if you just chose that 'cause someone had the 1 already or not :]
I'm not really sure how the faction standings work right now (or if they even do), hopefully someone else can fill in there.
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Hitgirls
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Posted - 2004.02.20 00:02:00 -
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people of -4.5 or lower in .5's
people of -4 or lower in .6's
people of -3.5 or lower in .7's
people of -3 or lower in .8's
people of -2.5 or lower in .9's
people of -2 or lower in 1.0s
hmm ive been told by gm and polaris that minimum ss in 1.0 is -2.49
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Phony v2
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Posted - 2004.02.20 00:52:00 -
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Sorry to not clarify this earlier. Everyone was within range of sentry guns. I was 9k from gate and he was like 21k from gate
So, there is def. a problem not just that he was out of range. This is problem and needs gm or polaris clarification please. |
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