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Adaris
D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:26:00 -
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I overheard this discussion in a local channel one day while I was trying to sneak past a camping Nyx... It made me think... Just imagine you go buy a car one day. Nice and new. Shiney and prime for its purpose. You use your car every day for 5 years. Along the line, you will have gone into get repairs and touch-ups to improve the sagging performance of your car, particularly if its a Honda Civic, anyway... there will eventually come a point when your car is no longer fit for the road under your nation's laws, and you will have to scrap it or fake a robbery to claim false insurance. Thus your car has totally expired.
Imagine cars where like ships in Eve. Imagine that you could only use your ship for so long before you needed to scrap it and consider buying a new one. We constantly repair our ships but once repaired, even after the most horrendus damage taken, their performance and 'durability' never reduces. So its like a lifetime investment because as long as you look after it you will never lose it.
Would it not be a great touch of realism to see your ships gradually through ware and tear, conflict and hard-ship, rot and decay before your very eyes like your Honda Civic does? Where repairs only prolong the inevitable expiration of your vessel, and rigs where like installing windows vista on a system only capable of running it for only 10 mins before burning itself out?
This would truely change they way our entire economy and market system operates of course. if ships can expire, surely modules can too? Why yes, because like the tires on your car they too are undergoing depletion from the moment they are first used. Expiration independant of your ship but not so short that it would be impossible to do anything without having to constantly check your ship's systems.
Instead of loosing ships through pvp/pve/stupidity and that being the only motivation for people to continue fueling the market to make isk, why not introduce this measure? It would mean that greater emphasis would be put on making ships to last. Perhaps even allowing people to cross-pollinate blueprints to create a multitude of different ships types that would require intensive amounts of certain mins over others. An entirely new reason to manufacture and trade in Eve would be developed and would support the rest of the game quite well.
The same measure could be introduced to Giant Secure Containers floating in space for ever. No rust in space ofc, no erosion ofc, but perhaps decay from solar radiation and space debris, Micro-asteroid or the occasional ship collision. POS too could be given this new 'feature'. In reality, its seen that any structure in space needs constant maintenance to keep itself running, seperate to fuel needs. Mechanical failures abound in space and should be an aspect to this wonderful game.
Ships could also recieve more configuration options for players. Such as extendable solar light collectors to increase cap while at rest in space, towing options for pulling ships in space instead of carrying them in unrealistic sized cargo holds, and ofc, personalising the outside appearance of the ship.
In effect, this would mean that afterburners and shield boosters could be seen as well, and that once a ship's shields were breached indivisual targetting of ship systems could take place.
Anyways, this is all stuff I heard from three very interesting people near Amarr one day. And even though created and introducing detail or realism on this scale might be beyond what is currently capable, it is till good fuel for thought. 
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Ares Splinter
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:29:00 -
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uhhh no..
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:29:00 -
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lol i think the nano-repair bots prevent such "decay over time" on starships in EVE.
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:30:00 -
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no because id rather not have my insanely expensive cruor faction frigate suddenly explode one day......
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Adaris
D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:32:00 -
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lawl 
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Alastair Reynolds
These things are from the age when things didn't need maintanance or repairs
That's from his book "Redemption Ark" - read it a year ago so the word's may not be in the correct order, but I have film loaded in my photographic memory so it should be right.
Just think of that and everything is good.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Adaris
D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:40:00 -
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It seems a little benign though thinking of things like that when we are always trying to create more realism, excitement, risk and depth to this game.
I often hear answers in the rookie channel like that, 'Because', 'Don't ask silly questions' 'Its a spaceship, if ccp wanted you to know why it does not scale correctly with its surroundings then they would have sent you a 50-page text and a powerpoint slideshow explaining it silly noob'
Although there often funny, alot of the time, good ideas and questions are trodded upon because of it.
Faction ships could have longer lifetimes becasue they are a complex reworked and engineered vessels based on the finest points of two races capabilities etc... if you want to get nitty gritty, then all it takes is a plausible explanation.
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Eval B'Stard
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:17:00 -
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Enough with the durability of ships already .... Your ship blows up it's gone forever, buy a new one, if it doesn't you keep it and it keeps going forever cause thats the way it is and thats the way it should be.
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When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
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ragewind
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:23:00 -
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problem is your honda civic is god dam Japanese's and there for is bullet proof so will run for ever with only regular basic checks, so your plan fails at the first point
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Adaris
D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.13 00:09:00 -
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I never said I had a Honda Civic... 
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.13 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 13/10/2007 00:19:58
Eve has been going for 4 years. RL ships have a service lifetime an order of magnitude longer than that. I would imagine that with more automation and self repair capabilities as well as clinical immortality, star ships would be designed to last an order of magnitude longer than that (with major overhauls every so often of course). Your star ship has a crew between 2 and over 10k (for battleships, titans may be many times that) - you are the ship's commander. Its the job of these poor cloneless people to keep your ship well maintained. Having the ship fall apart in a few months does not strike me as particularly "realistic."
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