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Opium Prime
The Jump Bridge of San Luis Rey
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Posted - 2007.10.16 20:58:00 -
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Help me fit one please.
I surely want cloak and MWD - to pass gate camps and pretend I`m in a Curse\Pilgrim which I`m training to. Other then that I`m not sure. My damage is drones, so nos/neut in highs. But how to tank? I can put 1600 plate and EANMs for passive buffer, but it restricts me to small noses. Speed tank I won`t be able to run for long. To put a regular 800 plate and active armor tank? Also, what for mids? To utilise the bonus and put track disrupters? Or perhaps Damps\ECM burst?
Suggestions?
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:07:00 -
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how exactly do you plan on fooling them into thinking you're a curse/pilgrim? any person worth his salt has ship type set to overview : /
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Jasese
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:08:00 -
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Try screaming in local ^^ might work
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Opium Prime
The Jump Bridge of San Luis Rey
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hardtail how exactly do you plan on fooling them into thinking you're a curse/pilgrim? any person worth his salt has ship type set to overview : /
I meant more like fooling myself.
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macktruck6666
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:11:00 -
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Please use the search option next time b4 you post. I've found this thread with some pretty resent (post-nos-nerf) setups. Arbitrator Setup
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:14:00 -
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Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Tracking Disruptor II Warp Disruptor II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
try that
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:26:00 -
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A cloak won't get you past gatecamps. It will just get you killed 5 seconds later than you would have died anyway. And will gimp your locktime in PvP.
Tracking disruptors can be good, but there are a lot of missile ships out there and you really can't afford to waste a midslot when soloing.
Try this:
2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos 10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control
Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.
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macktruck6666
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 21:35:20
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Try this:
2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos 10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control
Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.
Ummm... Dude First, the cap will be gone in under a min. Second, no mwd stuck inside of 10k webbing the target while webbed doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Third, you can't rely on nos giving you energy since the nerf.
Thats just my take on it.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: macktruck6666 Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 21:35:20
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Try this:
2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos 10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control
Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.
Ummm... Dude First, the cap will be gone in under a min. Second, no mwd stuck inside of 10k webbing the target while webbed doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Third, you can't rely on nos giving you energy since the nerf.
Thats just my take on it.
What's the Cap Booster there for do you think? ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright |
macktruck6666
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:43:00 -
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It's a small cap booster. It can't keep up with the cap demand so it still won't work. It would work if it were a medium but he's already pushing the pg limit.
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest A cloak won't get you past gatecamps. It will just get you killed 5 seconds later than you would have died anyway. And will gimp your locktime in PvP.
Tracking disruptors can be good, but there are a lot of missile ships out there and you really can't afford to waste a midslot when soloing.
Try this:
2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos 10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control
Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.
the cloak can be left if thats what he wants. the rest of the setup is rubbish. That small cap booster wont do jack **** for that much drain, you need a medium. the web is pointless, as he's going to be operating outside web range anyways. one damp wont be enough to do anything worthwhile, though it'd be my second choice. multispec jammer wouldnt either, that slot goes for a tracking disruptor by default.
that setup wont work, and it gives you a *MUCH* lower count of things you can take out as opposed to the relatively speed overdrive setup.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hardtail Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Tracking Disruptor II Warp Disruptor II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
try that
Any reason you put a 4th OD II instead of a Nano II? Also... Cloak = useless, put something useful in there.
Liang
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Captain Rius
Caldari ELITE SUPPORT SERVICE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:43:00 -
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3x nuet 1x nos/drone_uplink/HAM
1x mwd 1x damp/web 1x warp dis 1x M booster with 800s
1x MAR 2x ENAM 1x 800mm tug
Done.
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Hardtail Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Tracking Disruptor II Warp Disruptor II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
try that
Any reason you put a 4th OD II instead of a Nano II? Also... Cloak = useless, put something useful in there.
Liang
not very well versed in speedy setups myself, but im assuming that a nano on the bottom will increase the mwd speed more than that last OD ? dont have EFT right now so no way to check, though it sounds highly plausible.
cloak is there because he asked for it specifically
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macktruck6666
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:32:56
"Speed Tank"
Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II NanofiberInternal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Tracking Disruptor II Warp Disruptor II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Improved Cloaking Device II
You need the cloaking because HE IS A CRUISER. When he gets agro in belt, he can't warp to gate and leave because he has a timer. If he tries, he stands a good chance of getting torn apart by the gate guns.
So, he needs to cloak. That tactic will work until REV 3 comes out and people will be able to start scanning for cloaked ships.
If you want any chance of shooting drones fit Medium Pulse Laser II instead of Focused Medium Pulse Laser II. The increased tracking will help immensely but at the expense of shooting target outside of disruptor range. Most of the damage will come from medium t2 drones.
I don't like that setup to much since it leaves you with no armor tank and only going 2300 m/s. I setup I like more lets the ship go 1400 m/s and has an armor tank.
"Best choice" Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 400mm Reinforce Rolled Tungsten PLates I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II,Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Tracking Disruptor I
Medium Pulse Laser II,Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II,Multifrequency S 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I Prototype Cloaking Device I
Guys, stop suggesting setups that don't even fit.
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Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:37:00 -
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1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU
MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor
mix of small nos and neuts
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macktruck6666
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:42:35
Originally by: Transcendant One 1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU
MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor
mix of small nos and neuts
Your the third person to suggest a mwd and web combination. Why would anyone ever use that combination. Web the target, then your webbed. Web a hostile drone, 8 seconds the drone is out of web range.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: macktruck6666
You need the cloaking because HE IS A CRUISER. When he gets agro in belt, he can't warp to gate and leave because he has a timer. If he tries, he stands a good chance of getting torn apart by the gate guns.
The bold part is patently false, just FYI. I've typed up 3 different posts trying to explain why, but I haven't been able to come off sounding nice.
Liang
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: macktruck6666 Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:42:35
Originally by: Transcendant One 1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU
MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor
mix of small nos and neuts
Your the third person to suggest a mwd and web combination. Why would anyone ever use that combination. Web the target, then your webbed. Web a hostile drone, 8 seconds the drone is out of web range.
You use that combination to get into scram/web range.. otherwise they just warp off?
Liang
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macktruck6666
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: macktruck6666 on 17/10/2007 00:23:17
Ok, I don't like looking stupid but its probably my fault.
Anyway, so how does getting agro in a belt in lowsec and going to a gate not get you blown up. Oops, I just hit some lag and ended up at the gate in a pod. No sarcasm intended. I like the idea of hitting the cloak after and kill, getting something to drink, remember how nice the kill was, come back when the timer is gone and go for another kill. It's either that or try to evade someone scanning for you. Just my opinion.
I can see how you can use the combination to get in range but the web is only seems necessary for faster targets. It seems to me that the going 1400 m/s should be faster than any non nano ship/ non-interceptor . I geuss I just don't get it.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: macktruck6666 Edited by: macktruck6666 on 17/10/2007 00:23:17
Ok, I don't like looking stupid but its probably my fault.
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Anyway, so how does getting agro in a belt in lowsec and going to a gate not get you blown up. Oops, I just hit some lag and ended up at the gate in a pod. No sarcasm intended. I like the idea of hitting the cloak after and kill, getting something to drink, remember how nice the kill was, come back when the timer is gone and go for another kill. It's either that or try to evade someone scanning for you. Just my opinion.
Well, first of all, I think it's fairly common sense to not goto a gate when you've got an agg timer. Second, you can survive a limited engagement under the gates (long enough to jump through and warp out) if you're plated. Third, don't goto the gate when you've got a GCC. Fourth, keep hunting... or keep running if you feel you're being scanned out. TBH, I very rarely have the problem where I'm running from scan probes.
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I can see how you can use the combination to get in range but the web is only seems necessary for faster targets. It seems to me that the going 1400 m/s should be faster than any non nano ship/ non-interceptor . I geuss I just don't get it.
Have you ever looked at the cap consumption of a MWD vs the cap consumption of a web? Most of the setups that say "hey, get in his grill, web him, and steal his lunch money" have a plate or a decent tank.
Also, 1400 m/sec isn't all that fast... fyi. My Hurricane does more than that and still mounts a full tank...
Liang
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.17 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: macktruck6666 Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:42:35
Originally by: Transcendant One 1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU
MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor
mix of small nos and neuts
Your the third person to suggest a mwd and web combination. Why would anyone ever use that combination. Web the target, then your webbed. Web a hostile drone, 8 seconds the drone is out of web range.
You use that combination to get into scram/web range.. otherwise they just warp off?
Liang
i understand where you're coming from, but a ship thats speedtanked entirely cant afford to get into web range, as it just kind of dissapears if its caught.
web/MWD makes perfect sense in a heavy tackler. my myrm hits 1.2k easy, webbed, im not going anywhere anytime soon, but i can afford that since i've got a full tank down below, not a bunch of overdrives/nano
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Julius Romanus
Amarr Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.10.17 01:08:00 -
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I've tried the nano arb before, and what isnt being brought up is that you're fitting 3+ Overdrives, which limits your cargo capacity severely. Taking away booster charges.
On top of which, you arent that fast, so you can expect to run the MWD quite a bit if you plan to kite, which brings us back to the low number of boosters problem. -- All these graphs show is how bad the apocalypse is with different kinds of weapons. -Dr Jigglez |
Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.17 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hardtail
i understand where you're coming from, but a ship thats speedtanked entirely cant afford to get into web range, as it just kind of dissapears if its caught.
web/MWD makes perfect sense in a heavy tackler. my myrm hits 1.2k easy, webbed, im not going anywhere anytime soon, but i can afford that since i've got a full tank down below, not a bunch of overdrives/nano
I believe that all of the ships that had a web fit were fitting plates. Plate cruisers can be pretty deadly...
Liang
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macktruck6666
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Posted - 2007.10.17 01:46:00 -
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Thank you Lian for clarifying. It's a cheap ship, I'll try it out both ways. I guess a neut or drone link augmentor might be a good substitute.
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