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iiOs Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:56:00 - [1] since, it takes way to long to open convo, the talk, bla bla bla, and it takes even longer when there are lots of enemys in local, therefor something like this would be nice: you select the target you want to ransome> rightclick> enter randsome ammount/select default one ones you press it your victim resive lillte pop up with the ransome, if he accepts it, isk will be automaticly withdrawn isk from his wallet, and you and your gang/corp will loose lock on him and wont be able to shoot him for next, lets say 15 minutes you should also be able to cansel ransome, if victiom doesnt accept it and wanna see if he can tank or w8ing for back up and if he cant he just accepts it in last moment or if he desides to smack in local, or call for help:) something like this would be nice ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Zephirz Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:00:00 - [2] Edited by: Zephirz on 08/10/2007 10:00:09 I think opening the convo and having a chat with your victim is part of the fun an immersion of pirating. If its just another pop-up window than it becomes just.... meh.. Seems like alot less cool. Also, the excitement of ransoming someone in a system full of hostiles and not knowing wether hes got friends coming to safe him and hes stalling you, or if he is really gonna pay. Are you gonna blow him, or lose the oppurtunity too? Or are you maybe going to be a little bit richer? zephirz [Selling Standard blue pill & x-instinct]
iiOs Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:02:00 - [3] Edited by: iiOs on 08/10/2007 10:04:34 Originally by: Zephirz Edited by: Zephirz on 08/10/2007 10:00:09 I think opening the convo and having a chat with your victim is part of the fun an immersion of pirating. If its just another pop-up window than it becomes just.... meh.. Seems like alot less cool. Also, the excitement of ransoming someone in a system full of hostiles and not knowing wether hes got friends coming to safe him and hes stalling you, or if he is really gonna pay. Are you gonna blow him, or lose the oppurtunity too? Or are you maybe going to be a little bit richer? Fun for me is to get isk/kill, not chat with some noob( can always do that in corp chat), plus I prefer not to w8 for friends, since i dont find it very fun to die;) ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:25:00 - [4] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 08/10/2007 10:25:19 Surely the OP jests. Part of proper piracy is inviting them to your private ransom channel for negotiations. Even those that open with curses and insults usually mellow out and can be made an offer they cannot refuse . If its not safe to ransom....shoot..scoop....scoot "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Templer Relleg Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:44:00 - [5] The whole interaction is why i love piracy. Else its just gonna become like ratting, where you set the bounty yourself
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:44:00 - [6] The suggestion will only inflict spam enemy has to click reject while being attacked is bound to be misused... and If you don't want to talk with the "noob" you don't deserve to gain anything. Pinky - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:50:00 - [7] Originally by: iiOs Edited by: iiOs on 08/10/2007 10:04:34 Originally by: Zephirz Edited by: Zephirz on 08/10/2007 10:00:09 I think opening the convo and having a chat with your victim is part of the fun an immersion of pirating. If its just another pop-up window than it becomes just.... meh.. Seems like alot less cool. Also, the excitement of ransoming someone in a system full of hostiles and not knowing wether hes got friends coming to safe him and hes stalling you, or if he is really gonna pay. Are you gonna blow him, or lose the oppurtunity too? Or are you maybe going to be a little bit richer? Fun for me is to get isk/kill, not chat with some noob( can always do that in corp chat), plus I prefer not to w8 for friends, since i dont find it very fun to die;) Let's not stop at giving pirates an automated ransoming tool. While we're at it, let's give carebears built-in warp stabs. I dearly hope you are either very tired or very drunk.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:04:00 - [8] Edited by: Feng Schui on 08/10/2007 11:04:18 I think the OP has a good idea. I do like the immersion of a good ransom, like the next guy, however, it would be good for people that use different language clients, and do not speak english at all. edit: you would also need to receive a pop-up saying if the person declined the ransom or accepted it imo though. other than that, I will add nothing to this thread.
Maximillian Power Minmatar Vagrant Entity	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Feng Schui I think the OP has a good idea. I do like the immersion of a good ransom, like the next guy, however, it would be good for people that use different language clients, and do not speak english at all. Think of it as running into a ferengi when your universal translator is on the blink. I don't think this is good because its an MMO - if you want to get ISK off someone for not killing their ship you should have to be resourceful and aware of your surroundings. Its not a bad idea, it just takes away from the authenticity of the scenario. In my humble opinion.
iiOs Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: iiOs Edited by: iiOs on 08/10/2007 10:04:34 Originally by: Zephirz Edited by: Zephirz on 08/10/2007 10:00:09 I think opening the convo and having a chat with your victim is part of the fun an immersion of pirating. If its just another pop-up window than it becomes just.... meh.. Seems like alot less cool. Also, the excitement of ransoming someone in a system full of hostiles and not knowing wether hes got friends coming to safe him and hes stalling you, or if he is really gonna pay. Are you gonna blow him, or lose the oppurtunity too? Or are you maybe going to be a little bit richer? Fun for me is to get isk/kill, not chat with some noob( can always do that in corp chat), plus I prefer not to w8 for friends, since i dont find it very fun to die;) Let's not stop at giving pirates an automated ransoming tool. While we're at it, let's give carebears built-in warp stabs. I dearly hope you are either very tired or very drunk. this is to help carebears , it will help them more then pirates most of the time i just kill stuff, unless they convo me, like this, they might get to keep their ship/pod stupid alt ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Yuki Santara Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:44:00 - [11] What about the other way around, a formal way to pay "protection money". Maybe a form of contract, where you specify an amount and a time frame and a receiver. If you are still alive after the time frame, the amount is automatically transferred to the receiver, otherwise it goes back to your pockets. This would keep the social negotiation part in the game, but more importantly it could also be useful when hiring wingmen or mercenaries.
iiOs Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Yuki Santara What about the other way around, a formal way to pay "protection money". Maybe a form of contract, where you specify an amount and a time frame and a receiver. If you are still alive after the time frame, the amount is automatically transferred to the receiver, otherwise it goes back to your pockets. This would keep the social negotiation part in the game, but more importantly it could also be useful when hiring wingmen or mercenaries. intresting idia ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Caztor Pollux Genos Occidere The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:05:00 - [13] I like the idea of a quick ransom tool it would be handy when you are in a hurry but it will take the fun away. I like the fact that the victim is panicking and his heart pounding and franticaly clicking on stuff and accidently rejecting the chat and getting a few dozen missiles up his arse. I ransom tool will take the edge of it all. Maybe it could just be optional. Don't lie, thieve, cheat or steal. The Government do not like the competition.
Cheeb Aman Bridgeburners Squadron	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:04:00 - [14] Edited by: Cheeb Aman on 08/10/2007 21:04:00 Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 08/10/2007 10:25:19 Surely the OP jests. Part of proper piracy is inviting them to your private ransom channel for negotiations. Even those that open with curses and insults usually mellow out and can be made an offer they cannot refuse . If its not safe to ransom....shoot..scoop....scoot This^^^^ I like to kill you cause every wreck makes it feel like opening presents at christmas, you never know what's going to be inside
Rudy Metallo Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.08 22:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Caztor Pollux I like the idea of a quick ransom tool it would be handy when you are in a hurry but it will take the fun away. I like the fact that the victim is panicking and his heart pounding and franticaly clicking on stuff and accidently rejecting the chat and getting a few dozen missiles up his arse. I ransom tool will take the edge of it all. Maybe it could just be optional. Nu, this. Say what?
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.10.08 22:12:00 - [16] The ONLY reason I don't ransom is when there are more than 2 people of the same corp in local [more than HALF the time.] I strongly disagree with the pop up ransoming >.> We already have enough popup's in this game imo =\ Give us pi waTes that... then you HAVE to give other people the Popup saying "Turn on warp core stabs befor you enter low sec"
Vrabac Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:38:00 - [17] Originally by: iiOs ones you press it your victim resive lillte pop up with the ransome, if he accepts it, isk will be automaticly withdrawn isk from his wallet, and you and your gang/corp will loose lock on him and wont be able to shoot him for next, lets say 15 minutes Too generic imho. Makes it too easy, too restrictive and too single-playerish. Also sounds rather against the spirit of the game, player - player interaction is a very important aspect as it is and would be downgraded by such "out of the box" approach I think.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:01:00 - [18] Originally by: iiOs since, it takes way to long to open convo, the talk, bla bla bla, and it takes even longer when there are lots of enemys in local, therefor something like this would be nice: I have a private channel. I right click target and invite him to it. The MOTD explains in nice pretty colours that the invitee is being ransomed , and should pay the nasty pirate to avoid his ship being blown up. Then I type something like >Hi >50mil :) It doesn't take long to set up a channel, and will save yourself plenty of time repeating yourself all the time I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Hellrazer Dark Star LTD	Posted - 2007.10.09 15:19:00 - [19] Originally by: iiOs Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: iiOs Edited by: iiOs on 08/10/2007 10:04:34 Originally by: Zephirz Edited by: Zephirz on 08/10/2007 10:00:09 I think opening the convo and having a chat with your victim is part of the fun an immersion of pirating. If its just another pop-up window than it becomes just.... meh.. Seems like alot less cool. Also, the excitement of ransoming someone in a system full of hostiles and not knowing wether hes got friends coming to safe him and hes stalling you, or if he is really gonna pay. Are you gonna blow him, or lose the oppurtunity too? Or are you maybe going to be a little bit richer? Fun for me is to get isk/kill, not chat with some noob( can always do that in corp chat), plus I prefer not to w8 for friends, since i dont find it very fun to die;) Let's not stop at giving pirates an automated ransoming tool. While we're at it, let's give carebears built-in warp stabs. I dearly hope you are either very tired or very drunk. this is to help carebears , it will help them more then pirates most of the time i just kill stuff, unless they convo me, like this, they might get to keep their ship/pod stupid alt Good Idea iiOs, why bother talking to em when you are there for the loot and isk anyway. Give them the choice they say no they die, most of the time they will convo you anyway to ***** about there loss.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.09 15:23:00 - [20] Edited by: Verone on 09/10/2007 15:23:56 I've been pirating for as long as I can remember and really hope that this doesn't happen. The whole beauty of Eve revolves around player action and player interaction. A person's word and reputation in Eve suddenly means very little when they're replaced with an interface to carry out a ransom. The fact that a person can potentially take the ISK then destroy you, but doesn't, means a lot more than him being restricted from shooting you by an AI that holds your hand for 15 minutes. That's not what Eve is about tbh. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.09 15:28:00 - [21] totally agree with verone, no one would like to get an automated ransoming system, mainly because it would ruin the "pirating honor" and the fun to open convo and see "OMGWTFLEAVEMEALONE!1!11!1?ELEVENONE!", wich is really funny ----------------------------------------------- "1, 2, 3, shuttle reprocessing is right for me"
Kain De'Stroi Epic.	Posted - 2007.10.09 18:42:00 - [22] agree whit verone, Yuki's idea was intressting and worth thinking about tho -------- Boost Amarr and I will conquer the Universe - you been warned

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