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Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 721	Posted - 2012.01.23 04:52:00 - [31] - Quote Could be worse.. you could be living out of 1dh while going on lame ass frig gate-camps. oh wait. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
That Handsome Frog Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.01.23 04:55:00 - [32] - Quote 1. My 7(ish?) month old char = flies all faction bships. 2. I have lost 1 type of bship for each faction except Caldari.( Never even bought a Caldari bship. DON'T QUESTION ME I CAN DO WHAT I WANT! ) 3. Apoc navy issue lost since a friend bet me I wouldn't dare gank a hulk in it =P. 5. Lost a Mach, but that was because of server lag 6. This went from pro cross training to why you should focus less on winning. Even a sandbox can have an endgame. 7. Skipped 4 8. Lost a Mach, but that was because of server lag 9. NEVER PLAYED A BETTER GAME IN MY LIFE. 10. Lastly, I will <3 you ccp if you let me use my Abaddon (current ship flavor of the week) to "interact" with the Dust 514 players in my own special way.
Tepir BALKAN EXPRESS 45	Posted - 2012.01.23 05:23:00 - [33] - Quote Andski wrote: sell your character buy a PvP character done there's your solution... its that easy! Its allways cheaper to do this than wait for a year doin something you dont like to train your character for something you would like..... and when you do it it will not be nearly good as one sold as focused pvp characters !! Even if you get few mil sp less than your own toon , or lose some bil isk in process imo its worth doin it if you are serious about your new career as cruel coldblooded razor . But a tip. If you care about amount of isk in your wallet , ships you have... or if only you wanted to join 0.0 alliances for incursion and ratting in belt... i would stay in High Sec f i were you .
Tore Vest Vikinghall 151	Posted - 2012.01.23 05:35:00 - [34] - Quote Stay with us carebears in highsec..... Highsec is a nice place
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 819	Posted - 2012.01.23 07:47:00 - [35] - Quote If you really want to learn to PvP find a lowsec corp - either a Faction Warfare corporation or a pirate corporation - you'll learn far more about ship-to-ship PvP (as suppose to giant capital fights or boring structure shoots). In lowsec, not having to worry about spies and not having to deal with Sov maintenance means there is a lot less political interference, and a lot more regular fighting. Every PvP corp that's worth anything will involve a bit of hazing and waiting - you may have to fight alongside the corp you want to join a bit before they'll accept you, but its still possible to get on board if you show that you're serious. Alliance requirements for fleets are often quite cookie cutter - and you'll learn quickly how to take orders but it will be harder in the long run to learn to think for yourself in a PvP engagement. Low sec PvP is a bit steeper to get into, because more individual thinking is required out of each pilot in the gang, but the skill level can often exceed that of Alliance pilots who, like I said, are used to reliance on prescribed fits and following strict orders. So yeah, those are your two options. If an alliance will actually take you, you might have a bit of an easier time since you can become a cog in the machine pretty quickly and might receive more easy-to-learn instruction upfront. But if you seek out PvP training in nullsec - the learning curve will be steeper but you'll turn out a better pilot in the long run - because you'll learn how to fight a much wider variety of ships than you'd find in nullsec. Experienced low sec FC's know how to use all the ship types that "X up" for a roam - and will most certainly have a place for your caldari training. The main problem with Caldari is that shields don't scale well with massive fleet engagements - once you're at the battleship level armor tanking is the norm. Thus, the alliances won't have much patience for you bringing an off-tank ship to a fleet. However, in lowsec, roaming gangs of frigates, cruisers, and battlecruisers are commonplace, and ships such as Tengu's, Drakes, Blackbirds, Falcons, Naga's, and Hookbill's are used with deadly effect. Ultimately you'll just have to decide which fleet size / challenge level you want to begin learning PvP at. I always prefer smaller fleet work myself, because victory revolves more around which gang exhibits greater talent, as supposed to which superpower shows up with greater numbers. Don't be fooled into thinking that 0.0 is the ultimate destination for PvP. It's just the ultimate destination for one kind of PvP. Also, anyone telling you that you must sell your toon because you trained Caldari and want to PvP has no idea what they are talking about. If you love Caldari ships, there is a corp and an FC that will use you. I guarantee it.
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 300	Posted - 2012.01.23 08:20:00 - [36] - Quote I doubt it is your skills , like a earlier poster said , drake fleets and now naga s are populair , and a good falcon pilot always is welcome, Main problem here is trust , those nullsec alliances have become so paranoid about spies and possible leaks they almost stopped recruiting outside their own group of people And then they complain nobody wants to go to nullsec I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 275	Posted - 2012.01.23 08:30:00 - [37] - Quote Your trying to join the wrong corporations, we fly Scorpions, Drakes, Nagas, Blackbirds, Falcons etc all teh time. DOnt try and band all coprs and alliances under one ridiculous badly painted banner. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1257	Posted - 2012.01.23 08:53:00 - [38] - Quote OP, if you're dead set against crosstraining, you'll have a rough time of it. Suck it up, train Basi, Scimi, and Guardian, and nobody will complain about your training schedule again. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox. 5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes.
B DeLeon DeLeon Industries 26	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:41:00 - [39] - Quote You should learn a tackler t2 frigate or faction frigate. It's just a few weeks. Tacklers are needed everywhere and they fit in every fleet composition. After that you should give another try to join a corp. As a second step guardian and scimitar. Everybody loves logi pilots and in most of the null corps usually they have ship reimbursement programm on those ships so flying those things is healthy for your wallet too.
March rabbit Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx 116	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:50:00 - [40] - Quote Ronk Cho Fat wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Didn't you know?! Because nobody wants you in null-sec. they must want me a lot because I still get ton of mails asking to join posting in thread "i want attention guys!". you got it. You won Eve. Now get out. /c
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 499	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:11:00 - [41] - Quote I only fly Amarr ships, I pride myself that I have never flown anything non Amarr (unless you count beta). Although lately I have been wondering if perhaps flying pirate ships is cool. Anyway, if you have been flying for 4 years you should have all basic skills skilled up, changing to another race ships wouldn't be that hard you only have to train a few specific skills. And these days a Rokh should be able to be an acceptable fleet ship in some situations? Ditto for scorpions or widows. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 824	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:26:00 - [42] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Ronk Cho Fat wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Didn't you know?! Because nobody wants you in null-sec. they must want me a lot because I still get ton of mails asking to join posting in thread "i want attention guys!". you got it. You won Eve. Now get out. /c Hahahaha! To summarize: 1) Nullsec players complain about carebears never PvPing. 2) Nullsec players grief endlessly to "help" carebears learn to move to 0.0, cause out there its "totally awesome bro" 3) Carebear responds to griefer "stimulus", decides his bearing days are over, asks for help becoming a PvPer. 4) Nullsec player complains that carebear is merely whining for attention and needs to GTFO. In no other game will you enjoy the privilege of being harassed by other players, actually decide do what they say they want you to do, and than receive even more harassment. Don't forget everyone, THIS is what they all say makes EvE so unique and special!! Its so "hardcore" that real badasses can pretend they're in fight club and ignore those who want to play while hypocritically complaining that they're not "actually" playing in the first place. That's why we're all here right? Certainly not to build empires, topple empires, tell stories, strive to become the best PvP pilot, run your own business, or any of that other ******** stuff people do when they're bored of antagonizing noobs.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 239	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:37:00 - [43] - Quote lol Hans you idiot
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1259	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:38:00 - [44] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: March rabbit wrote: Ronk Cho Fat wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Didn't you know?! Because nobody wants you in null-sec. they must want me a lot because I still get ton of mails asking to join posting in thread "i want attention guys!". you got it. You won Eve. Now get out. /c Hahahaha! To summarize: 1) Nullsec players complain about carebears never PvPing. 2) Nullsec players grief endlessly to "help" carebears learn to move to 0.0, cause out there its "totally awesome bro" 3) Carebear responds to griefer "stimulus", decides his bearing days are over, asks for help becoming a PvPer. 4) Nullsec player complains that carebear is merely whining for attention and needs to GTFO. In no other game will you enjoy the privilege of being harassed by other players, actually decide do what they say they want you to do, and than receive even more harassment. Don't forget everyone, THIS is what they all say makes EvE so unique and special!! Its so "hardcore" that real badasses can pretend they're in fight club and ignore those who want to play while hypocritically complaining that they're not "actually" playing in the first place. That's why we're all here right? Certainly not to build empires, topple empires, tell stories, strive to become the best PvP pilot, run your own business, or any of that other ******** stuff people do when they're bored of antagonizing noobs. You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox. 5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes.
Ronk Cho Fat State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:12:00 - [45] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: March rabbit wrote: Ronk Cho Fat wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Didn't you know?! Because nobody wants you in null-sec. they must want me a lot because I still get ton of mails asking to join posting in thread "i want attention guys!". you got it. You won Eve. Now get out. /c Hahahaha! To summarize: 1) Nullsec players complain about carebears never PvPing. 2) Nullsec players grief endlessly to "help" carebears learn to move to 0.0, cause out there its "totally awesome bro" 3) Carebear responds to griefer "stimulus", decides his bearing days are over, asks for help becoming a PvPer. 4) Nullsec player complains that carebear is merely whining for attention and needs to GTFO. In no other game will you enjoy the privilege of being harassed by other players, actually decide do what they say they want you to do, and than receive even more harassment. Don't forget everyone, THIS is what they all say makes EvE so unique and special!! Its so "hardcore" that real badasses can pretend they're in fight club and ignore those who want to play while hypocritically complaining that they're not "actually" playing in the first place. That's why we're all here right? Certainly not to build empires, topple empires, tell stories, strive to become the best PvP pilot, run your own business, or any of that other ******** stuff people do when they're bored of antagonizing noobs. You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. thinking this will be good thread summary
Valei Khurelem 199	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:16:00 - [46] - Quote Quote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. Sorry, but you shouldn't even have to adapt in a game claiming to be a sandbox. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1259	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:19:00 - [47] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: Quote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. Sorry, but you shouldn't even have to adapt in a game claiming to be a sandbox. You missed a word. "Multiplayer Sandbox" If I want to piss in your cheerios every morning, it's up to you to decide if you want soggy cheerios or, if not, how you are going to keep your cereal dry. Adapt, or embrace the Grylls. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox. 5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes.
Ronk Cho Fat State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:23:00 - [48] - Quote this is ok everybody I joined losec corp toinght
Valei Khurelem 199	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:24:00 - [49] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Valei Khurelem wrote: Quote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. Sorry, but you shouldn't even have to adapt in a game claiming to be a sandbox. You missed a word. "Multiplayer Sandbox" If I want to piss in your cheerios every morning, it's up to you to decide if you want soggy cheerios or, if not, how you are going to keep your cereal dry. Adapt, or embrace the Grylls. hi, I shouldn't be punished in a sandbox just because I don't immediately cater to YOUR playstyle. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1259	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:30:00 - [50] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: RubyPorto wrote: Valei Khurelem wrote: Quote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. Sorry, but you shouldn't even have to adapt in a game claiming to be a sandbox. You missed a word. "Multiplayer Sandbox" If I want to piss in your cheerios every morning, it's up to you to decide if you want soggy cheerios or, if not, how you are going to keep your cereal dry. Adapt, or embrace the Grylls. hi, I shouldn't be punished in a sandbox just because I don't immediately cater to YOUR playstyle. Didn't say you had to cater. Just said you have to deal with me and mine. And you keep missing the important word when you describe the Multiplayer Sandbox that is EvE. Here's a really good post on the subject. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox. 5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes.
Jalmari Huitsikko draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 17	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:35:00 - [51] - Quote DRAKETRAIN RECRUITING - ACCEPT EVERYONE - KICK EVERYONE - NO REQUIREMENT, JUST DONT BE USELESS - MAYBE ALSO TAKING MEXICAN
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 826	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:36:00 - [52] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. "You cannot PvP in Caldari ships" is in NO WAY advice that helps anyone "adapt". It is narrow-minded horseshit. There are plenty of viable Caldari ships that can be PvP'd with, even if your alliance hasn't taught you how to fly them yet.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1261	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:42:00 - [53] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: RubyPorto wrote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. "You cannot PvP in Caldari ships" is in NO WAY advice that helps anyone "adapt". It is narrow-minded horseshit. There are plenty of viable Caldari ships that can be PvP'd with, even if your alliance hasn't taught you how to fly them yet. I agree that there are plenty of great Caldari ships for PvP. However, there are not great Caldari ships for every fleet doctrine, and to ask to join a group while saying "I won't crosstrain to help the group" is a little insane. Sov Nullsec is not somewhere RPers tend to thrive (Provi Bloc doesn't count 'cause Provi). We crosstrain because we need Batman's utility belt to be full of available and useful doctrines (Drake Blob and Thundercats are both great ones). Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox. 5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes.
Gerald Taric F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION 29	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:46:00 - [54] - Quote this seems a little bit strange to me. So you have trained Caldari skills up to "good" in addition to some "productive skills". Sounds good, because you trained 4 years long (?). Some of you skills must be somehow outstanding. Now some 0-sec-corporations do not accept your application, because you've trained the "wrong" skills? Where's the problem to just train these required skills from now on? If the adressed 0-sec-corp still refuses to accept you, then (my conclusion) they also do not want newbies, because they also start from Zero. I read some statements some months ago - if i rember right, from an official page here - like: "You can't train the wrong skills. There are only skills, you haven't trained so far." With that in mind, i suggest one of the followings: * pause the training queue for "Naga" for some time. It's not lost. You may pick up it again later on. Maybe some time in the future CCP mades some rebalancing and suddenly your skills are relevant. * seek for another 0-sec-corporation, who have use for you current professions and skills. * stay whereever you are now until you trained your "Naga" * look for a low-sec-corporation An additional remark: In my opinnion it should be irrelevant, from which country a player cames from as long as he/she is able to communicate with the others. Only thing to consider seems to be the time zones, depending on the goals of the corporation.
Tallian Saotome Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 347	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:50:00 - [55] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: RubyPorto wrote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. "You cannot PvP in Caldari ships" is in NO WAY advice that helps anyone "adapt". It is narrow-minded horseshit. There are plenty of viable Caldari ships that can be PvP'd with, even if your alliance hasn't taught you how to fly them yet. Fleet doctrines exist for the same reason real life armies use standardized equipment. You make sure every soldier has consistent performance based on gear, and its much more effective to work that way than with everyone showing up with the gun his daddy gave him. Additionally, even he said in the OP that he wasn't told caldari can't pvp, he was told he would be expected to fly a scorp(ECM is what caldari bring to pvp, and they are dam good at it if you fly an ECM boat). We don't like most of the other caldari ships for large scale engagements because missiles generate more lag than guns, as we were told by CCP, so we don't want every ship shooting missiles and making the issue worse for us. If you want to come out and join up, you will be expected to be able to fly in at least 2 doctrine fleets, caldari can provide Scorps, brobirds, falcons, etc. All ECM, which he stated he didn't want to do because its boring. You want to make things blow up in a major fleet, fly the ships they want you to. Insist on being a special snowflake, and you will restrict your own roles. I know all this as a gallente pilot who lives in null. The only Gallente ships welcome in doctrine fleets are Lachesis, which is an expensive loss every time you go out(people hate them long points). o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/`
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 829	Posted - 2012.01.23 13:08:00 - [56] - Quote Thanks Tallian, Ruby - And this is exactly why many of us just don't find nullsec thrilling. In lowsec, the lack of the massive fleet battles means that corps don't have to rely on specified doctrines to achieve victory, and players can make use of the skill points they have rather than being forced to wait to crosstrain to become useful. The result is frequent, smaller scale PvP that is both fun, challenging, and can be done in a much wider variety of ships. I don't think its unreasonable to ask alliance members to fly certain ships to protect their territory, but that's exactly space outside of nullsec is important to develop as well, in the interest of providing cutting-edge PvP in all flavors. I only say this because there's still a bunch of folks out there hung up on the idea that EvE is all about 0.0 and that those who don't move to 0.0 are somehow risk-adverse or have carebear tendencies. I think its best that when PvE players are at a cross-roads like the OP was that they understand that there are just as many things (like forced ship compositions) that make nullsec not very fun, and that if he's looking for quality PvP training that lowsec is just as good a place to apply.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 2638	Posted - 2012.01.23 13:58:00 - [57] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: The main problem with Caldari is that shields don't scale well with massive fleet engagements - once you're at the battleship level armor tanking is the norm. Yeah, no. Rokhs are pretty popular now actually. Better range than Hellcats, and the advantage that shield RR is applied at the start of the cycle rather than the end mean that shield BS are used plenty. And of coure the Maelstrom is the stalwart ship of the Alphafleet doctrine. The railgun buff - particularly the reductions in fitting & cap requirements - have made Rokhs a very viable fleet ship again. And as said above, the Naga is pretty damb good too, and I think it will get even more popular as time goes by. And ofc the Drake is a great workhorse for almost any type of PvP situation. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Jafit McJafitson Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 181	Posted - 2012.01.23 14:18:00 - [58] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: Quote: You missed step 3.5) Carebear refuses to accept advice to help him adapt. Sorry, but you shouldn't even have to adapt in a game claiming to be a sandbox. You managed to post something so dumb that I actually dropped a few IQ points because I read it. Now I have to go watch reality television.
ovenproofjet The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated 36	Posted - 2012.01.23 14:25:00 - [59] - Quote Because of Falcon....
Ptraci StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound. 308	Posted - 2012.01.23 15:28:00 - [60] - Quote Ronk Cho Fat wrote: I would like to stop being a silly carebear. Then stop. Quit trying to join corps full of snobs with sticks up their arses and go make a name for yourself in a less prestigious corp. There is PVP everywhere in null. There is no such thing as a "non" pvp corp there - at least not for long. Any corp that claims to be so uber-leet that they don't need a new body in the fleet is probably full of some idiot's ego and nothing more. You will not learn anything there except to suck up to said ego. Join a mediocre corp in a big alliance and participate. There will be more CTAs than you can handle and more roams than you can handle. The problem seems to be you want to be told what to do. Then when they tell you to f-off you don't like it. Stop trying to be what you think others want you to be.

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