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Jake Pliskin
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Posted - 2004.02.20 03:54:00 -
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No matter what country we live in ?
For uk and european countries the change to the charging of sub's fee's from dollars to euros means a significant price increase. (See my post in the price increase thread)
my sub's price will go up by nearly 10 uk pounds shortly,
and i've taken out 6 month subs. For those of you in the U.S. it's an increase of around 18 US Dollars
people in the united states get an increase of a couple US Dollars.
now come on.
'fraid i'll have to vote with my wallet
The online world is a global community, and therefore when it comes to paying recurring fee's, it's only sensible to suggest that all fee's that we pay are in the same currency
I was really looking forward to Shiva, and the good things to come, and i don't normally make posts like this, but i'm fuming and i know it's not CCP's fault.
But why do they have to start charging us in Euro's all of a sudden.
For example, i've subscribed to services at realnetworks using the realplayer software. By law they have to charge VAT on their subscription rates, so the rates went up but they still continued to charge using dollars, they did not switch over to charging in Euro's
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.02.20 04:04:00 -
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thank the nice people in the EU who waste their time making up pointless laws to save them from doing anything useful 
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.02.20 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: MooKids on 20/02/2004 04:44:33
Screw it, I don't even know what I was thinking when I first posted.
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SawedOffShot
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Posted - 2004.02.20 04:12:00 -
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Snappy bastard arnt ya lol. Well it does make sense in one way most international transactions are done in dollars. The dollar is the international currency. They don't try to copy the euro, or the zwoti, or what ever. But i do think he is kinda of a ***** to do it without explanation.
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Rapturea
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Posted - 2004.02.20 04:37:00 -
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hey moo, as you can see his said his sub will go up in POUNDS. doesnt look seems like hes an american to me, stop being such a biggoted moron and read the post.
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Chelsea rorec
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Posted - 2004.02.20 04:42:00 -
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No matter what country we live in ?
For uk and european countries the change to the charging of sub's fee's from dollars to euros means a significant price increase. (See my post in the price increase thread)
my sub's price will go up by nearly 10 uk pounds shortly,
and i've taken out 6 month subs. For those of you in the U.S. it's an increase of around 18 US Dollars
people in the united states get an increase of a couple US Dollars.
now come on.
'fraid i'll have to vote with my wallet
The online world is a global community, and therefore when it comes to paying recurring fee's, it's only sensible to suggest that all fee's that we pay are in the same currency
I was really looking forward to Shiva, and the good things to come, and i don't normally make posts like this, but i'm fuming and i know it's not CCP's fault.
But why do they have to start charging us in Euro's all of a sudden.
For example, i've subscribed to services at realnetworks using the realplayer software. By law they have to charge VAT on their subscription rates, so the rates went up but they still continued to charge using dollars, they did not switch over to charging in Euro's
So where did that come from?
you subscribed to realplayer ..ARE YOU INSANE ?
realplayer is THE DEVILS PROGRAM !!!!
BURN THE WITCH !!!
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.02.20 04:43:00 -
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hey moo, as you can see his said his sub will go up in POUNDS. doesnt look seems like hes an american to me, stop being such a biggoted moron and read the post.
Whoops, I seem to have missed that part, kind of out of it right now, will change my post accordingly.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.20 05:33:00 -
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I'm confused.
The sub prices are the same on both sides of the Atlantic .. weren't they before?
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.02.20 06:16:00 -
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I'm confused.
The sub prices are the same on both sides of the Atlantic .. weren't they before?
Just check how much the Ç-$ ratio is and you'll understand....
I think it's something like 1Ç = 1,3$
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.20 08:08:00 -
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I made a post in the dev blog yesterday adressed to Hellmar and I actually got an answer. The reason for the switch to EURO is that the exchange rate is what covers the VAT.
I redid the calculation and found that with the current exchange rate I am paying a fraction above 25% VAT, Danish VAT is 25%. This will obviously change depending on how strong the DKR is against the Euro, but since Denmark has an "exchange rate fixing" towards the EURO I do not see any chance I'll ever get below 25% or high above 25%.
It your national currency is stronger than the EURO your VAT is lower than mine, if not it can be higher.
For me Hellmars answer revealed the logic in it, I was just starring myself blind on the % I was paying more. They are covering the VAT via the exchange rate, that in itself is clever enough and a tad risky due to currency fluctuations.
I could illustrate this more. Say we still payed in USD. A non-european will be paying 14.95 USD since he does not have to pay VAT. Europeans will pay 14.95 USD + their VAT. According to the Directive residents are paying VAT according to their national VAT. If I use myself as an example I would be paying 14.95 * 1.25 = 18.68 USD. 14.95 EURO is approx. 19 USD so it evens out almost. Some will loose out a bit, others will win some, but overall it's actually a pretty neat way of doing it if you ask me.
So despite not liking this change I can't really hold it against CCP. The EU gets my hate and anger now.
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Torvus
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Posted - 2004.02.20 09:27:00 -
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thank the nice people in the USA who didnt help Europe during WW2 while we were fighting the one evil force at that time until they were attacked themselves.. 
Shut the hell up man, before you hurt yourself.
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.02.20 09:33:00 -
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I'm really not going to even bther trying to figure it out, as I live in the middle of thee atlantic, in a society that is a mixture of american and european things......Iceland 
Plus I think I pay in RL ISK 
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Astrid Tron
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Posted - 2004.02.20 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Astrid Tron on 20/02/2004 09:37:29
Judicator: That was a great explanation - it made more sense than all other posts on this matter that I have read.
I hereby dub thee 'Knight of Common Sense and Transparent Logics'. I wish more people would take their to think before posting.
SÕ er det bare surt at skulle betale 25% moms i Danmark - skal tyskerne betale tysk moms? Som jo er lavere... Det forstod jeg ikke helt...
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.02.20 10:09:00 -
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As I'm from Norway, I'm not part of the EU, but still european (at least last time I've checked the world map). I've paid online before, where EU-citizens have to pay tax. I didn't have to though. I've looked at my billing information, and it still says 35.85$ (3months). I'm wondering, it will still be like that for me? Is it a tax for the European citizens or the EU citizens?
If it's for the EU citizens, I'd say to all the EU players: "Vote NO next time!"
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.02.20 10:16:00 -
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Please keep this discussion in one threadm namely this one
Thank you 
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.20 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Astrid Tron on 20/02/2004 09:37:29
Judicator: That was a great explanation - it made more sense than all other posts on this matter that I have read.
I hereby dub thee 'Knight of Common Sense and Transparent Logics'. I wish more people would take their to think before posting.
SÕ er det bare surt at skulle betale 25% moms i Danmark - skal tyskerne betale tysk moms? Som jo er lavere... Det forstod jeg ikke helt...
Thank you for that fine title, but I actually fell for the rage myself. It was not untill Hellmar answered my post in the dev blog that common sense and transparant logic struck me in the head like a flyimg brick. I just stared myself totally blind on that exchange profit instead of trying to see beyond it.
in regards to your danish comment, yes, Germans would be German VAT. Germans however still use Euro as their currency so for them it is just a flat out 2 EURO increase to cover VAT and all. It's the rest of us not using EURo as national currency that gets mixed up in the exchange rate madness.
I think if CCP where to charge everyone exactly according to their national VAT as the directive says it would become a logisstic nightmare, and they would probably keep us in USD. Also for players it would be a nightmare, some would pay 16 USD, others 15 and others again 19 USD all depending on their VAT.
This approach is simple and elegant in design it almopst hurts, charge all europeans 14.95 EURO including VAT and use the exchange profit to cover the actuall VAT expense. Depending on fluctuations CCP will break even, loose out or gain something. But I can't really hold that against them, just as they might reap a slighyly increased profit due to exchange they can also loose out if it falls and have to use their standing capital to cover it.
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