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Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.09 02:30:00 - [1] If you missed the news, one of the new T2 battleships belonging to Gallente is tentatively named Sin. I have to ask devs, don't you think that this name fits better into the Amarr naming convention? As it stands, every Amarr ship has a name with religious implications. No Gallente ships fit that bill. Naming the T2 Dominix "Sin" seems like an oversight or a mix-up to me. Your thoughts?
Zosana	Posted - 2007.10.09 02:34:00 - [2] An ugly name for an ugly ship. It fits perfectly.
Pretty Tom	Posted - 2007.10.09 02:46:00 - [3] Sin is the name of the Babylonian moon god. So, it does stay within the Gallente naming convention. The verb "to sin" is believed by some to derive from the Sin's name.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:05:00 - [4] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/10/2007 03:06:00 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/10/2007 03:05:20 Like the Amarr, who believe they are the warriors of god, the holiest of holy, would name their ships Sin Redemption, Justificator, Purifier, heck, even Inferno(which is more minnie sounding) would go. But sin is right out. The Amarr ships are not just "religious", but they are in the "good" side of religion. I just love it that now EVE will have a Paladin My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:08:00 - [5] Babylonian God "Sin" A valid point, I suppose Sin is within the naming conventions of Gallente. However I would argue that sin as a moral/religious word is in such greater usage than the name of the Babylonian god that it will certainly cause confusion.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/10/2007 03:06:00 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/10/2007 03:05:20 Like the Amarr, who believe they are the warriors of god, the holiest of holy, would name their ships Sin Redemption, Justificator, Purifier, heck, even Inferno(which is more minnie sounding) would go. But sin is right out. The Amarr ships are not just "religious", but they are in the "good" side of religion Curse? Heretic?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:13:00 - [7] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/10/2007 03:13:45 Originally by: Vitrael Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/10/2007 03:06:00 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/10/2007 03:05:20 Like the Amarr, who believe they are the warriors of god, the holiest of holy, would name their ships Sin Redemption, Justificator, Purifier, heck, even Inferno(which is more minnie sounding) would go. But sin is right out. The Amarr ships are not just "religious", but they are in the "good" side of religion Curse? Heretic? Notice anything similar in those? If you add the damnation to the list? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:13:00 - [8] It's about time we get a non crapcan name. Also Known As
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:23:00 - [9] Speaking of naming conventions... What could have been the impetus for the Caldari Golem? To my knowledge, the golems of history didn't have wings. Perhaps the Gargoyle would have been more appropriate. _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Speaking of naming conventions... What could have been the impetus for the Caldari Golem? To my knowledge, the golems of history didn't have wings. Perhaps the Gargoyle would have been more appropriate. Well it seems to me that a few of the tech 2 ships of Caldari are named after regular/mythical beasts. Cerberus? Basilisk? ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.

Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Speaking of naming conventions... What could have been the impetus for the Caldari Golem? To my knowledge, the golems of history didn't have wings. Perhaps the Gargoyle would have been more appropriate. mythical beasts? drake, manticore, rokh, phoenix, chimera, wyvern etc etc... gargoyle fits fine. they were running out of recognizable birds of prey, we'd end up with ships like "blue tit" or "canary" _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Zosana An ugly name for an ugly ship. It fits perfectly. Exactly. Didn't the phrase "Ugly as sin" cross anyone's mind when they first saw this? Cause it fits! Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last And that's why I love that homely boat!
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Shiodome mythical beasts? drake, manticore, rokh, phoenix, chimera, wyvern etc etc... gargoyle fits fine. they were running out of recognizable birds of prey, we'd end up with ships like "blue tit" or "canary" Actually, the Drake, Manticore, Rokh, Phoenix, Chimera, Wyvern are all winged mythical creatures, so they do fit that convention. Golem, doesn't. _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:44:00 - [14] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Well it seems to me that a few of the tech 2 ships of Caldari are named after regular/mythical beasts. Cerberus? Basilisk? OK.. you got me there. _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Aries Acheron Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:02:00 - [15] If you haven't noticed, none of the 'new' Caldari tech 2 ships are winged, and they're all made of rocks. Sphinx Sculpture (not even a creature?) Golem ~~~ Survive Eve! Eve Tribune
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Originally by: Shiodome mythical beasts? drake, manticore, rokh, phoenix, chimera, wyvern etc etc... gargoyle fits fine. they were running out of recognizable birds of prey, we'd end up with ships like "blue tit" or "canary" Actually, the Drake, Manticore, Rokh, Phoenix, Chimera, Wyvern are all winged mythical creatures, so they do fit that convention. Golem, doesn't. really? "Chimaera who breathed raging fire, a creature fearful, great, swift-footed and strong, who had three heads, one of a grim-eyed lion; in her hinderpart, a dragon; and in her middle, a goat, breathing forth a fearful blast of blazing fire." nope, no wings _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:13:00 - [17] Paladin sounds like some wow-thingy ;p Just paint it black, name it Betrayal :) Ah dont forget abt torp launchers.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Sheriff Jones I just love it that now EVE will have a Paladin Now will it heal or do dps?
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Shiodome really? "Chimaera who breathed raging fire, a creature fearful, great, swift-footed and strong, who had three heads, one of a grim-eyed lion; in her hinderpart, a dragon; and in her middle, a goat, breathing forth a fearful blast of blazing fire." nope, no wings Oh maaan... Busted again... But hey... the Chimera from D&D has wings.. so there... _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Gamesguy Now will it heal or do dps? Personally, I prefer my chain stunning Pally from EQ. _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer

Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:39:00 - [21] Seriously, take the Sculpture and rename it the Gargoyle. Or, make the Sculpture the Golem and rename the Golem the Colossus. -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Sheriff Jones I just love it that now EVE will have a Paladin Now will it heal or do dps? I just thought it was a shame it isn't a heavy interdictor that drops bubbles My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Moridin920 Gallente Capital One	Posted - 2007.10.09 05:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Shiodome really? "Chimaera who breathed raging fire, a creature fearful, great, swift-footed and strong, who had three heads, one of a grim-eyed lion; in her hinderpart, a dragon; and in her middle, a goat, breathing forth a fearful blast of blazing fire." nope, no wings Doesn't a dragon have wings? Doesn't say they don't have wings... I could be totally wrong. Just wondering though... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Mr Isky	Posted - 2007.10.09 05:22:00 - [24] Last time I checked Scorpions don't have wings
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.09 05:40:00 - [25] The ship is pink. It should be called 'Princess'. Whoever designed it obviously comes from San Francisco. Taikun ----------------------------------- For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good.
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.09 06:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr Isky Last time I checked Scorpions don't have wings Neither do Badgers (admittedly not a fighting ship, but still Caldari) Bear in mind that the Minmatar have really weird naming conventions which are class / manufacturer dependent, so why not minor variations for other races. Akkarin Hopefully the mods won't play with this one <3 - Immy
Khan Dhu Khan Dhu Research and Cloning	Posted - 2007.10.09 07:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Khan Dhu on 09/10/2007 07:11:02 Call it the Medusa. Or Artemis. The latter works as Artemis was the Goddess of the Hunt.
Jacob Holland Gallente 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2007.10.09 07:25:00 - [28] Worth noting on the Caldari naming convention that a Drake is a male duck. I can't believe noone's suggested Booby -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.10.09 07:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Speaking of naming conventions... What could have been the impetus for the Caldari Golem? To my knowledge, the golems of history didn't have wings. Perhaps the Gargoyle would have been more appropriate. Like I said in another thread, the mythical bit is maybe not so important. If this is the new cloak-ratter / mission***** / "afk-raven" tool of choice, then the modern adaptation of the word denotes it as an automaton, which is quite fitting for that role.
Krexus Amarr Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.09 07:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Sheriff Jones I just love it that now EVE will have a Paladin Now will it heal or do dps? Dude not funny :P Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.09 07:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Originally by: Shiodome really? "Chimaera who breathed raging fire, a creature fearful, great, swift-footed and strong, who had three heads, one of a grim-eyed lion; in her hinderpart, a dragon; and in her middle, a goat, breathing forth a fearful blast of blazing fire." nope, no wings Oh maaan... Busted again... But hey... the Chimera from D&D has wings.. so there... LOL, thats an actual translation of the latin in the Ovidius texts... very nice to see that here... could also be one of the others that used the Chimera in their texts. I used to translate that stuff in high school. again: in her hinderpart a dragon..... one could argue that hinderpart could also incorporate the wings on the back. it is never made truly known. the hinderpart is sometimes also referred as snakelike. most images from antiquitiy do NOT contain wings. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Deacon Ix Ascendant Strategies Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.09 07:51:00 - [32] This thread made me smile A discussion about the form of mythical beasts on an online gameing forum where everyone plays in spaceships. But just to add my 2c, most Chinise dragons DON'T have wings but European (St. George ect) are pictured with them tho the lift/mass ration of the pictured Dragons does suggest that they are possibly vistigual appendages. Golems are animated creatures made from some sort of substance, Earth, Water, Fire, ect so I would suppose that the counjurer whilst forming the creature could put wings on it if he so wished. Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
Tiberius Ilex Caldari FireTech Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.09 08:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Shiodome mythical beasts? drake, manticore, rokh, phoenix, chimera, wyvern etc etc... gargoyle fits fine. they were running out of recognizable birds of prey, we'd end up with ships like "blue tit" or "canary" Drake. A mythical beast. Wow, I must be special cos I see them all the time around the local pond... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.09 08:24:00 - [34] The only name that's really not fitting is the Caldari Sculpture, to be honest... Gargoyle would have been much, much better, yet still hold nearly identical meaning. A Gargoyle is a sculture... but a Sculpture is not necessarily a gargoyle! Buff room for large link addresses in sigs plz :(
Franga Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.09 08:46:00 - [35] I think it fits quite okay. And to whoever wrote that the verb 'to sin' comes from this Babylonian god, is incorrect. The verb 'to sin' actually comes from it's original usage which was in archery or using a bow and arrow. 'To miss the mark' with your shot was 'to sin'. So having a Gallente ship with the name Sin actually goes fine with their current naming convention: astarte, thanatos, nyx, etc. Would have also fit in quite nicely with the Minmatar conventions ... although I think they are more along the lines of the Scandinavian gods (bellicose, hel, etc.) _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.09 08:53:00 - [36] I think they got a little esoteric in the naming, sin would have been perfect for a Khanid ship, not for a gallente one.


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