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Bent Broadside	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:04:00 - [1] Short version: What are my options for a good performing missile boat for pvp? I don't have a high income. Long version: Hey folks. I'm a fairly new player who can't get enough of watching his missiles crash into the side of his adversaries. I haven't yet acquired the knack for fitting out ships or analyzing their potential side by side. Even still, I've looked into a few different ships with lots of launcher hardpoints for some ideas, and I have a few questions. If you could address a few of them, that'd be great. When doing so, you should know that I'm looking into mid-game setups (3-4 mil skill points) with enough umph to be fun for pvp. I probably won't have an income to be able to afford larger ships (i.e. battleships), but they are still something to look forward to as a possibility. And, silly as it sounds, the look of the ship matters to me. :P 1. Should I look into larger, slower craft with lots of hp and hardpoints (i.e. Sacrilege, Raven, Caracal), or smaller, faster craft to do my dirtywork (i.e. Breacher, Kestrel, Vengeance). 2. Are missile-based interceptors feasible, or should I just stop chasing that dream? 3. Do the Gallente or Amarr even have any ships that will perform well as missile platforms in pvp? Thanks very much for your feedback!
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:12:00 - [2] fly a few different ships to find out what YOU like. Different people prefer different things. Missile Based interceptors are great. In pvp you will more likely see gallente than caldari. Amarr has recently gotten a boost and some of their ships are pretty nice. In comparison I'd say overall gallente and amarr have better ships than caldari for pvp simply because of the damage output and the need for close range in pirating. But that's pirating.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:13:00 - [3] If you're dreaming about ceptors, go Crow. Other choice: the drake is quite low SP friendly. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Bent Broadside	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:18:00 - [4] Thanks for the quick tip. I'm not a fan of the way Caldari ships look, so the Gallente/Amarr news is good news. Should I consider the threads in the Ship Setups Index sticky above sound even though they're dated? The ship layouts in them rarely favor missiles. The various setups in the Sacrilege thread (for instance) don't have any that rely principally upon missiles for damage.
Bent Broadside	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:21:00 - [5] Edited by: Bent Broadside on 07/10/2007 00:23:06 Originally by: Sorja If you're dreaming about ceptors, go Crow. Other choice: the drake is quite low SP friendly. The Crow looks to be very missile friendly. Is it true that interceptors can occasionally take out cruisers (like it says in their lore)? Does outfitting them for tackling detract much from their ability to take on larger ships? The Drake: now there's a sick looking Caldari vessel. I could love that one.
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Bent Broadside Edited by: Bent Broadside on 07/10/2007 00:23:06 Originally by: Sorja If you're dreaming about ceptors, go Crow. Other choice: the drake is quite low SP friendly. The Crow looks to be very missile friendly. Is it true that interceptors can occasionally take out cruisers (like it says in their lore)? Does outfitting them for tackling detract much from their ability to take on larger ships? The Drake: now there's a sick looking Caldari vessel. I could love that one. The drake is great for mission running. In fact it can't be beat in it's tank. The raven does mroe DPS and finishes L4's faster but it's tank is somewhat lacking without faction gear. Anyway the crow can take down cruisers so yes. If they are repping you might run out of cap booster charges before their tank breaks.
Bent Broadside	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:44:00 - [7] Drakes and Crows, then? Thanks for the help, guys!
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:59:00 - [8] Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 07/10/2007 01:59:57 As for #3: Other races' ships are almost always preferred for PvP, due to several handicaps of Caldari ships. Problem is is that Caldari specialize in long-range always-hitting weapons, so to keep the game balanced, they have to be slow and heavy. This is a problem in a game where speed is often key to PvP sucess. In particular, the Caldari have few good solo boats, because they have to compromise between tank and tackle/Ewar (and fitting an MWD), and are slower than most. Of course, in support roles, many Caldari ships shine. As for the imbalance of speedy missile boats-think the Crow. This is the only interceptor which can hit anything while MWDing. The turret interceptors are going way too fast for their guns to track, but the Crow doesn't need to worry because its missiles hit every time. Fortunately the Crow has a few disadvantages which keep it relatively balanced. However, if most Caldari ships became faster and lighter... I shudder at the horror tales of the dual-MWD Ravens back during EVE's infancy. EDIT: But don't let this scare you away from PvPing in Caldari ships. You merely have to be a bit creative to work around the Caldari handicaps, and play to their strengths (and working in a gang can't hurt). ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Acoco Osiris However, if most Caldari ships became faster and lighter... I like how you lead off like it would be the end of the world, and then come up with: Quote: I shudder at the horror tales of the dual-MWD Ravens back during EVE's infancy. Yes, it was wtfimba - that's why it was removed. Those times are gone - and there's nothing in today's game mechanics that would make a lighter / more agile / somewhat faster Caldari race overpowered. Quote: EDIT: But don't let this scare you away from PvPing in Caldari ships. You merely have to be a bit creative to work around the Caldari handicaps, and play to their strengths (and working in a gang can't hurt). I'd give any serious PVP'er the same advice someone gave me: Train Another Race. It worked for me... I fly Gallente and I like it lots. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Bent Broadside	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Acoco Osiris Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 07/10/2007 01:59:57 As for #3: Other races' ships are almost always preferred for PvP, due to several handicaps of Caldari ships. I guess my question then becomes which missile-based vessels of the other races are competitive in pvp?
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:39:00 - [11] Khanid Shipyards Amarr boats specialize in short-range missiles, and Minmatar often have split weaponry. Other than that, it's Caldari, Caldari, and Caldari. Did I mention Caldari? ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Bent Broadside Originally by: Acoco Osiris Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 07/10/2007 01:59:57 As for #3: Other races' ships are almost always preferred for PvP, due to several handicaps of Caldari ships. I guess my question then becomes which missile-based vessels of the other races are competitive in pvp? Lach, Sacrilege. Erm, Drake's pretty nice too, don't get me wrong... ;-) Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Bent Broadside	Posted - 2007.10.07 16:34:00 - [13] Thanks for the help; you've all given me a bit to think about. Cheers!

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