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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:07:00 - [1] Shoot War Targets After 8hrs Instructions: Place your vote then 2-3 spaces and give your stupid long speech people thy. #1. A: CCP This thread is to reduce the stupidly long time on war decing to 8hrs which is more then enough time for people to get prepared. (yes) B: No #2. A: War Dec Votes Should be instant if CEO has all shares as Well. (yes) B: No Please avoid using "reserved" posts. -Rauth Muffin Factory CEO
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:08:00 - [2] no asdasdadsadsadsafasdas ---
xJohnnyDx Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:11:00 - [3] Eight hours is definitely not always enough time to prepare for war. Plenty of people sleep eight hours or more, and if you base your wardec timing on the main location of the corp/alliance you're deccing, they'd all wake up to being at war. Just one simple reason. There's a ton more, of course. PLACE SIGNATURE HERE What?! [Insert event here] happened? Quick, start a new thread on the forums! "Moot", not "mute".
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:11:00 - [4] 1B 2A Stupid long speech: 8hrs is not long enough in view of tz differences. - Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:12:00 - [5] 1: No It has to account for people in different timezones, or people who can't be online all day. Not much more to say, really. 2: Yes If the CEO has more than 50% shares, the war dec vote is nothing more than a formality. I don't think it's intended to add more time on to the war dec process when the whole corp wants the war, so maybe this should be changed. --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:12:00 - [6] No. 8 hours is not enough. Someone could war-dec me in the morning when I'm at work / college / out, and when I come back, I'm free-game. 24 hours is fine, stop being impatient. However! Votes should be passed instantly if 100% of the shareholders agree. --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Pilot 74 The Ugly Ducklings	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:13:00 - [7] #1; A #2; A All in favor say Aye !!!! : X
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:13:00 - [8] 1) A 2) A Speech: Wake me up when the war starts, I'm Sleepy.
Mel Ionix	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:14:00 - [9] Whut? Definitely not enough time addaddadd
Geoff C mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:14:00 - [10] 1A 1B CCP you've nerfed empire warriors and pvp Throw pvpers a bone you (some mean words)

Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:15:00 - [11] #1 No. You wardec me when I log for sleep, I wake up and return from work to find my POS is now floating trash... <Insert some random insult for you not thinking that one out> #2 No. ---- \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/ There is no sence crying over every mistake, You just keep on trying until you run out of Cake!
MaNgO mUfFiNmAn	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:16:00 - [12] 1A 1B
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:16:00 - [13] No, unless someone can give a good reason for it being 8 hours instead of 24. Which, based on the responses so far, isn't going to happen. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare
z504	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:17:00 - [14] 1: no 2: Yes Reasoning: War decs are too long yes, but at the same time you most allow for TZ differences, lowering it to 12 HRs is the lowest I'd suggesat, 15 is about what it should be though
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:21:00 - [15] All votes, not just war-decs, should finish instantly as soon as more than 50% of the shareholders agree. There really is no point in keeping the vote going when the outcome is really decided. And i have to disagree with the 8h war-dec, a 24h dec makes sure everyone across all timezones have advanced warning and are not caught by surprise. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Frug Zenithal Harvest BROTHER'S WORD	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:21:00 - [16] 1 B 2 B If you think 8 hours is "more than enough time for people to get prepared," I think you need to get some sleep/a job/a life. As for 2 I don't really care. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
OrAnGe MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:22:00 - [17] 1A 1B
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:22:00 - [18] 1 No Need to account for real life issues for both you and the target so TZ, work, school ect need to be considered 24 hours should allow people of all situations at least some time to prepare. 2 Yes Don't see why not, if the vote is guaranteed to be a yes then I don't see any problem with skipping it. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
cInNaMeN mUfFiNmAn	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:29:00 - [19] 1A 2A
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:31:00 - [20] Originally by: cInNaMeN mUfFiNmAn 1A 2A Are these all alts of the OP? --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.

Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:31:00 - [21] Wardecs should be able to be pushed through with the consent of the decced corp. I sleep 9 hours most nights. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:33:00 - [22] Quote: Are these all alts of the OP? Yep our whole corp is nothing but alts of Cranberry.
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:34:00 - [23] Amazing flooding the polls with obvious alts and corp mates, as if these have some kind of binding power over CCP. Absolutely amazing.
LeMoN MuFfInMaN Amarr mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:34:00 - [24] 1A 2A Sig removed, please keep it below 24000 bytes, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:34:00 - [25] Edited by: Kelron Queldine on 13/10/2007 23:34:46 Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: Are these all alts of the OP? Yep our whole corp is nothing but alts of Cranberry. I don't mean the whole corp, I mean the 4 with very very similar names, and the childish capitalisation. --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.
Haerana The Republican Guard The Sundering	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: cInNaMeN mUfFiNmAn 1A 2A Are these all alts of the OP? could be. lol or it could just be a whole corp of people who like muffins alot and move from game to game together. either way its lol. they dont seem to give any reasoning to their votes though. so Alt likelyhood rises. Seems to me ur just all up and annoyed because you cant kill people who have had no preperation.... so you want easy kills. abit like people who lure newb corp people out to them with the promises of help to kill em... thats not pvp... thats just lame. ------------------------------- Here comes the sig............. The Cake is a Lie The Cake is a Lie The Cake is a Lie The Cake is a Lie
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Kelron Queldine I don't mean the whole corp, I mean the 4 with very very similar names, and the childish capitalisation. And more flavors keep posting. He probably has 6 of them at least.
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:36:00 - [28] Quote: Amazing flooding the polls with obvious alts and corp mates, as if these have some kind of binding power over CCP. Absolutely amazing. Corp mates get a vote also :P
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:38:00 - [29] Edited by: Sarah McTeef on 13/10/2007 23:38:26 Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: Amazing flooding the polls with obvious alts and corp mates, as if these have some kind of binding power over CCP. Absolutely amazing. Corp mates get a vote also :P Everyone can have a vote, alts included. When everyone is finished voting and debating CCP gathers all the votes and takes a big ol'crap on them and does what it was going to do anyway. So yea, corpmates can have a vote too.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:41:00 - [30] How lucky that CCP don't have to work through this strange version of democracy. They only need to realise it's a bad idea. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions

Tau Vindicore	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Kelron Queldine Edited by: Kelron Queldine on 13/10/2007 23:34:46 Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: Are these all alts of the OP? Yep our whole corp is nothing but alts of Cranberry. I don't mean the whole corp, I mean the 4 with very very similar names, and the childish capitalisation. you spelt capitalization wrong are you a child? HELLO? cant you use a forum which provides spell correction options.
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:43:00 - [32] Edited by: Kelron Queldine on 13/10/2007 23:44:07 Originally by: Tau Vindicore you spelt capitalization wrong are you a child? HELLO? cant you use a forum which provides spell correction options. This Edit: I'd also like to point out that even if it was incorrect, a minor spelling error is a long way from tYpINg LIke ThIs. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Tau Vindicore Originally by: Kelron Queldine Edited by: Kelron Queldine on 13/10/2007 23:34:46 Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: Are these all alts of the OP? Yep our whole corp is nothing but alts of Cranberry. I don't mean the whole corp, I mean the 4 with very very similar names, and the childish capitalisation. you spelt capitalization wrong are you a child? HELLO? cant you use a forum which provides spell correction options. You have started a transatlantic flamewar. Don't do it again. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:43:00 - [34] Quote: Seems to me ur just all up and annoyed because you cant kill people who have had no preperation.... so you want easy kills. abit like people who lure newb corp people out to them with the promises of help to kill em... thats not pvp... thats just lame. Have you ever declared war on a corp? After waiting 48 long hours after your initial decision to declare, you might get a few lucky kills, and then everyone docks up for the rest of the week. The "preparation" time is just gathering enough magazines and ramen noodles to weather the storm outside the stations.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: Seems to me ur just all up and annoyed because you cant kill people who have had no preperation.... so you want easy kills. abit like people who lure newb corp people out to them with the promises of help to kill em... thats not pvp... thats just lame. Have you ever declared war on a corp? After waiting 48 long hours after your initial decision to declare, you might get a few lucky kills, and then everyone docks up for the rest of the week. The "preparation" time is just gathering enough magazines and ramen noodles to weather the storm outside the stations. That would be a "Yes" then. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:48:00 - [36] The fact is, even with 24 hours of preparation, most corps don't do anything except tell their members to stay docked. We want more of an ambush! :P
Tau Vindicore	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:48:00 - [37] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: Tau Vindicore Originally by: Kelron Queldine Edited by: Kelron Queldine on 13/10/2007 23:34:46 Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: Are these all alts of the OP? Yep our whole corp is nothing but alts of Cranberry. I don't mean the whole corp, I mean the 4 with very very similar names, and the childish capitalisation. you spelt capitalization wrong are you a child? HELLO? cant you use a forum which provides spell correction options. You have started a transatlantic flamewar. Don't do it again. Post with your main dont post with your alt again. And its flame war use a space.
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Tau Vindicore Post with your main dont post with your alt again. And its flame war use a space. Since everyone is playing grammar ****, you can't start a sentence with 'And'.
BlOoDy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:51:00 - [39] Edited by: BlOoDy MuFfInMaN on 13/10/2007 23:54:01 1:B - Set this to 12-15 hours maybe is better 2:A I agree with Z504, the 8 HR's is too short but I think he just meant to toss it out there as a suggestion, not THE time to set it to. Awesome, you guy's turned a simple petition into a pointless flame war because you all want to prove how stupid you can be. The Names are not of one person but a corp of people, like so many others, we use a simple but catchy naming convention. I've seen at least 5 other corps doing the same thing. We just did it a LONG time ago before it became popular. How about we try to keep this on topic and stop trying to flame each other.
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Egg Rollz The fact is, even with 24 hours of preparation, most corps don't do anything except tell their members to stay docked. We want more of an ambush! :P Declaring war isn't meant to be an ambush. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!

Kern Hotha Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:52:00 - [41] Why is your name a mess
Pilot 74 The Ugly Ducklings	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:52:00 - [42] Originally by: Sarah McTeef Originally by: Tau Vindicore Post with your main dont post with your alt again. And its flame war use a space. Since everyone is playing grammar ****, you can't start a sentence with 'And'. There are rules to the use of "And" as a start to a sentence. And I rest my case.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Tau Vindicore Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: Tau Vindicore Originally by: Kelron Queldine Edited by: Kelron Queldine on 13/10/2007 23:34:46 Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: Are these all alts of the OP? Yep our whole corp is nothing but alts of Cranberry. I don't mean the whole corp, I mean the 4 with very very similar names, and the childish capitalisation. you spelt capitalization wrong are you a child? HELLO? cant you use a forum which provides spell correction options. You have started a transatlantic flamewar. Don't do it again. Post with your main dont post with your alt again. And its flame war use a space. You lose. This is my main, the name is a reference to the story Day Million by F Pohl available here. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:53:00 - [44] Grammatical errors notwithstanding, 24 hours is too long to wait. 8 hours can be perhaps too soon. I agree with Bloody on 12-15.
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Pilot 74 Originally by: Sarah McTeef Originally by: Tau Vindicore Post with your main dont post with your alt again. And its flame war use a space. Since everyone is playing grammar **, you can't start a sentence with 'And'. There are rules to the use of "And" as a start to a sentence. And I rest my case. See thats why I never play grammer ** myself. In any case it seems lazy.
Pilot 74 The Ugly Ducklings	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:54:00 - [46] Originally by: Egg Rollz Grammatical errors notwithstanding, 24 hours is too long to wait. 8 hours can be perhaps too soon. I agree with Bloody on 12-15. Agreed-
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:57:00 - [47] Originally by: Egg Rollz Grammatical errors notwithstanding, 24 hours is too long to wait. 8 hours can be perhaps too soon. I agree with Bloody on 12-15. I don't think it is. I did empire wars for close to a year, and the bit I had a problem with was the vote before you can declare. The 24h wait period means you can declare war during your normal playing time, then be online and ready to go when the war goes live. It also means that players in different timezones or with limited playing time will at least have had a chance to find out about the war before it starts. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:58:00 - [48] Quote: You lose. This is my main, the name is a reference to the story Day Million by F Pohl available here. If that's your main, you shouldn't worry about war declaration mechanics, since you're conveniently protected by Deep Core Mining
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Egg Rollz Quote: You lose. This is my main, the name is a reference to the story Day Million by F Pohl available here. If that's your main, you shouldn't worry about war declaration mechanics, since you're conveniently protected by Deep Core Mining Yeah. I had some disagreements with my previous corp and then they imploded. I've yet to pick a new one. I will. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Egg Rollz mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:00:00 - [50] Quote: I did empire wars for close to a year, and the bit I had a problem with was the vote before you can declare. True, I agree. The 24 hour vote period is a headache.

Haerana The Republican Guard The Sundering	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:20:00 - [51] Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: Egg Rollz The fact is, even with 24 hours of preparation, most corps don't do anything except tell their members to stay docked. We want more of an ambush! :P Declaring war isn't meant to be an ambush. QFT... if you want to ambush somebody gank somebody in lowsec. Sure people can hide in stations all they want, If your wardec-ing carebears why shouldnt they? They dont want a fight so they dont give you one, they hide, like good ickle carebears. If you want a fight Wardec somebody who will give you one. Not everybody likes the fighty side of eve. So they choose to hide from it. ------------------------------- Here comes the sig............. The Cake is a Lie The Cake is a Lie The Cake is a Lie The Cake is a Lie
shortattenionsp	Posted - 2007.10.14 01:12:00 - [52] Considering some skills in this game take literally months to train, waiting 24 hours before you can pewpew people isn't that long. Some people do other things apart from play eve, by the way. 8 hours you say, you seriously never go longer than 8 hours without logging into the game? Go outside more.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:04:00 - [53] I'm reading an unusually high amount of fail in this thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare
Stephen HB Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.10.14 06:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Haerana Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: Egg Rollz The fact is, even with 24 hours of preparation, most corps don't do anything except tell their members to stay docked. We want more of an ambush! :P Declaring war isn't meant to be an ambush. QFT... if you want to ambush somebody gank somebody in lowsec. Given that that is the Muffins' MO, I'd say they're getting bored now that Vecamia is known to be a pirate haven and only noobs and anti-pirates go there. so now they want to send their alts highsec ganking, since all their mains are at minus eleventyhundred security. ---------- Signature core stabiliser II activated. This sig is immune to mod tampering! Rawr! EVE Tracking Guide
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2007.10.14 06:44:00 - [55] Edited by: spurious signal on 14/10/2007 06:45:58 1B 2B 8 hours is too short. Some of us have jobs, lives, etc. edit: oh and LOL at the OP posting votes with his own alts :D
vickers	Posted - 2007.10.14 07:19:00 - [56] aliances dont have to w8 so why shud i when i have 100% of the shares 2a
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.14 07:40:00 - [57] 1.b 2.b i love the mUfFiN fAcToRy they make tasty baked goods.i would like a few scones a marzapan cake and 3 dead carebears. 8 hours is not long enough, though i do think there should be a feature that lets shareholders vote to activate the war sooner. If babies were not meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be hibachi sized.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:15:00 - [58] Poorly designed poll but if I understand it its... 1: B = no reason: I am at work for 9 hours every day, if you declare war at my corp just after I go to work I would be a valid war taget the second I got home and logged on. I usually sleep 5-9 hours a night, on average I would say 7, if I thus am not on untill the second I fall asleep and if I dont log back in the second I get back I am a valid target. 2: B = no reason: why should shares in the corp have any affect on the time before you get to fight? In a mutual wardec, ie both sides dec each other it should be instant but why should a single player in his own corp be able to wardec a corp and instantly be allowed to go out and kill the target in highsec. My opinion is that you want to make it easier to gank. The timer untill a war goes hot is there for a reason and that reason is that people play at different times, if the timer is shorter than it is very possible that a war can be declared, go hot and the members can be camped before they even know a war is happening. This would be bad.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Pilot 74 Originally by: Sarah McTeef Originally by: Tau Vindicore Post with your main dont post with your alt again. And its flame war use a space. Since everyone is playing grammar ****, you can't start a sentence with 'And'. There are rules to the use of "And" as a start to a sentence. And I rest my case. The english language is funny that way, you can even use the twise in a row in some cases ie "the the house", I have seen it used correctly in one of Lovecrafts novels.
Scimon Tinker	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:29:00 - [60] hey hey 1. B - only because 8hrs isnt a respectable time and will take me outside my timezone when the war dec went active. However i do agree it could be shortened 2. B - CEO's can be suffer a bit from meglomania but instadec's sound interesting. Maybe War Dec's could be an hour... "FUAKHKSDJ LKAJ you lkjlkjdaing Griefer me and my corp will wtfpwnjoo expect a war dec in the post . . . you have 1 hour to prepare"

Norwood Franskly	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:35:00 - [61] 8 Hours is way to short, people work, sleep etc, give people time to prepare or run and hide if thats there plan...
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:37:00 - [62] /vote 1B 2A - TQ has encountered a database issue, we are sitting around wondering why it has crashed this time, waiting for 500,000 petitions and watching the forums fill up. Post with your alt!
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:01:00 - [63] 1B 2B
Your Main	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:19:00 - [64] 1B 2A...
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.14 12:08:00 - [65] Originally by: Fester Addams reason: why should shares in the corp have any affect on the time before you get to fight? In a mutual wardec, ie both sides dec each other it should be instant but why should a single player in his own corp be able to wardec a corp and instantly be allowed to go out and kill the target in highsec. Actually, that wasn't the point of question B. I don't know if you've ever processed a war dec, but currently you have to put it to the vote first, which takes a minimum of 24 hours, before you can declare war, which then has the 24h wait period before you can fight. The vote clearly isn't designed to give the other corp more time to prepare, as they don't even know it is going on, it's merely to give people a chance to vote in the event that there are actually multiple shreholders in a corp that may not all want to go to war. The vote is based on the number of shares of the voters, so if over 50% of the shares have been used to vote one way, the vote is already decided, so why shouldn't it finish instantly? It wouldn't allow a player to go out and gank a corp immediately, but it would mean that a player in his own corp could declare war immediately without having to vote (and then he would have to wait the 24h before he could fight). --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!


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