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Ishtov
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Posted - 2007.10.06 14:58:00 -
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So I do about 525 Damage with my EMP Cruise missiles. My corp mate is flying a Hyperion with 350mm x 7. Best I can figure he gets about 54DPS (53.02). He is not pleased with the numbers that are popping up on the screen. When he is within 0 - 24km he never misses. The "screen numbers" range from 34 - 67 damage.
What is the difference between the numbers on the screen, and actual DPS.
He also doesn't want to get close. I keep telling him to use Neutrons x 7 and get up in their face, but he wants to shoot from about 24km or so.
What do you all think. I have read every post about PVP Hyp/Dominix setup that I can find. I just cant understand why he is not happy with 50DPS. Of course the numbers could be higher, but he wants a higher number to appear on his screen.
Is it possable to get 100 damage out of a hybrid blaster/rail? Or I should say, is it possable to get the screen damage display to say "Your 350mm blaster hits your mom for 112.6 damage"?????
Thanks
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Amuko
Amarr
Happy Little Roid Huggers
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:07:00 -
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The damage that pops up isn't your dps. And 50dps would be pathetic for any BS, my tech I frigs can do that much. I'm pretty sure he does more then 50dps, but, yes, his dps is low, he's not fitting the best guns, and he probably uses tech I guns? (difference between tech I and tech II guns is big).
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Ibaneez
Amarr
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:11:00 -
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he can do 3 things
1 get a better fitting
2 get his gunnery skills up
3 DRAW HIGH NRS ON HIS SCREEN WITH A MARKER
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MrBadidea
Caldari
The Children of Lilith
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Ibaneez
he can do 3 things
1 get a better fitting
2 get his gunnery skills up
3 DRAW HIGH NRS ON HIS SCREEN WITH A MARKER
NOES. THE SEEKRIT TO UBERTANKING MY CHIMERA IS OUT.
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Captain Sonata
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:15:00 -
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Download, and use EFT -- for all your DPS/Tanking needs.
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Satura
Caldari
Mucho Dolor
The Insomniacs
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:16:00 -
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He could get neutrons and load them with faction ammo. Than he will be able to shoot from 10-20 km's and see cool numbers on his screen. :) |
Bosie
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:17:00 -
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Take the ammo types damage and times that by the fitted guns damage modifier. Then times this by the number of guns you have then divide it by the rate of fire.
This gives you your DPS.
Hyperion is all about a heavy tank with blasters, if he wants a rail platform he should think about getting a Rokh.
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Ishtov
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:32:00 -
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Thanks for the EFT! That is the greatest program!
I will work on dps numbers and such. Thanks for your replys.
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Edriahn
Gallente
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:56:00 -
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But how exactly a hyperion could do 50DPS with 350s? You know you could fit it with more than one turret,don't you?
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Praxis1452
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:00:00 -
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tell your friend that he shouldn't be gallente if all he wants to do is go shoot things from 25km out. Also tell him to stop whining about how huge the numbers are on his screen it really doesn't mean that much in comparison to DPS which if he fitted blasters would be great.
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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Edriahn
But how exactly a hyperion could do 50DPS with 350s? You know you could fit it with more than one turret,don't you?
My guess is that OP did not know how to calculate dps - and thus you should not take the original post too seriously.
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Elodie Belanger
Moonlight Sonata
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:40:00 -
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He probably just thought DPS meant damage per shot, give him a break.
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Gleams that untravell'd world, whose margin fades
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Edriahn
Gallente
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:45:00 -
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Easiest way to calculate is EFT.
But I don;t understand what's the real problem here. haw you fight from 24km if your target don't want to stay in 24km?
If you fly a Hyperion you sould at least know that "screen numbers" mean a little, there are other things than numbers.
425mm/Neutron blasters could easily do a 400-500dmg hit on missions ot ratting, but in PVP things are different.
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Ishtov
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:04:00 -
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To calculate DPS I used EVE geeks hybrid turret calculator just like it told me to. Maybe that was wrong, but it said with 6 neutron blasters the DPS was 86.27.
With his skills EFT says 325 for 7x Neutron blaster I's.
I was wrong in he was using a Megathron not a Hyperion. This number is without any thing in the low or meds adding to damage or whatever.
His tank works wonders... but we still cant figure out why a destroyer (not even outfitted well) does more damage....
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:05:00 -
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Dps is the taking of his normal hits*the amount of guns/by the time...I think you can come up with the average shot by the amount of damage the ammo does*damage mod,but i dont usually try.
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Detrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.07 13:27:00 -
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What is he shooting at? Big targets give higher damage results then trying to shoot small frigs.
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Jasai Kameron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 13:35:00 -
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You have to figure in resistances.
My ship may do 1000 theoretical dps, which is what most people mean when they talk about dps, but if I'm hitting something with 70% resistances, I'll only be doing 300 effective dps.
The numbers that pop up on your screen are effective damage per shot. This is a completely different stat than effective damage per second. And also a completely different stat than theoretical dps.
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Soultaker Angel
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Posted - 2007.10.07 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ibaneez
he can do 3 things
1 get a better fitting
2 get his gunnery skills up
3 DRAW HIGH NRS ON HIS SCREEN WITH A MARKER
Owned.
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Xanstin
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.07 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ishtov
To calculate DPS I used EVE geeks hybrid turret calculator just like it told me to. Maybe that was wrong, but it said with 6 neutron blasters the DPS was 86.27.
With his skills EFT says 325 for 7x Neutron blaster I's.
I was wrong in he was using a Megathron not a Hyperion. This number is without any thing in the low or meds adding to damage or whatever.
His tank works wonders... but we still cant figure out why a destroyer (not even outfitted well) does more damage....
325 is crap for a megathron. 325 is crap for any battleship. If you want to tank, fly a dominix. When both are fully tankfitted the dominix can do more dps. Tell your friend to put damage mods in (megathron without damage mods is a sin, even more so with neutrons) and to use drones too.
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XXJackXX
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Posted - 2007.10.07 17:19:00 -
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350mm rail on hype isnt a good idea and if he wants to shoot 24km fit neutrons+null will be able to shoot 20km with better damage.and 50damage just wonder if he fits irons on that guns without damage mod or hitting to %90 resistance?i can hit more with my light neutron blasters
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.10.07 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ibaneez
3 DRAW HIGH NRS ON HIS SCREEN WITH A MARKER
I'm laughing hard enough to make my roommate concerned for me.. tyvm 
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Ibaneez
Amarr
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.11.12 01:17:00 -
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your welcome :)
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.12 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 12/11/2007 02:58:06
5x ion blaster cannon II's + 2x electron blaster cannon II's.... 700dps give or take.
4x ogre II another 250dps give or take.
2x large armor repairer II
2x energized adaptive nano membrane II
1x Damage control II
1x magnetic field stabilzer II
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quad lif booster rockets
X5 prototype l engine enervator
warp disruptor II
two medium electrochemical cap injectors with 800 cap charges
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the above mentioned guns and drones
6x ion
2x electron
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You should be looking at 800-900dps depending on skills.
should be able to tank 700 some odd dps.
hyperion as a rail platform makes me cry use a mega for that.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 03:44:00 -
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Unholy Necro of Doom.
Also, you know you've been posting way too much when you realize a thread is a necro because you saw it a month before.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.12 03:46:00 -
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It's only a month old...
Love to the Assault Frigate! |
Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
It's only a month old...
Did you see any redeeming purpose to bring this thread up again?
I didn't, it's a necro.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.12 05:14:00 -
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Notice the fact i wasnt the one that necroed it.. kthxbai.
Love to the Assault Frigate! |
Ibaneez
Amarr
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:14:00 -
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you may call me necromancer from now one, :D
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Major Stallion
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Acoco Osiris
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
It's only a month old...
Did you see any redeeming purpose to bring this thread up again?
I didn't, it's a necro.
and thats why you're not a forum mod....stfu
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Altaica Amur
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Posted - 2007.11.13 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Altaica Amur on 13/11/2007 21:35:00
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350mm rail on hype isnt a good idea and if he wants to shoot 24km fit neutrons+null will be able to shoot 20km with better damage.and 50damage just wonder if he fits irons on that guns without damage mod or hitting to %90 resistance?i can hit more with my light neutron blasters
This, surprisingly enough isn't true at all, unless you're in a Rokh getting out to even 20km with blasters is madness that will result in shooting very far into falloff, don't do it, you'll regret it. The reason for this is simple, the neutron blaster has to use iron to reach out to 8.4km where the 350mm is quite happy using antimatter to pwn at 40km this was placed on the same hyperion with loads of tracking computers to give the blasters a chance to reach the needed range. 350mm rails are actually very good for missions but they do require some gunnery skills to not be crap, your corp mate might be better in a myrmidon or domi for a while if he wants to do more DPS while waiting for his gunnery skills to get up there.
And yes it is possible to make bigger hits then that with rails ( thank god ) as demonstrated here with my sniper setup:
2007.11.13 21:32:27 Combat Your 425mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon places an excellent hit on Serpentis Port Admiral, inflicting 253.7 damage.
I was using Thorium ammo in this case to reach into the ~100km range so that should largely make up for the benefits of having 425mm rails and some mag stabs in the lows.
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