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Amardan Khan	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:11:00 - [1] Hi all. Is there a code of honour amongts player pirates or everyone is fair game? I just been playing for 2 weeks and finally got me a destroyer against NPC pirates. ambushed and destroyed by player pirate. all 2 weeks worth of ISK/loot gone in a flash. I was killed by someone with years of experience using battleship and didn't even get a chance to surrender.
Phantom Slave	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:26:00 - [2] From what I've seen (as I'm not a pirate myself) is that most pirates attack targets of opportunity, to make money. I don't think there are really any rules they go by, other than picking fights they know they can win. Besides, if you were blasted while killing NPC's, then you were in a security rating you shouldn't have been in. Stay in .5 and above space to try to keep this from happening again.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:27:00 - [3] There are no rules.... except the unwritten one about honoring ransoms IF you feel like giving the guy a break. Break a ransom agreement after someone pays generally isn't accepted by the pirate community. Everyone is fair game... carebears and other pirates alike. Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Amardan Khan Hi all. Is there a code of honour amongts player pirates or everyone is fair game? We like to think of them more as guidelines... Really though, no there is no "code of honor".. Some pirates will try to come after you 1v1 for the glorykill, others will blob you just to get on the killmail or expecting that you might be some sort of trap.. As has already been said, pretty much anything is fair game.. Only real "code" pirates will adhere to is honoring ransoms.. Taxman III: Attack of the Blob
jimmyjam Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:29:00 - [5] I have my own personal code of honor like, make good on ransoms or any other.Business dealings. On the issues of 1 v 1,s I as general rule will not do 1 v 1 unless its someone i know. -----------------------------------------------
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Amardan Khan didn't even get a chance to surrender. Are you perchance French? ____ The Video Vault
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:41:00 - [7] I 1v1 whenever I catch a carebear ratting in a belt Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:20:00 - [8] 1) Don't break ransoms 2) Do whatever you want 3) There are NO rules after #3. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Amardan Khan didn't even get a chance to surrender. Are you perchance French? f'ing hilarious. really. sigh did you get that one from blue collar comedy or are your sources of comedy not quite that advanced yet? new material please. french bashing went out of style when redneck humor was finally recognized as overrated.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:30:00 - [10] yeah, where do you get off making fun of the french Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
ForeverBlue	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:31:00 - [11] EVE Online is all about space honor. Where have you been that you don't understand this?
Caeruleus Ardea The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:56:00 - [12] Shoot to kill. caer
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Mr Bodacious french bashing went out of style when redneck humor was finally recognized as overrated. No. No it didn't. French bashing never goes out of style. Kinda like mullets and monster trucks. Yeehaw! You can try to be as hi-brow as you like, but you know you love it. Taxman III: Attack of the Blob
Darkopteron A Black Knight Corp FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Amardan Khan Hi all. Is there a code of honour amongts player pirates or everyone is fair game? I just been playing for 2 weeks and finally got me a destroyer against NPC pirates. ambushed and destroyed by player pirate. all 2 weeks worth of ISK/loot gone in a flash. I was killed by someone with years of experience using battleship and didn't even get a chance to surrender. Every newbie does this at first, welcome to EVE, pvp is non-consentual - meaning people can and will hunt you down and shoot you without permission and without warning. Oh and don't NPC in lowsec or you're a sitting duck.
Malicious Afterthought Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:47:00 - [15] I assume that everyone not in my corporation wants to kill me, and some in it as well. As a guideline, I run with this. But then I got told that once by someone a long time ago and <sudden silence as tranq dart hits Mali A in the neck> Ohh, ponies... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Ka Jolo	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:04:00 - [16] Many pirates are quite honorable, once you get beyond the non-consensual PvP thing. They'll honor 1v1, keep their word, etc. However, they do this according to some personal code of theirs rather than a more general pirate code. The reason most pirates honor ransoms is simply that if they didn't there would be no motive for anyone to pay ransom. Originally by: Phantom Slave From what I've seen (as I'm not a pirate myself) is that most pirates attack targets of opportunity, to make money. I don't think there are really any rules they go by, other than picking fights they know they can win. A common set of misconceptions. While pirates would ideally like to make money, the sad truth is that many lose money. There are many motivations for piracy, among them greed, an addiction to adrenaline, a thirst for glory (killmails), a hate for macro miners (combined with the delusion that anyone else in lowsec is a macro miner), etc. Also, many pirates pick fights they're really not sure they can win. While it is true that no sane pirate picks a fight he's sure to lose, and nearly all pirates will happily attack a clueless young pilot in way over his head, pirates often take on opponents that statistically they should lose to. Solo pirates in frigates often take down cruisers, small gangs of pirates attack larger gangs, pirates attack bait ships with the full realization the ships may be bait, etc. Pirates know that not all pilots have the experience and skill required to match their ship, and will sometimes bet on it. One of the pirate's key weapons is the element of surprise--if they can jump a ship focused on ratting in lowsec, they may be able to take down a stronger ship that (a) is not fitted for PvP, (b) is already partially damaged by rats, and (c) may not realize he is under attack until too late. Note that this is a gamble; the "ratter" may in fact be on an anti-pirate hunt, fitted for PvP against pirates and alert to the pirates as soon as they enter the system. To make a long story short, most pirates have had their ships blasted out from under them--and had their pod destroyed--more often than their victims have.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 17/10/2007 03:22:39 And we learn from that and apply what we've learned to teach others the lesson... there's no downside here Though it does suck attacking the hulk that has very decieptfully been fitted to gank with that one distracting strip miner to confuse you then before you know it you're NOSSED, Damped, neuted, and under fire from many well trained up drones Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.17 04:22:00 - [18] The only generally respected rule is to honor your word, especially when concerning ransoms. I personally, sometimes let noobs go if I'm in a forgiving mood and they're flying something crappy like a t1 frig. Kinda like how one would throw the small fish back because you don't want to bother cleaning them. Noobs flying bigger ships that they really aren't ready for are not shown such mercy.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.17 04:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Amardan Khan Hi all. Is there a code of honour amongts player pirates or everyone is fair game? I just been playing for 2 weeks and finally got me a destroyer against NPC pirates. ambushed and destroyed by player pirate. all 2 weeks worth of ISK/loot gone in a flash. I was killed by someone with years of experience using battleship and didn't even get a chance to surrender. LOL, no. :) Though it wasn't nice of him to do that, PVP in EVE non-consensual. In his defence you could have been an alt or you could have carried something very valuable with you. I have seen a Cormorant killed that had a Domination Webb on it - worth 150-200 m ISK. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.10.17 06:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Mr Bodacious Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Amardan Khan didn't even get a chance to surrender. Are you perchance French? f'ing hilarious. really. sigh did you get that one from blue collar comedy or are your sources of comedy not quite that advanced yet? new material please. french bashing went out of style when redneck humor was finally recognized as overrated. here is something new for you... :Go to "google" type in "French Military Victories" then click on the "I'm feeling lucky" button response:quite funny sry..had too "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.17 07:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Amardan Khan Hi all. Is there a code of honour amongts player pirates or everyone is fair game? It is all fair game. No code of conduct. If you shoot blues by mistake..send in a diplomat, I will take the heat So bottom line, shoot first, diplomacy later. We all like pew pew I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:48:00 - [22] Not really, though it's generally accepted that pirates will honor their word when it comes to ransoms. This is more because if we stopped honoring them, no one would pay than a deep rooted respect for the cattle that wander beyond the boundaries of highsec, laden with all manner of riches aboard their ships. Not that you turn a profit through piracy anyway, unless you only fight when you can win, of course.
Milkman Dan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:03:00 - [23] An honor code amongst what would be the honorless. I frequent the Eve Radio channel in game, and I stated that I got 10 mil from a dude after I had ransomed him. Someone mentioned I should have taken the money and then blown him up anyway. So I got to thinking about that. Should I ransom the guy all the time, or just simply blow them up? Then, today as I way flying looking for some action, I end up in a system with a stabber on scanner. This dude was beating my brutix, since I was fitted for close range action (blasters). I knew I was dead since I ran out of boosters, and had 2 valks left. I knew I was dead, and the stabber pilot knew I was dead. I offered 10 mil, and he took it. What does that tell you? The guy felt like giving me a break and took 10 mil. Clearly, had he beat me, he would maybe have made at least double that from my fittings, if they had survived. That was an epic fight with that, and totally in his favor. He never went below 50% shields. I didn't want to lose my ship because it would have been a total inconvience to me, but on the other hand, I was not affraid of losing it. That pilot knew what he was doing, and it put me in a surreal mood. This guy is keeping me in eve because of that fight. I'd take his honor, over a lto of other people's, just for that single moment when he and I both knew I was dead. I'd like to say he took the money as an affirmation that we both knew I lost. I also like to think that when pirates face off from one another, they have some honor between them. There are others out there, who I won't name, that make outrageous ransom prices. 50 mil for a brutix is not reasonable, but it all depends on the mood of the pirate. I bounced a retriever mining in a .3 system. He offered a percentage of his ore, but seeing as I had no way of hauling it, I demanded a ransom of 10 mil. He didn't pay so he lost his barge and all his ore. That was my mood at the time. It all boils down to how the pirate in question mood is. Some days I'm going out with the sole intention of blowing ppl up, and others I just want some isk for that day, even though I could lose my ship 5 minutes after making a successful ransom.
Raynes Orbis Gallente Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:11:00 - [24] Edited by: Raynes Orbis on 17/10/2007 11:10:58 There is no code or rule for piracy when it comes to selecting targets other than NBSI. If you can lock it, kill it. Be it alone or in a gang of 3. Dont even expect to be left alone if you fly a newbee ship, god knows what you might have in that limited cargo of yours :). So basically, if you want to preserve the ship you fly, apply caution and watch local. Use the scanner, if you start feeling eerie... run for your life -----
MKB Industries Gallente Mercenaries 4 Hire Blue Sun Trust	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Amardan Khan Hi all. Is there a code of honour amongts player pirates or everyone is fair game? I just been playing for 2 weeks and finally got me a destroyer against NPC pirates. ambushed and destroyed by player pirate. all 2 weeks worth of ISK/loot gone in a flash. I was killed by someone with years of experience using battleship and didn't even get a chance to surrender. If you want to surrender do NOT go into 0.4 space. You had a warning before you enterd. Once you did you were open season. You can always try to find a anti pirate corp to join. Or any corp for that matter. Safty in numbers.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Amardan Khan Hi all. Is there a code of honour amongts player pirates or everyone is fair game? I just been playing for 2 weeks and finally got me a destroyer against NPC pirates. ambushed and destroyed by player pirate. all 2 weeks worth of ISK/loot gone in a flash. I was killed by someone with years of experience using battleship and didn't even get a chance to surrender. LOL, no. :) Though it wasn't nice of him to do that, PVP in EVE non-consensual. In his defence you could have been an alt or you could have carried something very valuable with you. I have seen a Cormorant killed that had a Domination Webb on it - worth 150-200 m ISK. I once got about 3M of loot of a three week old player in a nearly fully T2 fit Catalyst. Even had a nice heap of T2 stuff in the cargo hold. Would've been more if a lot of the stuff wasn't destroyed... Basically, you never know who might be carrying nice loot, and age is no way to tell.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:03:00 - [27] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/10/2007 12:03:23 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Not that you turn a profit through piracy anyway, unless you only fight when you can win, of course. Because you fight in too expensive ships for the loot you may pick up. I find Rifter piracy to be relatively profitable, and so is a Rupture, as long as you don't get over-zealous with what you attack. BCs I just lose money on, so I stopped that. Takes too many low-sec kills to pay off one, with the average value of a kill these days.
Amardan Khan	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Milkman Dan An honor code amongst what would be the honorless. I frequent the Eve Radio channel in game, and I stated that I got 10 mil from a dude after I had ransomed him. Someone mentioned I should have taken the money and then blown him up anyway. So I got to thinking about that. Should I ransom the guy all the time, or just simply blow them up? Then, today as I way flying looking for some action, I end up in a system with a stabber on scanner. This dude was beating my brutix, since I was fitted for close range action (blasters). I knew I was dead since I ran out of boosters, and had 2 valks left. I knew I was dead, and the stabber pilot knew I was dead. I offered 10 mil, and he took it. What does that tell you? The guy felt like giving me a break and took 10 mil. Clearly, had he beat me, he would maybe have made at least double that from my fittings, if they had survived. That was an epic fight with that, and totally in his favor. He never went below 50% shields. I didn't want to lose my ship because it would have been a total inconvience to me, but on the other hand, I was not affraid of losing it. That pilot knew what he was doing, and it put me in a surreal mood. This guy is keeping me in eve because of that fight. I'd take his honor, over a lto of other people's, just for that single moment when he and I both knew I was dead. I'd like to say he took the money as an affirmation that we both knew I lost. I also like to think that when pirates face off from one another, they have some honor between them. There are others out there, who I won't name, that make outrageous ransom prices. 50 mil for a brutix is not reasonable, but it all depends on the mood of the pirate. I bounced a retriever mining in a .3 system. He offered a percentage of his ore, but seeing as I had no way of hauling it, I demanded a ransom of 10 mil. He didn't pay so he lost his barge and all his ore. That was my mood at the time. It all boils down to how the pirate in question mood is. Some days I'm going out with the sole intention of blowing ppl up, and others I just want some isk for that day, even though I could lose my ship 5 minutes after making a successful ransom.
Amardan Khan	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:51:00 - [29] I once sat on a rock sunbathing in the glory of the sun. A hunter come up from a distance and thought he may take the glow and slpendor that radiated from the live impetious blood pulsating from within me. A pearcing spear buried itself and as I lay dead, I faded and grew pale and all my colors died out of me as one long sigh and now that the flame was put out, the iguana was dead as a sandbag.
Katrina Coreli toxicology	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:44:00 - [30] There is no real code of honour and neither are there any real reprucussions for those who break unwritted rules such as not dishonoring ransoms. Following a moral compass is a pilots own progative, do not rely on it. THE CAKE IS A LIE!

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