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Jurgurtha O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.10.17 06:31:00 - [31] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Dafuzz I know the folks involved in the OP, and know the situation. You apparently don't. I don't know the people involved in the OP, I don't exactly know what happend, hence my question to them. Isn't this what these forums are for, or are they purely for the likes of you to smack in? Originally by: Dafuzz I even remember the conversation posted in this here spamfest formerly known as the forums. You were complaining about CAOD having become a spamfest in one of your earlier posts, don't you realise that it's exactly people like you that are responsible for all this spam posting? Do us all a favor, and unplug your keyboard. A/S/L?
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.17 06:37:00 - [32] BOB guys...don't you think you should be smacking astarte for something more recent? As in...something not 3 years out-dated? Bit lame... Anyway, good luck to your new alliance, hope to see you around sometime
Brobuck GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.17 07:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Jurgurtha A/S/L?[/quote 44/no/fixing an air-conditioner
Altair Mogwa Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.17 07:39:00 - [34] Edited by: Altair Mogwa on 17/10/2007 07:38:53 So... When do we get the part about it being a group decision of all the corps and leadership to pull out as carebears started running for the hills as Aftermath fell. Maybe a fleet battle would make you feel better, but i doubt those 3/4 dreads were going to do much in a land grab against Tri. SGH and JVL only two that remained iirc, JVL joined us. You of all people know the Wraith/Terdy bond and how un-easy it was. Unless the rank and file didn't see it, I thought it all ended with a handshake. I like how you carefully curbed your sentence structure to imply that corps and 'most pilots' were kicked AFTER moving to Q, when the reduction to a holding corp was done in Empire, and none were kicked, just asked to part ways. If you are trying to imply one person who's name starts with what you breath, as 'most pilots' you are reaching. Like how this post both bashes ESA and uses as a former affiliated status gain. If ESA ** on yo so bad why be associated with us. Just make your alliance and have fun, like we are trying to do. Wish all the guys, all the best, so how about we cut the **.
Kastar Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.10.17 07:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Dafuzz Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Dafuzz I think I am gonna cry now. ASL? I need a hug. Say HI to Derek for me. Worst. Smack. Ever. ast Not hardly. Besides, I like to point out your information gathering techniques as being what they are, and that the Nosferatu nerf was long overdue, although my Bhaalgorns needed refitting. I know the folks involved in the OP, and know the situation. You apparently don't. Neener. Anywhoo, Does this mean you won't be my trusting friend? -Dfz You're yet another muppet and deserve to be podded at sundawn Go get a room you two, and please Mr Bobbit, either stay away or say something useful instead of filling the thread. Congrats to the new alliance born. Good luck in your endaveours. -----------------------------------------------
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:55:00 - [36] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 17/10/2007 11:56:04 Originally by: Altair Mogwa Edited by: Altair Mogwa on 17/10/2007 07:38:53 So... When do we get the part about it being a group decision of all the corps and leadership to pull out as carebears started running for the hills as Aftermath fell. Maybe a fleet battle would make you feel better, but i doubt those 3/4 dreads were going to do much in a land grab against Tri. SGH and JVL only two that remained iirc, JVL joined us. You of all people know the Wraith/Terdy bond and how un-easy it was. Unless the rank and file didn't see it, I thought it all ended with a handshake. I like how you carefully curbed your sentence structure to imply that corps and 'most pilots' were kicked AFTER moving to Q, when the reduction to a holding corp was done in Empire, and none were kicked, just asked to part ways. If you are trying to imply one person who's name starts with what you breath, as 'most pilots' you are reaching. Like how this post both bashes ESA and uses as a former affiliated status gain. If ESA ** on yo so bad why be associated with us. Just make your alliance and have fun, like we are trying to do. Wish all the guys, all the best, so how about we cut the **. That pretty much sums it up tbh. I could go even further to explain the errors, and halftruths in your post, but I personally don't care that much about it. Good luck to those who serve under you.
Palvari Ekko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:35:00 - [37] Originally by: lethario desrtuction This new alliance was formed with the former corperations that where deceived into thinking they had a home with Storm Armada. After having to give up Deklin without a fight and then ordered to help Fix defend their space, most pilots found themselves kicked from the alliance after moving their assets, as the alliance was downgraded to only the holding corp. What a load of whiny spoiled self-indulgent ***hattery. Part of the reason ESA went all one-corp was because none of you moved anything. There were maybe 2-3 people from each corp and JVL who virtually put together it's own fleet on US time to move down. ----------------------------------- If you are reading this, I was drunk enough to post on EVE-O forums!
Kenion THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Dafuzz Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu What are you affiliations like? Do you lean towards the GBC or the Coalition, or do you plan to stay neutral in the larger conflict? I assume you're rather hostile to Storm Armada now though. Here it is! I knew it. Linkage GL Probable Cause, and...HI WRAITHSTORM Bwhahaha! This guy just got put on the lol-boat forever! ---------------------------------------------- Fight BoB because all women love the strong who falls, but also the weak that stands.
airdefense	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:41:00 - [39] What? BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Larshus Magrus Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:47:00 - [40] Larshus looks around.. shrugs and walks away. People will believe what the want to... and seldom is it the truth.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:50:00 - [41] At first I misread this as Curse Alliance and was all like :wtc: Have fun blowing up whoever it is you end up blowing up.
GokuZWar	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:29:00 - [42] Edited by: GokuZWar on 17/10/2007 14:33:15 YAY to ESE! We win and are mentioned yet again in the eve-O forums! Thanks for all the comments guys! On a side note, for those guys who attacked terdy directly, no there are no posts here by him. You should be directing the anger toward lethrio as he was the one who left ESE high and dry. Those that follow him DO support him. At least they keep the propiganda out of it. The decsions for things happening weren't deceptive. The situation was explained to those involved, wraith basically didn't have time to mess with the alliance AND his own corp. Feeling the need to stay with those that supported him most (being his corp, not saying the alliance didn't FYI) he felt the need to focus his efforts into the corp itself. The way he talked to us, it wasn't an easy choice to come to. There's no need to post such garbage toward ESE or any of those involved. The whole purpose of the post was to tarnish a name. It's a real low blow and shows the true colors of those who do it. The "Probable cause" of the situation was lack of support from those who left. Those that were left behind in ESE and choose to join us are stronger from it. Thanks to all of those who joined up. We owe you greatly and are stronger because of it. Those who left, we thank you too.
lethario desrtuction Yonder Mountain Productions PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:45:00 - [43] Quote: I like how you carefully curbed your sentence structure to imply that corps and 'most pilots' were kicked AFTER moving to Q, when the reduction to a holding corp was done in Empire, and none were kicked, just asked to part ways. Lets see SAT night OPS --(all pilots move bs and supplys to Q ) SUN Morning---ESE is now reducing itself to only the holding corp and lets terlinger know that he is being kicked also.This is after he supported the alliance in deklin and was the majority sovernty holder for the constilations. Even when Storm Armada was kicked from BWF, Vale, The new regions, and finally Deklin (suprised they havent been kicked out of empire yet) Terdlinger and Stone Grave Haulage was always regaurded as being ESE.Then to be booted ( sorry i mean asked to leave )from the alliance after all that he had done, left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Also the paranoid Wraithstorm --Yelling at everyone because we all hung out in terdy's corp room on TS didnt help things either (Didn't know a room name would make a CIC so bitter(cosidering terdy is euro time and was first one on ts everyday I might add) Consider that during the euro daytime Terdlinger and me ran ESE only to be scoulded by Wraith for anything we did. Most of the time without Wraith even knowing the situation at hand( yelling in corp chat and armada fleet channel and not being on ts never happened right guys ) So since Wraith liked to air his laundry in public and moderate or delete any forum post we evermade on the armada forums lets just do it here and get it over with !! Suggestion to Wraith train up on your social skills in game and out might help ya in the future with not lossing good pvp pilots and corperations.
lethario desrtuction Yonder Mountain Productions PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:52:00 - [44] Edited by: lethario desrtuction on 17/10/2007 14:53:02 Quote: Those that were left behind in ESE and choose to join us are stronger from it. Thanks to all of those who joined up. We owe you greatly and are stronger because of it. Those who left, we thank you too. No, you are just stupid and havent realized you are being used for what Wraith and only Wraith wants to do.Your opinion doesn't count and one day you will realized this as have all former members of ESA
Clain Matta Gallente Canadia Security Institute PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:02:00 - [45] What do you mean follow. He follows me, just beat me there. Anyways, as one of the ceo's that represent this alliance, the future looks bright and the days that we get with it are far to short as it is to be meddling in the headache that is surely to follow this forum post.. Clain
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:08:00 - [46] Originally by: lethario desrtuction Quote: I like how you carefully curbed your sentence structure to imply that corps and 'most pilots' were kicked AFTER moving to Q, when the reduction to a holding corp was done in Empire, and none were kicked, just asked to part ways. Lets see SAT night OPS --(all pilots move bs and supplys to Q ) SUN Morning---ESE is now reducing itself to only the holding corp and lets terlinger know that he is being kicked also.This is after he supported the alliance in deklin and was the majority sovernty holder for the constilations. Even when Storm Armada was kicked from BWF, Vale, The new regions, and finally Deklin (suprised they havent been kicked out of empire yet) Terdlinger and Stone Grave Haulage was always regaurded as being ESE.Then to be booted ( sorry i mean asked to leave )from the alliance after all that he had done, left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Also the paranoid Wraithstorm --Yelling at everyone because we all hung out in terdy's corp room on TS didnt help things either (Didn't know a room name would make a CIC so bitter(cosidering terdy is euro time and was first one on ts everyday I might add) Consider that during the euro daytime Terdlinger and me ran ESE only to be scoulded by Wraith for anything we did. Most of the time without Wraith even knowing the situation at hand( yelling in corp chat and armada fleet channel and not being on ts never happened right guys ) So since Wraith liked to air his laundry in public and moderate or delete any forum post we evermade on the armada forums lets just do it here and get it over with !! Suggestion to Wraith train up on your social skills in game and out might help ya in the future with not lossing good pvp pilots and corperations. First of all when I announced Storm Armadas collapse into being ESE only I pulled Terdlinger to the side, and explained to him the situation. At the time ESA comprised of 5 Corporations, 2 of which were leaving and merging into 1. Omen and 8318 IIRC, They wanted to stay up north and I believe had plans to relocate to Pureblind in Fallen Souls station. There were some mumbles and grumbles but overall we parted with no hard feelings. What remained was ESE, JVL, and SGH (Terdys Corp) JVL had tons of potential but were wet behind the ears a bit, and after being burned out after Deklein I knew that in order to continue to play this game for enjoyment I was going to have to lighten my load ingame. Something thats done on a daily basis by alot of EVEs older players. I confronted JVLs CEO, now an ESE Director and he understood my predicament, and support my decision to make ESA ESE only. I then approached Terdlinger of SGH in private convo and very specifically ASKED him if SGH would be alright if ESA went ESE only. Please not that this was AFTER ESA was in Empire. I did not leave anyone (to my knowledge) stranded in Deklein. Terdlinger told me that SGH would be fine, and infact explained to me that SGH would be splitting into 2 Corporation to accomplish other goals. Once I heard it from him that he and his men would do ok I made the official decision to bring ESA down to my Corporation. Dont try to twist facts Lethario. You and I dont get along, and thats fine, but you are wrong in what you say and trying to paint me in a way that is not true only shows what you are working with as a pilot. Noone has ever questioned Terdlingers contributions or dedication to ESA. He was my right hand man, and highly respected by me and my men. Up until his support of this post by you that is. You, on the other hand quit ESE the day your son was supposed to fly the Corp freighter to our new empire staging point (After I bought the Corp freighter for him with corp funds) without notice. After telling me the previous evening that you werent going anywhere. Yes, lets air it all out Lethario. Im at work and I have all damn day.
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:17:00 - [47] Oh, regarding the TS room debacle, yea I got ****ed off about it a bit. Reflection shows that it was poor on my part. I'll admit that. Hey everyone has their pet peeves, Im no different. Im off to lunch now. Ill be back in an hour or 2 to check on the flamage.
probablecause Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:35:00 - [48] ORLY! I don't remember giving permission for you to steal my name. Are you going to give me a one time buy off for use of my name for your alliance? 100m ISK should do. ;) Expect to hear from my lawyers! They'll issue a DMCA notice, a trademark infringement case, slander, and other stuff that won't really happen. Cheers ;)
Spitfire5769 Corperation Ghost Fleet GHOST Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:02:00 - [49] As a former ESE and Storm Armada pilot and a former Fixian...I really do wish my old friends Lethario and Terdlinger the best of luck in there new alliance.. I REALLY HOPE they do not have to move from one end of the galaxy to the other as many times as we did back in ESA..I believe i can speak for my ceo in saying GHOSTS will have your guys backs if the need should arise Peace Terdy Former FC ESE New SOLDIER of Ghost Alliance
airdefense	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:05:00 - [50] You could be th e Mascot.. Can you do any tricks?
Altair Mogwa Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:08:00 - [51] So if I'm getting this correct, individuals didn't like how the alliance was begin run, and left... I'm still not seeing the drama here. Isn't that how it works, don't enjoy it part ways? All part of the game. I do stand corrected the restructuring was shortly after Q move, within a couple days. I forgot the fact that the night we flew the A2 pipe with 30+ members 5-6 were a mix of non-ESE. The preverbal straw that broke the camels back. With 600 less people in the alliance still managed to put up similar #'s in roaming gangs. The CEO was not happy with the situation. I think Terdy knew what wraith had to do in order to be happy and enjoy the game, and as seen by this thread, you guys are trying to do what you enjoy. Just o/ and say 'best of luck' jeeeez
airdefense	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:14:00 - [52] Cant we all just get along or we could go to WAR
Screamer	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:51:00 - [53] Leth, Terdy.. Guys I wish you all the best of luck. Gimme a holla when ya need me ya know I am there. And Wriath as a former ESE pilot and commander you are right. We all make mistakes but the main thing in my eyes that was wrong on your behalf is the fact that you dont really talk to anyone that your having problems with, you explode. You cant take care of problems that way. You are a good leader and ceo but with that temper and the way you go insane you wont be able to keep things stable. I enjoyed ESE, I enjoyed your leadership until (what I think it was) you stressed out and popped.From that point you didnt trust most of us much and you were always yelling and so on. You would make snap decisions and just blow. Thats where in my opinion things started falling off. And now your at the point your at. When we were FIX you have a boat load of respect from everyone and your attitude is turning people away from you. ( Ofcourse your no Screamer wink) BUt what ever the case may be with you bro, calm down and talk to your people. Dont get so excited over tid-bits, its nothing but a game.
Ghost Hughdidit Corperation Ghost Fleet GHOST Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:02:00 - [54] Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring Banana phone Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring Banana phone I've got this feeling so appealing for us to get together and sing - SING! Best of luck terd and lethario
Senji Arknon	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:03:00 - [55] lmao Hughs a noob ^_^
Pimp Mustafa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:36:00 - [56] id just like to say its about f#$%*&^ time Terdlinger good loook and see you around some time
Clain Matta Gallente Canadia Security Institute PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Wraithstorm Yes, lets air it all out Lethario. Im at work and I have all damn day. Why don't you work at work?
probablecause Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:58:00 - [58] Originally by: airdefense You could be th e Mascot.. Can you do any tricks? I'm skilled at putting an interdictor bubble in the wrong place. I'm also pretty good at losing my Thanatos, I'm on the third one now. I can't pull a rabbit out of my hat, but I'm pretty good at disappearing, as long as I've got a cloak fitted.
Pius Punitorea Canadia Security Institute PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2007.10.17 18:42:00 - [59] Originally by: probablecause Originally by: airdefense You could be th e Mascot.. Can you do any tricks? I'm skilled at putting an interdictor bubble in the wrong place. I'm also pretty good at losing my Thanatos, I'm on the third one now. I can't pull a rabbit out of my hat, but I'm pretty good at disappearing, as long as I've got a cloak fitted. OK, u got the job... U get 3 weeks paid vacation, all the shuttles u will ever need and free dental =)
Drunken Claptrap Caldari VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.10.17 18:43:00 - [60] GL Terdy and Lethario. I had fun in ESE. GL to Wraith as well. I never had any problem with any of you.

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