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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:17:00 -
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Too much lately people have confused Tech 3 cruisers and Tier 3 battlecruisers in conversation. It comes far too naturally to call them both "T3" in shorthand conversation. We need a better solution, a convention that everyone uses.
Tech 3 ships are going to remain "T3". They were the first that got the title, and deserve it. Plus, nobody refers to tier 2 BCs as "T2 BCs". People hardly refer to them as any more than simply "battlecruisers". However, tier 3 BCs are in a class of their own, separate from the tier 1 and 2 BCs, so they deserve a special designation. "Tier 3" is clumsy and requires 4 (FOUR!!!) keystrokes for the word "tier" and an extra one for the space -- an utterly unnecessary waste of our typing effort.
Reducing it to "T3" works, but only when it is contextually clear what you are talking about, to avoid confusion with T3 (strategic) cruisers. Removing the T's capitalization from the BCs is a possible solution (t3 vs T3), but many people won't be assed to adhere to that, particularly in very shorthand stuff: "hey bro i gccd in my t3 2day n had xpensive lossmail"
Another possible solution is using an extra letter (as much effort as that might be). "Ti3" or "ti3" for indicating tier 3 BCs. Makes them sound like fancy calculators though, or titanium molecules.
What do you think? Any innovative solutions from the community? |
Steveir
Hagukure
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:23:00 -
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BC+ & BS+ ? and T3 |
Derus Grobb
Iron Oxide Institute
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:28:00 -
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My innovative solution is to stfu and go outside |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4508
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:29:00 -
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R3
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
258
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:30:00 -
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I like Tr3 . It almost says it. Tr3 and T3. The T and r are next to each other on the keyboard, too.
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Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1084
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:30:00 -
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Use the last letter from the word "tier" instead of the first. I.e. R3.
Edit: Confound you Tippia! |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1084
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:36:00 -
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Steveir wrote:BC+ & BS+ ? and T3
Actually BC3 is pretty good. Its easily extensible to any ship type and its very specific.
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DeLaBu
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
22
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:41:00 -
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I also like the TR3 convention. I cuts across all classes and most people that knows about tier 3 will make the link.
R3 is also ok, but may take a few more brain cycles before someone makes the link to tier 3.
And R3 is just confusing to those who have lived in Southern Provi... |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
71
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:43:00 -
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There are tier 3 battleships, cruisers and frigates, tier 3 battlecruisers are spoke of a lot due to them being new, if you are unable to differentiate between tech 3 and tier 3 ships you need to relearn the English language  |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
93
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:54:00 -
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Tier 3 -> Tr3. They're right next to each other, too! And will look distinct even in the client's crappy font! |
Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:58:00 -
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I vote T3 for Tech 3, and 3^ for Tier 3. (Note the ^ is on the right of the 3 to avoid confusion with m^3)
Let's...just assume there's some kind of signature here, 'k?
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OH WAIT.
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Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:09:00 -
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You really don't have problems at all do you?
Btw the term "Tier 3" is far older than T3s are..... |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:14:00 -
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Why not just invert the two characters and use '3T'?
For '3rd Tier'.
"Did you see those 3rd Tier Battlecruiser stats?"
"Yeah, the Tornado is the only good 3rd Tier Battlecruiser"
"NERF 3rd Tier BCs!"
I think it works, do you? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
329
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:04:00 -
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Huh, I didn't expect this much good discussion, honestly. I made the OP while sleep deprived and slightly loopy, but re-reading it myself, it's a very valid question.
The best suggestion I've heard so far is using TR or Tr as a prefix. "Tr3", for someone who doesn't know what it means, leads them to pronounce it out loud in their head: "tee arr three". "Tier 3" almost says itself. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:04:00 -
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R3
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:37:00 -
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TR3 or BC3
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Ex0101
The Scope
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:42:00 -
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You're never going to get everyone to agree on anything.
How about just taking the extra half a second to type something properly, and using the english language instead of needing shortcuts for every word in a sentence? |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
325
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:45:00 -
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why is this even an issue
i dont know ANYBODY who calls an Oracle or a Talos a T3 ship
the solution to this is to call them what they are, battlecruisers. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries
Tactical Invader Syndicate
737
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:22:00 -
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Tech level traditionally has roman numbers, while tier level has arabic numbers.
so:
T III: Tech three
T 3: Tier three
-.- |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
7
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:11:00 -
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Karl Planck
Heretic University
Heretic Nation
128
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:14:00 -
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Yea, I am going with R3 as it is the only option here that is reasonable to speak out loud. |
Iceni
Angel Constellation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:18:00 -
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Just fly a Marauder, and nobody will get confused.  |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6419
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:18:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Reducing it to "T3" works, but only when it is contextually clear what you are talking about, to avoid confusion with T3 (strategic) cruisers. Removing the T's capitalization from the BCs is a possible solution (t3 vs T3), but many people won't be assed to adhere to that, particularly in very shorthand stuff: "hey bro i gccd in my t3 2day n had xpensive lossmail"
With respect to you, I do not see any reason to alter culture to encourage even more stupid abbreviated net-speak.
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:21:00 -
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Yo, 1st world issue. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6419
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:24:00 -
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For content, I personally like the idea of "BC3" to represent "Battlecruiser, Tier 3," because it follows a couple of conventions that I find mutually attractive. First, it follows a military-style naming convention by which the noun precedes the descriptor; second, it allows for the inclusion of other ships that also have multiple tiers. You could call a Tier 2 battlecruiser a BC2, a Tier 3 frigate a FF3, a hypothetical Tier 2 destroyer a DD2, and a Tier 1 battleship a BB1 or BS1(depending on whether you wish to use the designator used in real life navies or the simple abbreviations we've adopted for the game).
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:25:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Yo, 1st world issue.
Anything to do with this video game is a first world issue. What is your point?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:30:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Yo, 1.0 sec issue.
FTFY |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:31:00 -
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T3 and TIII, duh.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:10:00 -
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T3 and t3. So a tornado is a BC t3. This will work fine until there's a T3 t3.
If you want you could also define the actual race, and maybe use - as delimiters.
That's a Minmatar tier 3 battleship
Only problem here is when we're talking about classes where there's more than one ship, assault frigs as an example
could both be a jaguar or a wolf, but in those cases we can add the first first letters of the ships name
Caldari assault frigate t1 Hawk.
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Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1085
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:25:00 -
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Mr M wrote:T3 and t3. So a tornado is a BC t3. This will work fine until there's a T3 t3. If you want you could also define the actual race, and maybe use - as delimiters. That's a Minmatar tier 3 battleship Only problem here is when we're talking about classes where there's more than one ship, assault frigs as an example could both be a jaguar or a wolf, but in those cases we can add the first first letters of the ships name Caldari assault frigate t1 Hawk.
You can drop the dashes and refer to tier by x instead of tx. I.e. CAF1HAW. Of course, if you want pure shorthand without minding a little ambiguity, then you are just left with CAF1. However, there are just 2 assault frigates per race so you could arbitrarily assign tiers to them. E.g. let CAF1 refer to Harpy and CAF2 refer to Hawk. Then everything is precisely defined while shorting the designation from 11 characters to 4. Frankly, noone would bother with an 11 character designation when they could just type Harpy or Hawk instead. |
Novinya
Perkone
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:57:00 -
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I recommend CCP remove the tier distinction and then we won't have to worry about it.
All the tier system does is make many ships hopelessly gimped and never flown. |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
78
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:07:00 -
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Jacob Stiller wrote:You can drop the dashes and refer to tier by x instead of tx. I.e. CAF1HAW. Of course, if you want pure shorthand without minding a little ambiguity, then you are just left with CAF1. However, there are just 2 assault frigates per race so you could arbitrarily assign tiers to them. E.g. let CAF1 refer to Harpy and CAF2 refer to Hawk. Then everything is precisely defined while shorting the designation from 11 characters to 4.
I have a memory of reading that it's easier for most people to remember series of numbers and character in twos or threes. As an example you have the classic police radio codes but also ip numbers. It's a whole lot easier to remember 87.237.38.200 than 8723738200.
Jacob Stiller wrote:Frankly, noone would bother with an 11 character designation when they could just type Harpy or Hawk instead.
Bah! You're no fun to play with  I was looking forward to discussions about M-EF-1-H and how we could make it better. 
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:37:00 -
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t3= tech 3 as t2 = tech 2. |
Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:59:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:I like Tr3 . It almost says it. Tr3 and T3. The T and r are next to each other on the keyboard, too.
Derus. We'll meet you out there. Go ahead and start without us.
I like that. Well done sir, I shall implement that immediately. Of course, I will need a reason to talk about either one though.
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Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
7
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:19:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:I like Tr3 . It almost says it. Tr3 and T3. The T and r are next to each other on the keyboard, too.
Derus. We'll meet you out there. Go ahead and start without us.
simple and attractive, yeh this is good, ill go with this naming convention when discussed with others. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
537
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:25:00 -
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i call it oracle and legion :)
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:53:00 -
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get rid of tiers ..
problem solved. |
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