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babba louie
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Posted - 2004.02.21 06:49:00 -
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ok, I have a question. Without a boatload of flaming, without trashing individual members, I have a question for the leaders of the 2 alliances.
Why are the Stain alliance and the Curse Alliance still fighting?
Seems to me that CA is no longer the pirate alliance they once were accused of being when they formed (can I say that anymore diplomatically?) so what is everyone still fighting for?
Seems to me that CA doesn't need Stain, they have a huge area which is mineral rich and you can say the same of SA. So where is the profit? Both alliances seem to be fighting simply because that is what we are supposed to be doing.
Is that the case? Is it because a few of the leaders "hate" each other? If so that means that each alliance is spending billions each week to support a war that has no meaning.
So without trashing anyone, letting go of the egos, I ask, I challenge the you guys to rationally, politely  discuss what this war is about and if it really is to everyone's benefit to continue it.
I guess that's the point. What do the alliances gain? Anyone up to that actual challenge of defining what everyone gains?
Polaris. I beg you to keep the flames off this thread and keep it on topic.
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Dubi
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Posted - 2004.02.21 07:04:00 -
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How about PVP experince and something to do? if you have read previous tread you would see that SA offerd peace since the pirat corps was out of CA. but it's pretty clear many people don't want peace and don't know what to do if peace was really formed. there is more things in life then isk and I belive both sides have plenty of isk.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.21 07:04:00 -
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ok, I have a question. Without a boatload of flaming, without trashing individual members, I have a question for the leaders of the 2 alliances.
Why are the Stain alliance and the Curse Alliance still fighting?
Seems to me that CA is no longer the pirate alliance they once were accused of being when they formed (can I say that anymore diplomatically?) so what is everyone still fighting for?
Seems to me that CA doesn't need Stain, they have a huge area which is mineral rich and you can say the same of SA. So where is the profit? Both alliances seem to be fighting simply because that is what we are supposed to be doing.
Is that the case? Is it because a few of the leaders "hate" each other? If so that means that each alliance is spending billions each week to support a war that has no meaning.
So without trashing anyone, letting go of the egos, I ask, I challenge the you guys to rationally, politely discuss what this war is about and if it really is to everyone's benefit to continue it.
I guess that's the point. What do the alliances gain? Anyone up to that actual challenge of defining what everyone gains?
Polaris. I beg you to keep the flames off this thread and keep it on topic.
because without the war everyone would mine arkanor till they were bored and quit
pvp makes this game interesting, every other activity simply feeds the war machine..
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Rattman
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Posted - 2004.02.21 07:05:00 -
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To be honest I doubt most of the people dont know. Whenever one hits the indy's of the other this is considered "piracy" by the other side. But both sides do it. Personally think it would be better for both if the instigate a cease fire. There are many greater threats out there atm.
Will it ever happen, nope there is to much hatred so will keep going for forseable future. The forums are a big offender and instigator of the hatred, both side complaining about the other tactics when the odds extremely high that some one in thier own alliance is doing it as well
Rattman
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NewChina
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Posted - 2004.02.21 07:12:00 -
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why did the chicken cross the road ??
this game is based on war you mine for a ship for war you train skills for war you try to make more money for war.
i bet the most ppl dont even care what their war is/was about many ppl just wanna fight (fighting is fun) 
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T'Rana
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Posted - 2004.02.21 07:31:00 -
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I don't think there's much hatred tbh (of course there might be players on both sides who don't like players on the other).
If SA and CA made peace tomorrow and stopped fighting what would that leave ? Mining ? killing npcs ? The plain fact is a lot of players like EVE for the pvp and if you take that away they will just leave for another game.
Anyway i'm sure if the SA and CA made peace they would just find someone else to fight :)
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.21 07:53:00 -
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Thats a GREAT idea, why dont everyone stop fighting and just focus on getting more isk so we can all buy the new modules and fit on our new ships and then make some more isk and buy the newest modules to put on our newest ships and then make some more isk and buy some new blueprints and then build some new stuff and sell for profit and then buy some new modules to but on our brand new ships and then go and make more isk so we can do that all over again.
ARE YOU INSANE 
Spawn of the Devil
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2004.02.21 08:04:00 -
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"Once Stain surrenders and our liberating forces are allowed to keep the peace in Stain's borders the fighting will end. Those are the demands. Only vanity (sin) and pride (sin) of the leaders of Stain Alliance keep forcing us to kill them. When these sinners are forced out by the silent majority we can allow peace to take hold."
--The Reclaimer
[I am posting his msg until the great oppressors allow him to reclaim his rights. The great Satin doesnt like free speach.]
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Eldder Vendetta
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Posted - 2004.02.21 08:15:00 -
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WE fight because we wear the white hats! We are the good guys! CA is the Bad guys!
Actually, this is what CCP wants the game to evolve into at this point. It's great and this what we do.
CA isn't bad, come on, they are an excellent alliance, hot at the moment and they are playing the game to win. I totally support that! That is what the game is about. I love most of the CA guys, especially those that salute you after they have lost a ship/battle. That is the game!
Cheers to our enemies and I hope to grind youd to dust! Keep it up folks, let's play to win and have fun!
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redi
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Posted - 2004.02.21 08:45:00 -
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Without the war lots and lots of people on both sides would have quit this game and played other games.
PVP is a crucial part of this game, without it eve would have been a singel player game.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2004.02.21 11:19:00 -
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I echo most of the replies here. This game is primarily about PvP and war. Everything we do that is not PvP is to facilitate and enable more PvP.
War is not simply a waste of isk with no returns. The experience gained through warfare is invaluable. You can have the richest corp or alliance however if they do not have the combat experience gained only through serious and bloody warfare, they do not have true power.
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Kuga
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Posted - 2004.02.21 11:19:00 -
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...What do the alliances gain? Anyone up to that actual challenge of defining what everyone gains?
fun?
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Ribosom
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Posted - 2004.02.21 11:38:00 -
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Thats a GREAT idea, why dont everyone stop fighting and just focus on getting more isk so we can all buy the new modules and fit on our new ships and then make some more isk and buy the newest modules to put on our newest ships and then make some more isk and buy some new blueprints and then build some new stuff and sell for profit and then buy some new modules to but on our brand new ships and then go and make more isk so we can do that all over again.
ARE YOU INSANE
Sorry, I can¦t really follow your logic. Eve is the best game I ever played and i¦m doing this since 22 years now. The reason behind Eve being that successful is it¦s complexity and diversity. It is no run and gun game. Do u really believe all the players in Eve are in it for killing each other? Talking about insanity.
One more to "come on lets figth, ¦cause otherwise it gets boring".
If one alliance would be that powerful and expanding in eve (CA?), the big figths we see today would come to an end.
Nah, you m0o are interested in keeping the heat up between alliances and tbh u¦re propaganda and postings are just for that purpose. Otherwise u¦d get bored. |
Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.02.21 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Enraku Reynolt on 21/02/2004 12:23:00
they fight cause without war alot of people would be really bored
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.02.21 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 21/02/2004 12:31:07
People who join CA and SA generally dont do it to mine in 0.0, most do it to experience PvP.
PvP is all there is left in eve for a very large number of people.
Lets face it, SA and CA's HQ's are literally 5-10 minutes flight from each other, so its convienient too ;)
I think you will find that 90% of CA and SA really dont care much for politics, and are only in it for the PvP
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.02.21 12:48:00 -
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lol, this reminds me of a former corp mate "Can't we just negotiate peace, and mine together?"
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Alynthir
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Posted - 2004.02.21 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Alynthir on 21/02/2004 13:48:12
When it first started, there were reasons. Now it's all about having fun. A few people take it a bit too seriously, but I've gotten a lot of enjoyment chatting with certian CA members in local before, during and after a fight. Most of the people in both alliances realize it's only a game and treat it as such.
In all honesty, on any given night CA or SA will win a battle and then the next night the other side will win. At least now with the conquerable stations we have something to fight over every now and then.
Peace? I wouldn't mind, but I think I'd get bored really fast. Just last night I had three people from a CFS corp apply to Tyrell because they were 'bored with the carebear mining'. No insult intended to CFS, but I just think that sums up a lot of people's feelings all around EVE.
Want to see peace between CA and SA? Have the Jovians attack Amarr or Pator. Bring in some ALIENS!!! We might actually work together to fight a common threat... at least until some SA guy shot a CA guy for stealing a loot can from a Jovian battleship or something. 
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:25:00 -
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Combat is the only reason i bother playing the game.
Everything else is to fund it.
Reverend Necrona |
The Monk
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:59:00 -
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Agreed I love the war and love PvP. Only reason I play this game is for the thrill of the fight. I'm also looking forward to the deployable bases but we have a long wait for that.... Oh well better kill more Stainers in the meantime
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Macumba
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Posted - 2004.02.21 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Macumba on 21/02/2004 16:12:09
Without PvP this game has pretty limited appeal.
If you're playing the game just to see the size of your wallet grow then thats fair enough, but to be honest it'd be cheaper and easier to just fire up Excel and type in a few numbers every couple of hours, because thats essentially what you're reducing EVE to.
NPC pirates are a joke. With each patch they're either ridiculously underpowered or ridiculously overpowered. Either way they offer no real challenege to a group of organised players.
Exploration is a non-issue. If you played the game in black and white then every system would be identical. The few POIs out there aren't enough to justify flying around the universe like Kane from Kung Fu.
Roleplay is virtually non-existant, and I'm not just talking about people acting out their characters. The back story to EVE is one of the richest ever written for a game like this (even if a lot of elements are ripped straight from other games) but it's seldom used. Racial diversity is purely cosmetic, and only determines what craft you fly when you first create your character.
So that just leaves PvP. It's the only thing that keeps a significant percentage of the players paying up every month. There are a lot of egos and *****s out there (though no more than any other game), and the mechanics of combat could do with a little work, but EVE is probably the best mmorpg around as far as PvP is concerned. Most other mmorgps have reduced the risk with PvP completely (DAOC, SWG etc.), turning it into nothing more that Quake with stats. EVE has the scale, the risk and the social element to make PvP enjoyable.
War! Huh!? What is it good for?
Keeping people playing,
Say it again!
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babba louie
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Posted - 2004.02.21 16:26:00 -
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Hey, never said we shouldn't have the war I love the PvP - hate the mining. I swear if I ever have to strap on another laser I'll pod myself. I was just asking if the 2 alliances knew why they are fighting and if it served their long term goals, especially when considering CA's continued growth and transition into a legit, non-pirate alliance.
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babba louie
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Posted - 2004.02.21 16:27:00 -
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Hey, never said we shouldn't have the war I love the PvP - hate the mining. I swear if I ever have to strap on another laser I'll pod myself. I was just asking if the 2 alliances knew why they are fighting and if it served their long term goals, especially when considering CA's continued growth and transition into a legit, non-pirate alliance.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2004.02.21 16:56:00 -
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Its very simple:
CA=BAD MEAN PYWITS WHO HURTZ PEAPOW and NOOBZ
Now that m0o and TLBMC and RedCorsairs and Sinister gone
CA=MEAN BAD PYWITS WHO STILL HURTZ PEAPOW and NOOBZ
We will always be hated because of who we are. and why we all have stuck together! and the success we have as an alliance!
CoC couldnt take us down. CC couldnt take us down FA STAIN STILL have not taken us down. CFS??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!! 
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WyrmSlayer
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Posted - 2004.02.21 17:03:00 -
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Personally i like SA, and FA damn i love too CFS and his Frigs armies, thats makes interesting the game. If i loss a ship vs this alliance i only take it like another part of the game and i say goodbye to my killer. Same if i kill anybody. I played UO for years, the best Massive game ever, i changed here because i can still figthing without limits here. Im a pvp fan thats all.
See you at u-q Stainers!
WyrmSlayer
Kharak Confederation
Curse Alliance
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N'Fran D'Larn
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:08:00 -
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CA=BAD MEAN PYWITS WHO HURTZ PEAPOW and NOOBZ
Now that m0o and TLBMC and RedCorsairs and Sinister gone
CA=MEAN BAD PYWITS WHO STILL HURTZ PEAPOW and NOOBZ
Couldn't agree more! Though CA has successfully buried its twisted and vile past, there are those amongst us who shall never forget the past, never forget that it is you who are the EVIL EMPIRE! SA shall percervere in the face of this onslaught and triumph over you! :-P
Tivian, you ***** me up. One of the more interesting parts of this game so far has been the toppling of those at the top. The next few months should be interesting.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:39:00 -
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Aye, the Rise and Fall.
Just the disparency between the two over a certain parties reign that determines their greatness...
Reverend Necrona |
Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:44:00 -
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Thats a GREAT idea, why dont everyone stop fighting and just focus on getting more isk so we can all buy the new modules and fit on our new ships and then make some more isk and buy the newest modules to put on our newest ships and then make some more isk and buy some new blueprints and then build some new stuff and sell for profit and then buy some new modules to but on our brand new ships and then go and make more isk so we can do that all over again.
ARE YOU INSANE
Nah, you m0o are interested in keeping the heat up between alliances and tbh u¦re propaganda and postings are just for that purpose. Otherwise u¦d get bored.
Even if they stop fighting we will always have peaple to shot at so its not probaganda, this is just my view and most likely the view of almost everyone who has been playing for a long time, like tehel said, making ISK is only to sponsor PVP for most players.
I mean, do you really want to mass up ISK, have like 10 billions in the wallet and shat loads of ships and modules and nothing what so ever to do with it ?
Spawn of the Devil
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2004.02.21 20:24:00 -
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Why are the Stain alliance and the Curse Alliance still fighting?
Cause it's better than TV.
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Gunship
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Posted - 2004.02.21 21:05:00 -
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It's fun to fight SA even if they lately have gone down hill a little.
Seriously the above is true
For the PvP, what else?
Getting million of isk, just so I can sit and look at a number?
10 Mine, NPC kill, whatever to get isk 
20 build/buy BS
30 repeat
Kill lots of SA 
until dead.
40 if killed by CCP crappy programing remember to flame forum 
50 goto 10 
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Darodem
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Posted - 2004.02.22 00:40:00 -
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I think if we were only concerned with PvP we would just stay on the test server? That simply is not the case.
Since we are concerned at least in a minimal way with role play and giving meaning to the "War" we should at least be able to recognize the enemy. For the large alliances the biggest threat is not one another it is the small disorganized corps who attack whomever is most convenient to their local gank system. The alliances will assign more value to our experience, large battles, organized incursion, massive resource liberation, and a surplus of specialized roles giving more diversity and meaning. While small gank corps will just kill and level us all to the lowest common denominator. In real terms it would be like the folks in control of the streets of Las Vegas allowing them to degrade into street gang warfare and anarchy instead of providing some minimal semblance of believable order so that more tourists come. Simply put our mission as members of a large alliance is to eliminate what I call CWAN (Crap Without A Nap) and create cohesion among our members.
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