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![Anne Temple Anne Temple](https://images.evetech.net/characters/985764548/portrait?size=64)
Anne Temple
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Temple on 17/10/2007 03:43:12
Apex Research (APEX) was created six months ago to capitalize on the invention market and was very successful in doing so, even with little starting capital. As available capital increased the tedious nature of invention began to take its toll and alternate markets were explored. Research showed that construction component manufacture could be very profitable if done properly and the corporation manufacturing lines were put in place. With current available capital APEX is generating nearly 1bn isk per month. Profits are limited by the funds available to the corporation for material acquisition. Currently APEX is capable of fully utilizing 10BN ISK. As production capability expands more capital may be utilized, with no actual upper limit.
In an effort to fully capitalize on its current production resources Apex Research will be offering stock for public sale. These shares will be offered to the public on a first-come, first-serve basis at 10,000.00 ISK each. This results in an IPO of 10BN ISK. The corporation is capable of fully realizing the potential of these funds immediately. A minimum of 50% of these shares must be sold in order for the IPO to be a success with the rest only serving to greater increase profits. For this reason APEX will offer the stock for sale for two weeks, if after this time less than 50% of the stock is sold refunds will be offered to investors and the IPO project closed.
Based on current profits which will scale up with greater available capital APEX will be able to generate a minimum return of 7.5% with 10% ROI within reach. These numbers are based on aggressive re-investment in the corporation and current market prices. With adjustments to specific production types and market activity as well as limitations in expanding production capability the short-term ROI may increase above 10%. APEX will limit dividend payments at 12.5% of IPO price until 10,000.00 ISK in dividends has been paid per share, at this point the option of buyback or continued expansion will be investigated.
A limited buyback policy will be in effect at all times, APEX will buy up to 25% of issued shares (250,000) per month at 90% of their IPO price (9,000.00 ISK.) Listing on public stock markets will be pursued as well.
Please visit this thread to place stock orders. With questions, comments or concerns please post here, visit our in-game channel 'APEX Research' or eve-mail me and I will do my best to answer them.
Edit to add link to sale thread.
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![Dr Slurm Dr Slurm](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1982337233/portrait?size=64)
Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:57:00 -
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First off: Who are you and why should you be trusted?
Do you have any form of security for this investment?
Do you have any plan if you are somehow incapacitated and unable to play EVE?
Next:
Originally by: Anne Temple APEX will limit dividend payments at 12.5% of IPO price until 10,000.00 ISK in dividends has been paid per share, at this point the option of buyback or continued expansion will be investigated.
Does this mean you only plan to payback the initial investment? What is the incentive for the investor here? If you do expand won't that devalue the stock of current shareholders? What kind of actual profit can an investor expect from this? <sig>
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![Anne Temple Anne Temple](https://images.evetech.net/characters/985764548/portrait?size=64)
Anne Temple
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:13:00 -
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I realize I have little if any reputation and so I have nothing to offer you in the way of reassurance this is not a scam. This is the primary reason I have offered so many shares, you may take as little risk as you wish.
I am more than willing to allow auditor alts into the corporation and give them view access to all corporate assets. My only request is that it needs to either be a respected member of the investment community and/or a shareholder who has invested at least 100m ISK. If you are interested in doing this please convo/evemail me and we can discuss the details.
There is nothing currently in place to liquidate assets if I drop dead tomorrow but I am willing to speak with shareholders about forming a board of directors and/or allowing a respected name access to IPO funds for the purpose of liquidation should I cease to exist.
To answer your final question, when the full IPO amount has been paid back shareholders will be given a chance to vote on several options. To either continue as we have, sell back any number of shares (instead of the normal 25% limit) or increasing/decreasing the rate of reinvestment. If more shares are created in the future it will only be after a shareholder vote and would only be if that additional capital would actually increase profits. I honestly do not expect to offer additional shares simply because the corporation can only expand at a certain rate and the profit from this IPO will be enough to maximize that growth.
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![Shar Tegral Shar Tegral](https://images.evetech.net/characters/144732859/portrait?size=64)
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:17:00 -
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Upon initial review:
Anne Temple Created: 25-Mar-2007, 22:55 Joined Apex: 26-Mar-2007, 03:17 Standings with Jarck Feritte 10.00
Dimitri Garbe CEO & Founder, APEX Created: 26-Mar-2007, 01:37 Joined Apex: 26-Mar-2007, 01:56 Standings with Jarck Feritte 10.00
Apex Research [APEX] Created: 26-Mar-2007, 01:56 Members: 6 Standings:
Mordu's Legion Command: 8.32 Caldari State: 7.27 More but not worth going into
Impression: This is an alt research corporation. You paid someone to provide you with standings so you could plant a POS. Anne and Dimitri have zero standings so as to not screw up the deal but the standings "winner" may still be part of the corp.
Problem: With such obvious alts in play there is no person to do any security back checks on. There is no main stepping forward to say, "Hey, I'm trustworthy." Thus there has been no reason given, so far, to invest in this project.
Conclusion: This is not a proposal that meets the current market standards. Your post would only meet the "describe your ipo" portion. There is very little in clarity or content but is heavy on "buzz words" and "marketing phrases" (good for a sales pitch - crap for a proposal). I will not call this one anything other than lacking at this time.
Rating: Weak (Do not invest)
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:18:00 -
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I suspect to make any progress you're going to need to demonstrate that you actually have an existing component manufacturing business going on.
A quick look at your contracts history reveals that your character DID sell T2 BPCs around the time you claim you were doing invention - which is a good start. It also shows you buying a corpum a-type EANM for 585 million, then the same minute selling it to a buy order for 660k - which must have hurt. That does, of course, show that you had 600 million+ at that time.
The volume of T2 BPCs sold is way too low for an invention business - suggesting you must have a bunch of alts or other people in the corporation working with you. Some more disclosure of who's involved in the corporation - and what access they'll have - could help your chances a bit.
You also (as noted in the previous post) could do with clarifying how the payout to share-holders is going to be determined. Is the plan to pay a certain % of profits as dividends and reinvest the rest? What cut is being taken as salary for yourself and others involved in your company?
The area you're going into (T2 component construction) DOES have the potential to give decent profits - I've done a little bit of it myself. I'd be happy to put an alt into your corporation and vouch for the fact that you actually have a healthy number of production runs going - it wouldn't take long to do that.
You also need to sort out what shares are being retained by your corporation to represent current assets you have - and that may need some sort of independent audit to establish you have at least roughly what you claim. If you're not retaining shares for yoru current assets then I suggest you restructure your IPO as a bond offering - otherwise calculating share value based on assets will be nigh-on impossible.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:22:00 -
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Having read Shadarle's post I tend to agree - OP is an alt. That pretty much flashes a big red NO up to potential investors until such time as the main steps forward.
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![Shar Tegral Shar Tegral](https://images.evetech.net/characters/144732859/portrait?size=64)
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: FastLearner Having read Shadarle's Shar's post I tend to agree - OP is an alt.
Corrected
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: FastLearner Having read Shadarle's Shar's post I tend to agree - OP is an alt.
Corrected
It's quite wise to just always agree with my post, even if I didn't yet post, because if/when I do you will be safe in knowing you agreed already ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Having said that, I would have posted the exact same thing Shar did if I had posted before him. Word for word. Thus you really did agree with me as well. ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif)
Seriously, until a "main" steps forward this is a no go for me as well. But if that "main" is also a nobody then it's going to be tricky.
You definitely need to explain how you will pay divs a bit better.
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![Anne Temple Anne Temple](https://images.evetech.net/characters/985764548/portrait?size=64)
Anne Temple
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:44:00 -
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First, to clarify what I thought was already clear I am an alt and this is an alt corporation. I do not intend to reveal my main character simply because that is not relevant to this venture. I am however, willing to do a number of other things to establish some level of trust.
As stated before I am more than willing to allow access to this corporation for auditing purposes. As a result of my admittedly lacking reputation I am also willing to allow someone into the corporation in order to have access to all assets and ensure security. I do not have something like this in place currently but I am not opposed to doing so. Should a respected member of the community or a major share holder wish to do so I will even hand over CEO of the corporation but I would need some reassurance of my own that I will not lose what I have invested personally in this corp.
I will also fully disclose the names of all corporation members, they are all production characters and identical to anne and dimitri so you will not obtain any additional information but I will offer the info anyway.
None of the replies so far have been untrue and the quality of investigation is impressive. I had forgotten about the EANM deal, thanks for reminding me .
Dividend payout will be based on profit per month, with a cap at 12.5% of IPO price. This could be increased at a later date but with GTC costs and reinvestment in the corporation it is not likely this would happen any time soon. Currently there are 2 accounts in use in the corporation which are paid for with GTC. I will divide the cost of that into 1 month blocks and deduct that from profits. After doing the same thing for fuel costs , office rents and skill purchases for more production characters I will take the remaining funds and divide them in half, paying half to shareholders and keeping half for myself.
Currently I am training two more production alts (I have 4 functional now) when one account is fully functional I will add a third account and continue the process of training alts until that account is full as well. It is my goal to have at least two accounts training new characters at all times. This will continue until I reach "critical mass" which is when I simply have so many jobs running I can't handle it. This would be a very high number of jobs and not a point I am likely to reach soon. Each account is more than self-sufficient and so extra gtc costs will not decrease profits because the added characters will offset the extra costs.
I hope that answers the questions, if I missed something let me know and I will do my best to answer.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Temple First, to clarify what I thought was already clear I am an alt and this is an alt corporation. I do not intend to reveal my main character simply because that is not relevant to this venture. I am however, willing to do a number of other things to establish some level of trust.
Unfortunately it is very relevant to releasing an IPO, mostly because you have no one to vouch for you and no security measures in place to make you do not run off with everything.
In past IPOs' mains have been revealed to trusted members of the investment community with the knowledge they would be outed if the IPO turned out to be a scam. <sig>
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![Anne Temple Anne Temple](https://images.evetech.net/characters/985764548/portrait?size=64)
Anne Temple
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm
Originally by: Anne Temple First, to clarify what I thought was already clear I am an alt and this is an alt corporation. I do not intend to reveal my main character simply because that is not relevant to this venture. I am however, willing to do a number of other things to establish some level of trust.
Unfortunately it is very relevant to releasing an IPO, mostly because you have no one to vouch for you and no security measures in place to make you do not run off with everything.
In past IPOs' mains have been revealed to trusted members of the investment community with the knowledge they would be outed if the IPO turned out to be a scam.
I highly doubt that my main's reputation is sufficient to establish trust in this deal, if it is that important to investors I will provide the information to a trusted member of the community. I do not feel this will be anywhere near as beneficial as allowing access to corporate assets to a trusted member of the community in addition to allowing shareholders to audit corporate assets.
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![Shadarle Shadarle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/694207010/portrait?size=64)
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Temple I do not intend to reveal my main character simply because that is not relevant to this venture.
Sorry, this is a deal breaker for me and will be for others I am sure.
Originally by: Anne Temple
Dividend payout will be based on profit per month, with a cap at 12.5% of IPO price. This could be increased at a later date but with GTC costs and reinvestment in the corporation it is not likely this would happen any time soon. Currently there are 2 accounts in use in the corporation which are paid for with GTC. I will divide the cost of that into 1 month blocks and deduct that from profits. After doing the same thing for fuel costs , office rents and skill purchases for more production characters I will take the remaining funds and divide them in half, paying half to shareholders and keeping half for myself.
Ok, these two bold sections just wouldn't be acceptable to me. 50% is quite a large cut to take in the first place, you'd have to be paying out very nice divs to get away with this. To make matters worse the divs will be cut even further because we'll be paying for you to maintain multiple alts.
Perhaps this is not such a large problem, assuming you are indeed guaranteeing 7.5% divs no matter what. Honestly though I could see your profits being closer to 10% and this would mean payments of less than 5%. But you've not specified your projections or research fields at all so it's hard to know if you'd be able to make more or not.
Suggestions: 1. Get over yourself and post your main or expect most people to call this a scam.
2. Detail your expected 1,3,6,12 month div payments.
3. Tell us in generalities what you will be researching. Considering your complete lack of reputation we have no reason to believe you will know what to research and a general idea of your plan would be useful in making a decision on investment.
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Anne Temple
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Temple on 17/10/2007 05:10:41
As I said, I will reveal my main to a trusted third party if that is necessary. I already explained this in a previous post so I won't take more space here for it.
Apex will only pay for the characters being used directly by the corp, any other account of mine will be paid from my cut of the profits.
Based on my sales over the last couple months of doing this I am confident in 10% returns for investors. The 1,3,6 and 12 month dividends would all be 1,000 - 1,250 isk.
I have the capability to produce any tech 2 component so there is no specific field of research. I base my production on market price of the components and how fast I am able to move them. Currently my production is focused mainly on several Gallente and Amarr components which are in high demand. That could switch literally instantly to any other component if needed.
edited for math.
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![Shar Tegral Shar Tegral](https://images.evetech.net/characters/144732859/portrait?size=64)
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Temple As stated before I am more than willing to allow access to this corporation for auditing purposes. As a result of my admittedly lacking reputation I am also willing to allow someone into the corporation in order to have access to all assets and ensure security. I do not have something like this in place currently but I am not opposed to doing so. Should a respected member of the community or a major share holder wish to do so I will even hand over CEO of the corporation but I would need some reassurance of my own that I will not lose what I have invested personally in this corp.
To be honest, I'm impressed at what you are willing to do. It does go along way to providing security but there are still complications that can come along. However if you can find someone who is willing to take that step, then I'm sure you may find people a bit more open to your proposal. Might I add, you probably jumped into the deep water way too soon and too fast. If I were you I'd cancel my "for sale" thread, edit the title of this one to "APEX IPO Idea Discussions", and absorb every iota of advice (even hostile) that comes your way. You are new, which is no crime. But you still need to learn some of the basics that inspire confidence from the community at large. Mind you, I always say you can buck the system (I do) but if you don't have the reputation to go along with your maverick attempt... it'll likely end badly.
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![Anne Temple Anne Temple](https://images.evetech.net/characters/985764548/portrait?size=64)
Anne Temple
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Anne Temple As stated before I am more than willing to allow access to this corporation for auditing purposes. As a result of my admittedly lacking reputation I am also willing to allow someone into the corporation in order to have access to all assets and ensure security. I do not have something like this in place currently but I am not opposed to doing so. Should a respected member of the community or a major share holder wish to do so I will even hand over CEO of the corporation but I would need some reassurance of my own that I will not lose what I have invested personally in this corp.
To be honest, I'm impressed at what you are willing to do. It does go along way to providing security but there are still complications that can come along. However if you can find someone who is willing to take that step, then I'm sure you may find people a bit more open to your proposal. Might I add, you probably jumped into the deep water way too soon and too fast. If I were you I'd cancel my "for sale" thread, edit the title of this one to "APEX IPO Idea Discussions", and absorb every iota of advice (even hostile) that comes your way. You are new, which is no crime. But you still need to learn some of the basics that inspire confidence from the community at large. Mind you, I always say you can buck the system (I do) but if you don't have the reputation to go along with your maverick attempt... it'll likely end badly.
I appreciate the advice, I have no problem taking constructive criticism and there are already many good ideas posted here. I will leave the sales thread open, just because as I said the shares will remain on sale for two weeks and if I don't get the minimum investment I'll refund the ISK. If that happens I will not rule out a future IPO.
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![Dr Slurm Dr Slurm](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1982337233/portrait?size=64)
Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Temple
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Anne Temple As stated before I am more than willing to allow access to this corporation for auditing purposes. As a result of my admittedly lacking reputation I am also willing to allow someone into the corporation in order to have access to all assets and ensure security. I do not have something like this in place currently but I am not opposed to doing so. Should a respected member of the community or a major share holder wish to do so I will even hand over CEO of the corporation but I would need some reassurance of my own that I will not lose what I have invested personally in this corp.
To be honest, I'm impressed at what you are willing to do. It does go along way to providing security but there are still complications that can come along. However if you can find someone who is willing to take that step, then I'm sure you may find people a bit more open to your proposal. Might I add, you probably jumped into the deep water way too soon and too fast. If I were you I'd cancel my "for sale" thread, edit the title of this one to "APEX IPO Idea Discussions", and absorb every iota of advice (even hostile) that comes your way. You are new, which is no crime. But you still need to learn some of the basics that inspire confidence from the community at large. Mind you, I always say you can buck the system (I do) but if you don't have the reputation to go along with your maverick attempt... it'll likely end badly.
I appreciate the advice, I have no problem taking constructive criticism and there are already many good ideas posted here. I will leave the sales thread open, just because as I said the shares will remain on sale for two weeks and if I don't get the minimum investment I'll refund the ISK. If that happens I will not rule out a future IPO.
Yes but if you end up changing your IPO agreement that isn't exactly fair to the people who (might) have already invested.
So until you know your IPO isn't going to change you really shouldn't be accepting payment for shares. Its not like putting this off a week is going to hurt any, hell it might help. <sig>
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![Shar Tegral Shar Tegral](https://images.evetech.net/characters/144732859/portrait?size=64)
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Temple I will leave the sales thread open, just because as I said the shares will remain on sale for two weeks and if I don't get the minimum investment I'll refund the ISK.
{shrugs} Some people are slow learners. Eve takes all kinds, as is apparent. Let me spell it out for you in more clear terms: No one will trust you, period.You will not get your hoped for amount at the end of six (6) months let alone two (2) weeks.No one believes that any isk sent to you will be returned as you've given them zero reasons to think so other than your altastic word.Now, you've been operating Apex for at least six (6) months. You created the corporation, hired someone to give you standings, and dived right into research. I tend to charge 100M per week (depending on mood) to make corporations High Sec POS capable. Then the isks for the tower and structures... then your contract history shows a fair amount of isk passing around. This is not the actions or positons of someone "new" to Eve. So that's out of the window at this point. So... feel free to do things your way. I'm not threatening you at all, I'm just warning you about the realpolitik in front of you. Good luck to you.
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mechtech
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:22:00 -
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When opening an IPO, a high level of transparency is required. Anything people don't know will make them suspicious of a scam.
This paranoia is well founded, there is an extremely high creation rate for scam IPOs.
If you want people to invest, include the main in the OP, or nobody will consider investing.
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Bringing Sexyback
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:37:00 -
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Remember also that in this forum you are talking to people that may be in direct competition with you. Your IPO does lack some details and i could personally care less who your main is as long as you are willing to allow auditors and keep shareholders updated as to your activities. (Provided your not General Starscream) ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif) I understand there is alot of risk in this game and there are scammers out them, however the way some people scrutinize its amazing that any IPO's ever get off the ground. That being said, a 10B IPO to a toon that has no history is a lot to ask of the community. Perhaps a smaller initial IPO would be in order to gain trust in the community. I would be willing to throw a little money at it provided a few more details are released about what you are actually going to produce. Not specifics but in a "fluid" production environment i would like to know that they are items that will be profitable. Keep posting here, maybe have someone that is trusted in the community look over a more detailed business plan. If you get a regular on this forum behind you, then you will have no problems selling your IPO. If nothing else you have a great start, i look forward to hearing more about your venture.
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![tai shang tai shang](https://images.evetech.net/characters/662200194/portrait?size=64)
tai shang
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:14:00 -
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Anne Temple > hi
tai shang > hello
tai shang > I am a major investor in several IPO's, and I noticed your thread in the forums. Anne Temple > cool
tai shang > frankly, I do not have the isk right now to invest in your stock, but that is not why I contacted you. Actaully, it IS part of the reason I contacted you.
Anne Temple > ok
tai shang > Because I hold NONE of the shares, I would make an excellent auditor, completely neutral. tai shang > I stand nothing to gain either way.
Anne Temple > very true
tai shang > you said in the forums you wanted someone who had invested at least 100m.
Anne Temple > do you have a character that is known and trusted well enough to actually be respected as an auditor?
tai shang > I have invested just over 5 billion isk so far.
Anne Temple > cool
tai shang > To answer your question:
tai shang > I am not exactly well known. I generally keep quite about my investments. However, I do speak to several well trusted names, like Lavista Vista and Ionia. I've alse recieved investment advice from Ricdic.
Anne Temple > alright, cool
Anne Temple > i think im gonna have to restructure the ipo a bit brfore its gonna work but i do appreciate the offer
Anne Temple > i will add you to my address book and contact you when i need an auditor
tai shang > Where would I need to locate myself to be in your corporation, and, hypothetically, what would I be Auditing?
tai shang > Good to hear.
Anne Temple > jita basically
tai shang > eeewww.
tai shang > laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
Anne Temple > and all you really need to do is verify how much the assets in teh corp are worth
tai shang > ok.
Anne Temple > its not in jita, its just 1 jump out
tai shang > I can handle that
tai shang > :)
Anne Temple > and that i ama ctually producing things
Anne Temple > which is also not hard
tai shang > thats actually very convienient for me because I base myself in Ashokon, wich isn't far from Jita.
Anne Temple > cool
tai shang > Well, contact me if you need me. I am available.
Anne Temple > much of what needs done can be done from inside a station with the proper roles
Anne Temple > awesome, thanks
tai shang > In the mean time, Im gonna read more of your thread, see what everyone says.
Anne Temple > yeah
Anne Temple > lots of good suggestions in there
tai shang > If you dont mind, I would like to repeat my offer to you in the thread. That may keep potential investors interested, if they know that something is being done.
Well, that about sums up my convo with Anne. Ive made my offer, and Anne will consider it. What about the public? Anyone got a reason NOT to trust me as an auditor? There won't be much point in it if the investors don't trust me. And if they don't think that I am trustworthy, then I won't do it, and someone else better can take the job.
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![Dr Slurm Dr Slurm](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1982337233/portrait?size=64)
Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:17:00 -
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Did you bother to ask LaVista Vista, Ionia or Ricdic their permission before you decided to go name dropping? <sig>
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tai shang
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:23:00 -
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I dont see why it matters. I only speak to them because I have invested in their corporations. and in others as well. some good investments, some bad. the fact that I speak to them on eve chat is significant only because THEY are significant. So? I speak with them. big deal. there's nothing incriminating about that.
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![Dr Slurm Dr Slurm](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1982337233/portrait?size=64)
Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: tai shang I dont see why it matters. I only speak to them because I have invested in their corporations. and in others as well. some good investments, some bad. the fact that I speak to them on eve chat is significant only because THEY are significant. So? I speak with them. big deal. there's nothing incriminating about that.
Name dropping is still name dropping and if you aren't on close terms with someone it is considered very rude. <sig>
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:09:00 -
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hmmm... I have to say, your unwillingness to reveal your main is a serious concern.
I will almost certainly never have heard of the character but the fact that you are so against revealing it publicly makes me think that you have somthing to hide. The only reasons I can think of that someone wouldn't want to reveal thier main would be:
1) They are a known scammer/pirate.
2) They wish to avoid linking that character to this venture. This gives an easy chance to scam and get away totaly free or at the very least, a tempting excape route if things go badly.
3) The main is an important figure in the Eve political landscape and does not wish political enemies to target thier operation.
You can see why this would cause a problem... The only real valid reason is 3 and if that is the case then you should have access to enough cash to finance this yourself anyway.
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SitAtJita
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.17 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo
1) They are a known scammer/pirate.
(...)
3) The main is an important figure in the Eve political landscape and does not wish political enemies to target thier operation.
3bis) The main belongs to BoB and doesn't want to get trolled out of the forum by goons
3tris) The main belongs/has belonged to Goonswarm/Goonfleet. See point 1
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:44:00 -
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I'd be happy to invest 100-200m if you were willing to reveal your main to a trusted third party - Ricdic/Shar/Shadarle etc, or handed over assets to them worth a decent fraction of what you're asking for from investors.
At the moment, all you're risking is the reputation of an alt. I'd rather have a bit more than that as collateral. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
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Rhiraven
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.17 13:14:00 -
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Quote: 1) They are a known scammer/pirate.
Being a pirate and being a con artist are two very different things. I am personally very interested in Eve piracy, ore thievery, and wardec extortion, and would not consider running a scamming operation.
There is a very thick line between presenting up-front force to directly and honestly procure wealth and conning someone out of an investment by lying through your teeth, and I'd appreciate you make more of a distinction.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rhiraven
Quote: 1) They are a known scammer/pirate.
Being a pirate and being a con artist are two very different things. I am personally very interested in Eve piracy, ore thievery, and wardec extortion, and would not consider running a scamming operation.
There is a very thick line between presenting up-front force to directly and honestly procure wealth and conning someone out of an investment by lying through your teeth, and I'd appreciate you make more of a distinction.
hehe, indeed. What I meant was that someone who was a known pirate and/or has a very low negative sec status will not exactly be seen as trustworthy, in the same way that a known scammer will not be seen as trustworthy.
Scamming and pirating in Eve are, of course very different things. I have to chuckle at the "Honestly procure wealth" bit though! ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
I would not consider someone who robs a bank to have aquired that money honestly despite the fact that it was hard to accomplish.
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