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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 06:05:00 -
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Due to certain abuses of a particular mechanic of a certain complex that make it impossible to complete, I've scheduled an inconvenient operation for Thursday.
The op will be open to all players, sort of as a player run "event" and I would invite GMs and Devs to observe as well.
If you have the ability to fire off FOF missiles for more than an hour and would like to make some cash/grief farmers, please Evemail me for information.
There will be LOTS of salvage available, depending on the number of ships we can have in the operation.
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Alvin Elte
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Posted - 2007.10.08 06:21:00 -
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i need more info please. will i be suiciding. will i get stuff. what time? etc.
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2007.10.08 07:10:00 -
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I am so there.
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 11:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Alvin Elte
i need more info please. will i be suiciding. will i get stuff. what time? etc.
The only thing you may be asked to sacrifice is time/fof missiles.
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Janus Veyron
Veyron Group
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Posted - 2007.10.08 11:56:00 -
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I find this zealotism against macro'ers pretty.....sad.
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Janus Veyron
I find this zealotism against macro'ers pretty.....sad.
I think you've missed the point. We do it because it's fun, not because we're zealots.
50% of all online communications are supposedly misinterpreted. I think maybe you've gone and done that.
Hey man, if you don't want to get in to the game, why play?
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Susan Acid
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Janus Veyron
I find this zealotism against macro'ers pretty.....sad.
Yeah 'cos we should just tolerate them and their EULA breaking,chat spamming,Isk selling buddies.Right?
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:10:00 -
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What time Thursday? (game time)
A bit more info and i might be tempted. 
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:11:00 -
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A very nice initiative. Count me in :D
Call to arms!!! |
Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Morrow Disca
What time Thursday? (game time)
A bit more info and i might be tempted.
More info will be forthcoming.
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Camaro
Gallente
The Iron Hand
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:35:00 -
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Count me in
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:49:00 -
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What time? I'd love to attend 
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.10.08 12:53:00 -
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I gave up the good fight a long time ago because CCP make it routinely and continuously more and increasingly more difficult to hurt the farmers. And the speed at which they introduce protection for the farmers increases also, it was blatant a year ago, now it is just insulting.
I would still target farmers, if I though I could make an impact. When I first started against them I saw the price of isk go up by $4 per 100 million.
Then when Invention protected them by dropping prices of Expanders / miners / hulks / occators the price of isk plummeted, demonstrating that they could no longer be hurt financially by direct action, as the volumes of isk traded were too high.
So this plot of yours, scaled against say, a 5 mackinaw smartbomb run (also made impossible - thanks again CCP) does how much damage to farmers?
If you're telling me that I can make a significant impact, I may well come in on this, but if this is more publicity than isk impact, CCP gave there answer on dealing with them. "No". And this won't help.
How much farmer damage are we talking here?
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
I gave up the good fight a long time ago because CCP make it routinely and continuously more and increasingly more difficult to hurt the farmers. And the speed at which they introduce protection for the farmers increases also, it was blatant a year ago, now it is just insulting.
I would still target farmers, if I though I could make an impact. When I first started against them I saw the price of isk go up by $4 per 100 million.
Then when Invention protected them by dropping prices of Expanders / miners / hulks / occators the price of isk plummeted, demonstrating that they could no longer be hurt financially by direct action, as the volumes of isk traded were too high.
So this plot of yours, scaled against say, a 5 mackinaw smartbomb run (also made impossible - thanks again CCP) does how much damage to farmers?
If you're telling me that I can make a significant impact, I may well come in on this, but if this is more publicity than isk impact, CCP gave there answer on dealing with them. "No". And this won't help.
How much farmer damage are we talking here?
We plan to lock up the complex so badly that farmers will not be able to kill anything. An all day lagbomb would be even better.
The pre-plan is to make it so impossible for them to get into the containers or kill anything that they miss a good day of work. Hard working players should not have to be pushed out of the way by groups of non-players for any reason.
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
What time? I'd love to attend
All ****in' day.
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:30:00 -
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I approve of this message.
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Saffron Fyre
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Saffron Fyre on 08/10/2007 14:33:46
Count me in, I haven't hunted/hassled macro/farmers for such a long time. :D
Oops. posted with my ALT, stupid forums
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:41:00 -
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So it's a lagbomb potential EULA violation you want from me?
In that case, I'll see what I can do. Evemail me where I need to bring an assault fof spitting drake (for a guess) and I'll see if my CEO will give me a few hours off.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:43:00 -
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:44:00 -
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Since the element of surprise has manage to dissipate on it's own, the location will be Deltole, time will be all day.
Please bring FOF missile boats(as many as possible), hackers, salvagers, and logistics. If we can overtake the entire complex, we will have gone above and beyond the scope of the op. I'd like to just have a hundred people show up, park, and start lobbing off fof until everything in every room is dead before anyone else can lock it. I imagine that would be quite frustrating.
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Argus Greymoore
Gallente
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Janus Veyron
I find this zealotism against macro'ers pretty.....sad.
Heh, so you'd prefer people using rule-breaking means to play the game, as opposed to playing it fairly?
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
So it's a lagbomb potential EULA violation you want from me?
In that case, I'll see what I can do. Evemail me where I need to bring an assault fof spitting drake (for a guess) and I'll see if my CEO will give me a few hours off.
Heh- we're not going for EULA violation, just an amount of perfectly legal, TOS approved, game mechanic using, heavy player interference with non-playing farmers.
Please DO NOT break EULA or TOS for this.
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SpyGuyofDOOM
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Janus Veyron
I find this zealotism against macro'ers pretty.....sad.
So these "macroers" you say not only macro, but they spam chat channels with isk sales and also sell isk, wouldn't ccp of banned them by now or do you think that ccp is competent, if so then why do you even play EVE if it's made by incompetent people?
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UPA Terf
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.08 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
I gave up the good fight a long time ago because CCP make it routinely and continuously more and increasingly more difficult to hurt the farmers. And the speed at which they introduce protection for the farmers increases also, it was blatant a year ago, now it is just insulting.
I would still target farmers, if I though I could make an impact. When I first started against them I saw the price of isk go up by $4 per 100 million.
Then when Invention protected them by dropping prices of Expanders / miners / hulks / occators the price of isk plummeted, demonstrating that they could no longer be hurt financially by direct action, as the volumes of isk traded were too high.
So this plot of yours, scaled against say, a 5 mackinaw smartbomb run (also made impossible - thanks again CCP) does how much damage to farmers?
If you're telling me that I can make a significant impact, I may well come in on this, but if this is more publicity than isk impact, CCP gave there answer on dealing with them. "No". And this won't help.
How much farmer damage are we talking here?
I think the price went down more because people werent buying so they werent making profit rather than it becoming a bigger market
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: SpyGuyofDOOM
Originally by: Janus Veyron
I find this zealotism against macro'ers pretty.....sad.
So these "macroers" you say not only macro, but they spam chat channels with isk sales and also sell isk, wouldn't ccp of banned them by now or do you think that ccp is competent, if so then why do you even play EVE if it's made by incompetent people?
We should really change our name to Farmerintel, because there's just this inability to understand that these people are not macros. They are people.
People who play the game to make an actual monetary gain.
These farmers bully and intimidate younger players and players who're trying to complete missions/get ahead on their own. The data center in Tvink is another example.
This is an example of what I posted earlier- CCP can do anything they are supposed to do out of game. We as players have the ability to use every mechanic we can to stop these farmers from abusing the system. This is a case where someone came to us and complained that farmers had taken over a complex and it's something many of us had seen firsthand, so we decided it was time to do something about it.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:23:00 -
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This could be easily solved if all players were forced on non NPC corps after 1 month in game. Then we could simply kill them always.
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 08/10/2007 15:33:40
if you can, please send me an evemail ingame about this, because im in class right now and wil probly forget all abotu this when i get home
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
Techmart Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:29:00 -
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FoF missiles in 0.5, I guess that will bring a lot of CONCORD ships...
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 08/10/2007 15:29:36
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
This could be easily solved if all players were forced on non NPC corps after 1 month in game. Then we could simply kill them always.
I mostly agree with that, but know it wouldn't work.
Maybe forced to have no corp at all?
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Seriphos
Omega Mining Industrials
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Posted - 2007.10.08 17:40:00 -
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Can anyone come?
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