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Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:36:00 - [1] Here are a few questions: (1) Would an Apoc do well for snipping? The Apoc can perma run 8 tachyons. (2) What do you guys think about using the following setup for pos take downs and lag infested fleet battles? (3) Are there any amarr bs setups that (1) perma run without cap boosters (2) have a full rack of Tachyon II for sniping Here is a setup that I was thinking of sniping with an Apoc. It perma runs without cap rechargers. It only does 400 dps. Here is a setup that can Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I You can substitute a Tracking Computer for a MWD.
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:40:00 - [2] Originally by: Perfect Diamond Here are a few questions: (1) Would an Apoc do well for snipping? The Apoc can perma run 8 tachyons. (2) What do you guys think about using the following setup for pos take downs and lag infested fleet battles? (3) Are there any amarr bs setups that (1) perma run without cap boosters (2) have a full rack of Tachyon II for sniping Here is a setup that I was thinking of sniping with an Apoc. It perma runs without cap rechargers. It only does 400 dps. Here is a setup that can Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Aurora L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I You can substitute a Tracking Computer for a MWD. If you can STFU and use the ship in real instead EFT playing u will see BTW DOnt ask about ships that u will not use :S!! bcoz if u get the no-nobness to get a BS u will figure out for yourself BTW Apoc sniper? :S!! Get a girlfriend ( non virtual a non Made it on EFT )
Sauromugue	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:45:00 - [3] HOLY **, talk about troll'd**
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:29:00 - [4] Sc0rphion, under Rule #21 I will give you the opportunity to resolve this problem. You have violated several rules of the forum. Here are just some of them. (4) You were not respectfull. (7) You have been trolling. You have not only done this to my thread but you have done it to many other threads. Anyone who disagrees, check his recent posts that match the time stamp of this post. His last 10 posts were trolls. (16) For no reason, you were making fun of a newb. Actually, I'm not a noob. This is just one of my many characters but your intent was the same. (19) The use of STFU can clearly by interpreted as profanity. You have used this several times in your recent posts. If you do not apologize AND stop trolling people's threads, I will make sure CCP is notified about you. Your trolling will stop now!
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:33:00 - [5] I know your pain in trying to make the Apoc useful. Honestly though ive tried and failed. -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Perfect Diamond Sc0rphion, under Rule #21 I will give you the opportunity to resolve this problem. You have violated several rules of the forum. Here are just some of them. (4) You were not respectfull. (7) You have been trolling. You have not only done this to my thread but you have done it to many other threads. Anyone who disagrees, check his recent posts that match the time stamp of this post. His last 10 posts were trolls. (16) For no reason, you were making fun of a newb. Actually, I'm not a noob. This is just one of my many characters but your intent was the same. (19) The use of STFU can clearly by interpreted as profanity. You have used this several times in your recent posts. If you do not apologize AND stop trolling people's threads, I will make sure CCP is notified about you. Your trolling will stop now! uh-oh... forum paladin sighted --- planetary interaction idea!
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Perfect Diamond Sc0rphion, under Rule #21 I will give you the opportunity to resolve this problem. You have violated several rules of the forum. Here are just some of them. (4) You were not respectfull. (7) You have been trolling. You have not only done this to my thread but you have done it to many other threads. Anyone who disagrees, check his recent posts that match the time stamp of this post. His last 10 posts were trolls. (16) For no reason, you were making fun of a newb. Actually, I'm not a noob. This is just one of my many characters but your intent was the same. (19) The use of STFU can clearly by interpreted as profanity. You have used this several times in your recent posts. If you do not apologize AND stop trolling people's threads, I will make sure CCP is notified about you. Your trolling will stop now! Hahahhaha hahahhahaha ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL Calling me a Troll its an insult... and btw nobody likes lawyers I apport something for the forum comunity...!! That shut the hell up to people that use Ships and Modules to Whine and complaint about CCP CCP defender??? nooo.. im not im just tired that a forum fill of crap for EFT and questions stupids like yours U violate the rule of Not use search U violate the rule of Cry out loud U violate the rule # 21q14 art 23 of Talon low of I will whine CCP about you.. becoz u are a bad bad bad man If someone ask .. Give me information of fitting Dont answer with.. "My eft tell this and that " If some one ask question like yours.. Should drop dead And Emo ppl like you.. Must die !! BTW STop whinning little girl Be a man and grow up.. If u dont like my childness so Dont pay attention!! sissy Mom mom mom Perfect Diamond go to tell CCP about me :'(
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:40:00 - [8] CCP has been notified.
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Perfect Diamond CCP has been notified. My answer of this quote
ITTigerClawIK Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:47:00 - [10] ignore the guy hes been trolling on so many threads i dont think i can count them all Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Hijara Amarr Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Perfect Diamond The Apoc can perma run 8 tachyons. what the hell have you been smoking!? do you even fly the ship?
ITTigerClawIK Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:59:00 - [12] if i can perma run 8 mega beams and have my active armour tank running im sure that with a few Cap rigs you can perma run 8 tachys Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
HEINZ ZERO PsyCorp INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:45:00 - [13] Apoc setup tipps for fleet battle 1. You always need MWD(named) 2. You should fit 3x trimarks, one less heat sink and a 1600 mm plate 3. for travelling you need a cloaking device too -> one less beam /(with AWU 5) you can drop one RCU2 4. I always use a med armor repper for self repairing in ss I think you don¦t need permarunning lasers in fleet battle, when you are primary tank is more important for POS takedowns you can change Heatsinks / tracking enhancer to CPR II¦s
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.16 02:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Kuzya Morozov on 16/10/2007 02:50:28 edit`d since i don't feel like trolling a troll training skills... :(
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.16 04:24:00 - [15] Okay, this is from first hand experience from a pure pvper who has been in a good number of sustained grid engagements that ran 30 minutes+. Yes the apoc can easily permarun 8 tachs. In fact I permarun mine with a mwd fitted, the mwd being absolutely necessary in this day of dictors and large bubbles. 8 tach IIs with Aurora L mwd II / 2 sensor booster II / tracking computer II 2 RCU II / 2 CPR II / 1 Heat Sink II / 2 Tracking Enhancer II There is enough cap left over on this setup to hit the mwd for a couple/few cycles to get out of trouble. Radio Ls use a lot more cap, and I can only run 7 guns when popping stations etc. I'm pretty sure I could take off a CPR and fit another heat sink if I could be sure I would only be using the Auroras. I regularly lock to 220 and optimal + falloff is 190, with typical fleet bonuses. Take things like logistical issues and reload times into account, the apoc is a perfectly fine fleet battleship, and if the thron or the tempest happen to deliver 1.5% more damage over time or 10% more alpha or whatever that's certainly nothing to get excited about when one slap of a nerfbat could change everything tomorrow. Also, alpha strike isn't everything it's *****ed up to be. I mean it's nice for hitting the first target with some thump, but when you spend on average half of your rof time waiting for your guns to be ready on the next target, its importance greatly diminishes.
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.16 04:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Danari Radio Ls use a lot more cap, and I can only run 7 guns when popping stations etc. I'm pretty sure I could take off a CPR and fit another heat sink if I could be sure I would only be using the Auroras. I regularly lock to 220 and optimal + falloff is 190, with typical fleet bonuses. Radio uses 10% less cap than Aurora...... The Apoc as a sniper is okay if you are trained only for Amarr and don't have a lot of ISK, while more expensive the Abaddon severely outclasses it and the Tempest outperforms it significantly for the same cost. Some of the setups listed are rather iffy as well, all fleet snipers should have MWD and DC, and saying to drop a turret for a cloak on a fleet sniper is just
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.16 04:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Lowanaera The Apoc as a sniper is okay if you are trained only for Amarr and don't have a lot of ISK, while more expensive the Abaddon severely outclasses it I strongly disagree. The Abaddon at best can run its guns for 2 minutes even with a slap-load of cprs. I've heard nothing but *****ing about it from ex-Abaddon pilots who went back to the apoc. The tempest does not outdamage the apoc, and I believe my observations about alpha vs. dot paint a clearer picture than eft or paper calculations.
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.16 05:12:00 - [18] Well if they're fitting CPRs to a fleet sniper Abaddon they're doing it wrong. An injector-fit Abaddon with just 1 Heatsink has considerably more alpha and slightly more DPS than a 3-heatsink Apoc while being DD-proof and runs just fine.
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.16 08:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Lowanaera Well if they're fitting CPRs to a fleet sniper Abaddon they're doing it wrong. An injector-fit Abaddon with just 1 Heatsink has considerably more alpha and slightly more DPS than a 3-heatsink Apoc while being DD-proof and runs just fine. this an baddon is better then a apoc in fleet battles. Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.16 09:34:00 - [20] They tried that too, it still didn't keep up, they ran out of charges, and a tach that's turned off because of cap shoots the dot argument all to hell. You can only bring about 9 800s with you, which is enough for something like 72 additional shots from an otherwise offline gun. I give up. You guys obviously haven't used this ship in heavy duty fleet work, and your opinions are based on flawed theoretical jawing.
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.16 12:36:00 - [21] Edited by: Lowanaera on 16/10/2007 12:40:58 9? You have 5 loaded and 15 in cargo, and that's plenty for long engagements. But you're right, this is all just EFT theorycraft. I didn't siege QR-K85, including 150v150 fleet engagements. I didn't siege 9UY4-H for a month against experienced sniper forces including Ev0ke and 0utbreak. I didn't fight BoB/MC/FIX in 25S and FAT. I haven't been fighting BoB fleets in Southern Providence for the past several weeks over FSW. I have been using sniper-Abaddons for a long time, and injected setup works just fine for sustained engagements. No, your charges aren't limitless, but 20 charges is enough for several hours of fighting, especially if the lag is bad, and any of your alliance-mates in Apocs or Geddons can and should be bringing spares along. By your own admission you don't even fly the ship, and yet you're going off on others whom you have no idea of the experience of as just being EFT theorists?
Lisento Slaven Amarr BAD ATTITUDES	Posted - 2007.10.16 12:45:00 - [22] I would rather use the apoc without cap injectors over the abaddon with cap injectors. One less logistical issue to worry about + the ship is a bit cheaper. --- Put in space whales!
ciapek Amarr Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.16 12:46:00 - [23] ive amarr bs lvl 4 and all support skills lvl 5 or 5 and .... apoc is better than geddon for sniping cause it can shoot longer than geddons with tachs about little iver 1 minute ( geddon driers in 45 secs - w/o rigs) apoc have extra med slot so yes cap booster cause after few cycles on mwd u get dry and with 1/2 of cap there is no shooting :) 30-45 secs and u wont be able to use 8 tachyons with mwd on that ship, if i rember well it needs PGU to fit all that. sux i hate my amarr fleet bs, for pulses geddon is ok, apoc was good for nos ship ( before nos nerf) abbadon sux totally for me - cap boosting all the time or die dry :D its more like which amarr ship dont run out of cap all the time ah khanid - gimme khanid BS !!!! my mistake why i go with amarr ? my noob gallente alt can beat my amarr ships in most classes ..... waiting for day ccp with boost lasers ... or should i cross train galente ?
Samhein Khante	Posted - 2007.10.16 17:14:00 - [24] The first fit is not good. You don't need 4 tracking mods and you do need an MWD. Also, adding 3 CCC rigs adds a ton of cost for fairly little utility. I don't like the one heatsink fitting either. The whole point of a sniping battleship is to glass cannon enemy ships with focus fire. Dropping 2 heatsinks results in something like 13% less alpha and 27% less DPS. I don't view that as acceptable. The plates aren't all that likely to save you in a fleet engagement where you will be (likely) tackled and then killed. Personally I've been using; Highs 8x Tachyon Beam Laser II Mids 2x Sensor Booster II 1x Tracking Computer II 1x Quad LiF MWD Lows 3x Reactor Control Unit II 3x Heat Sink II 1x Tracking Enhancer II Rigs 1x Algid Energy Administration Rig 2x Energy Discharge Elutriation Rig For additional range, one of the energy discharge rigs can be swapped for a locus rig. The rigs add a bit to the cost, but its not prohibitive. IIRC its about 15-17m for the rigs listed.

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