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Sharon Asane
Trittybar Inc.
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:19:00 -
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It seems like faction module prices in Jita have suddenly crashed. CN Ballistic Controls went from 165 to 100, IN Heat Sinks went from 100 to 55 and RF gyros went from around 130 to 70.
I expect this is related to incursions somehow. Either all the bears have the pimp they want, and stopped buying modules, or they ran out of money because of people ending incursions quickly recently. Either way I didn't expect it to be this sudden. Does anyone know what is going on here? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
54
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:28:00 -
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Crashing compared to when, a year ago? The "new" prices you stated are where they've been for quite some time. Stop posting disingenous crap. |
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
159
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:40:00 -
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Sharon Asane wrote:It seems like faction module prices in Jita have suddenly crashed. CN Ballistic Controls went from 165 to 100, IN Heat Sinks went from 100 to 55 and RF gyros went from around 130 to 70.
I expect this is related to incursions somehow. Either all the bears have the pimp they want, and stopped buying modules, or they ran out of money because of people ending incursions quickly recently. Either way I didn't expect it to be this sudden. Does anyone know what is going on here?
Stop this right now.
CN Ballistics have NOT gone down from 165 to 100; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first.
Imp Navy heat sinks have NOT gone down from 100 to 55; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first.
RF gyros have NOT gone down from 130 to 70; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. |
Jimmy Speed
Unlimited Speeds
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:40:00 -
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And yet when I look up the contract history of the corp goonfleet investments I see hundreds of overpriced mods selling at the prices in the op. Strange that you would deny it. |
Sharon Asane
Trittybar Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:43:00 -
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Tekota wrote:Sharon Asane wrote:It seems like faction module prices in Jita have suddenly crashed. CN Ballistic Controls went from 165 to 100, IN Heat Sinks went from 100 to 55 and RF gyros went from around 130 to 70.
I expect this is related to incursions somehow. Either all the bears have the pimp they want, and stopped buying modules, or they ran out of money because of people ending incursions quickly recently. Either way I didn't expect it to be this sudden. Does anyone know what is going on here? Stop this right now. CN Ballistics have NOT gone down from 165 to 100; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. Imp Navy heat sinks have NOT gone down from 100 to 55; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. RF gyros have NOT gone down from 130 to 70; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first.
:O So I've basicly been a huge ****** all this time huh. The weird thing is that I haven't actually changed anything. |
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
159
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:46:00 -
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Sharon Asane wrote:
:O So I've basicly been a huge ****** all this time huh. The weird thing is that I haven't actually changed anything.
Then you've not been paying attention. Or you are a huge ***** - hey, you called it.
My (public) contract history is full of CN ballistics at 100m +- 10m for the last three months. Those prices were set because they were the going prices, not because I was on some noble crusade to supply the denizens of Jita with vastly underpriced mods. |
Jimmy Speed
Unlimited Speeds
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:49:00 -
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Tekota wrote:Sharon Asane wrote:
:O So I've basicly been a huge ****** all this time huh. The weird thing is that I haven't actually changed anything.
Then you've not been paying attention. Or you are a huge ***** - hey, you called it. My (public) contract history is full of CN ballistics at 100m +- 10m for the last three months. Those prices were set because they were the going prices, not because I was on some noble crusade to supply the denizens of Jita with vastly underpriced mods.
But if you knew they were selling for 165 and you had loads of cn bcs and you knew about it then surely you were on some noble crusade to supply the denizens of Jita with vastly underpriced mods. :S |
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
159
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:59:00 -
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Jimmy Speed wrote:
But if you knew they were selling for 165 and you had loads of cn bcs and you knew about it then surely you were on some noble crusade to supply the denizens of Jita with vastly underpriced mods. :S
Alt of OP?
Whilst I am pretty damn awesome, even one as phenomenal as I is unlikely to have the cash flow and resources as the entire goonswarm alliance - therefore I price my goods around the low sell price current on contracts because, unlike goonswarm, I generally want need all my contracts to sell at an advertised price point within the two week period.
Sure it's possible to sell via contracts at above going rates, taking advantage of those (like the OP) who forget to change the default page sorting. But by and large, if you want to sell your goods within a fortnight, you set the going rate and you're good.
Those who follow the (now defunct) Faction Trade mailing list, and those who follow contract prices know that the going price of faction mods has been stable (with a gradual upswing) for *months* now. This attempt to suggest otherwise is either the mark of ignorance, stupidity, or poor manipulation attempt - which are you? |
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:08:00 -
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Sharon Asane wrote:It seems like faction module prices in Jita have suddenly crashed. CN Ballistic Controls went from 165 to 100, IN Heat Sinks went from 100 to 55 and RF gyros went from around 130 to 70.
I expect this is related to incursions somehow. Either all the bears have the pimp they want, and stopped buying modules, or they ran out of money because of people ending incursions quickly recently. Either way I didn't expect it to be this sudden. Does anyone know what is going on here?
All the incursions got closed out by some greifers this weekend. People logged on, saw nothing to do, and logged off. The net result was a market glut. |
stoicfaux
682
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:14:00 -
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Tekota wrote:
Stop this right now.
CN Ballistics have NOT gone down from 165 to 100; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first.
Imp Navy heat sinks have NOT gone down from 100 to 55; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first.
RF gyros have NOT gone down from 130 to 70; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first.
This. ^^
The default_sort_order+contract_spam trick/scam was exposed in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54266
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
285
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:31:00 -
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Hmm, maybe the patch changed the default? CCP guy was mentioning in other thread that the sort-by-price would be more logical.
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Transport Sheep
Hamsters ate my Waffles
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:44:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Hmm, maybe the patch changed the default? CCP guy was mentioning in other thread that the sort-by-price would be more logical.
Seems to me this is the case. Yay for CCP if this really is so. |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
In Vitro.
277
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:52:00 -
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Tekota wrote:Sharon Asane wrote:It seems like faction module prices in Jita have suddenly crashed. CN Ballistic Controls went from 165 to 100, IN Heat Sinks went from 100 to 55 and RF gyros went from around 130 to 70.
I expect this is related to incursions somehow. Either all the bears have the pimp they want, and stopped buying modules, or they ran out of money because of people ending incursions quickly recently. Either way I didn't expect it to be this sudden. Does anyone know what is going on here? Stop this right now. CN Ballistics have NOT gone down from 165 to 100; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. Imp Navy heat sinks have NOT gone down from 100 to 55; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. RF gyros have NOT gone down from 130 to 70; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first.
Stealth change as of Crucible 1.1
Default contract sort order is now lowest first. This has already led to the suspension of trade for one of the larger faction resellers.
Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60370
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SeenButNotHeard
Doing The Business
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:43:00 -
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The price crash is purely down to the killing of incursion moms by D3 and his buddies.
There are no hi sec incursions - therefore the mods are now worthless (comparatively).
It is hardly rocket science.
The question should be, how long will their interest last. The answer is quite simply, until people stop running incursions.
Once there is nobody to grief then the attention will move elsewhere - or they will keep harvesting moms.
Either way the market is now gone. Get over it.
What will come next is somebody trying to stop the mom killing - or it won't, in which case D3 and buddies have another monopoly unless someone contests them. That could be the future of BTL etc.
Evolution in Eve - it's a beautiful thing.
Ed: From a market perspective you could speculate that those mods might bounce back once the incursion griefers get bored, in which case buy now - or you could speculate that they may never bounce back in which case you just lost billions. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:56:00 -
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^^^ You're just as dumb as the OP, incursions have nothing to do with this.
Sharon Asane wrote:Tekota wrote:Sharon Asane wrote:It seems like faction module prices in Jita have suddenly crashed. CN Ballistic Controls went from 165 to 100, IN Heat Sinks went from 100 to 55 and RF gyros went from around 130 to 70.
I expect this is related to incursions somehow. Either all the bears have the pimp they want, and stopped buying modules, or they ran out of money because of people ending incursions quickly recently. Either way I didn't expect it to be this sudden. Does anyone know what is going on here? Stop this right now. CN Ballistics have NOT gone down from 165 to 100; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. Imp Navy heat sinks have NOT gone down from 100 to 55; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. RF gyros have NOT gone down from 130 to 70; you've just learnt to sort contract pages by lowest first rather than oldest first. :O So I've basicly been a huge ****** all this time huh. The weird thing is that I haven't actually changed anything.
Hahaha. Immediately after I posted I thought to myself "hmm I wonder if they fixed the idiotic default sorting method on contracts and that's what this guy was seeing."
Jimmy Speed wrote:And yet when I look up the contract history of the corp goonfleet investments I see hundreds of overpriced mods selling at the prices in the op. Strange that you would deny it.
Jas Dor wrote:I'm not surprised that goonswarm investments is selling overpriced mods to people who don't know how to sort contract. No not in the least.
While I'm well aware that I CAN sell modules for well above market price to idiots like the OP and occasionally have, (though clearly not anymore), modules priced this way move far more slowly, as Tekota said. It's much better for me to take a rapid but modest profit on a large volume of items and go back to my suppliers for more than it is to take a larger but much slower profit on a much smaller volume of items by hoping some idiot stumbles along. You'd know this if you were able to compare the items in my contract history to the market price at time of their sale.
Yeah. A fair goon businessman. Shocking, I know. |
Jimmy Speed
Unlimited Speeds
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:09:00 -
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You're such a liar lol.
We can all see the contract history on goonfleet investments. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
54
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:15:00 -
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You can see my outstanding contracts too, how about you take a gander at them and compare prices.
Or you're just trolling.  Alt of goon or just a pubbie trolling for some reason, that's the question... |
Jimmy Speed
Unlimited Speeds
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:22:00 -
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/loluym.png/ |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:25:00 -
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Jimmy Speed wrote:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/loluym.png/
 an imposter!
No, really. While I'm sure you won't believe me, that's not actually me (Goonfleet Investments vs Goonfleet Investment Banking). I do happen to know exactly who it is, though, because he brags about it to me on a regular basis.  |
jm24
CRICE Corp
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:06:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Jimmy Speed wrote:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/loluym.png/ an imposter! No, really. While I'm sure you won't believe me, that's not actually me (Goonfleet Investments vs Goonfleet Investment Banking). I do happen to know exactly who it is, though, because he brags about it to me on a regular basis. You'll note that if you search for contracts that are actually from my corp, they're all priced to the market, or what the market was when they were posted in the event that I got undercut.
It wasn't me dear friend, as we have just discussed in gs_isk. I am deeply saddened by this change in default contract sorting however.
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Zendon Taredi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.25 12:43:00 -
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Sharon Asane wrote:It seems like faction module prices in Jita have suddenly crashed. CN Ballistic Controls went from 165 to 100, IN Heat Sinks went from 100 to 55 and RF gyros went from around 130 to 70.
I expect this is related to incursions somehow. Either all the bears have the pimp they want, and stopped buying modules, or they ran out of money because of people ending incursions quickly recently. Either way I didn't expect it to be this sudden. Does anyone know what is going on here?
cnbcs were never at 165. the sinks were never at 100, gyros were never at 130. sure some people listed a string of contracts at that price and a lot of them(faction mods) ended up having 2 price points, but if you browse correctly, you will find a bunch of contracts at the lower price. same thing with imperial enams, some are listed at 50m and some at 100m. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
290
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:17:00 -
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jm24 wrote:corestwo wrote:Jimmy Speed wrote:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/loluym.png/ an imposter! No, really. While I'm sure you won't believe me, that's not actually me (Goonfleet Investments vs Goonfleet Investment Banking). I do happen to know exactly who it is, though, because he brags about it to me on a regular basis. You'll note that if you search for contracts that are actually from my corp, they're all priced to the market, or what the market was when they were posted in the event that I got undercut. It wasn't me dear friend, as we have just discussed in gs_isk. I am deeply saddened by this change in default contract sorting however.
Goons were milking ISK from stupid players through CCP-fail UI "feature" that now got fixed? Well I would have never thought this to be possible. How shocking and unexpected. Where is your e-honou... oh wait, yeah, Goons.
Nice trick and I'm sure enough clueless players fell for it or you wouldn't have done it. As much as it pains me to admit it, in the sense of "it is morally wrong to allow stupid people to keep their ISK" I approve this product/service. 
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
55
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:39:00 -
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More than just goons. Here's the Faction Wholesale mailing list post from yesterday.
Quote:Greetings,
In this most recent patch there has been a huge change in the way the contract interface works which has been slipped in without appearing in the notes. This has made my current business structure unsustainable. Therefore I am forced to temporarily place all buying on hold. I apologise for the inconvenience, this was an unforseeable and unmentioned change in the way contracts works.
Should I be able to resume buying I will let you know.
Sorry
Translation: "CCP just broke my business model" 
Good thing my sales are legit. :p |
DeliaPrescot
Balintol
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Posted - 2012.01.25 14:04:00 -
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Actually most of you have no clue whatsorever. The "manipulating" on factions mods were going since like a year when -West and Grey- started it big time and others followed. He ( yes West and Grey and associated corps were only 1 guy) earned about 1trillion ISK and recently passed it on to some guys who are now more or less fracked and sitting literally on thousands of factions mods which aren't selling anymore. I guess at the end they will come out even on it but it will be a pain to sell all those mods now.
I know that several other guys who jumped on that wagon a year ago earned so much ISK most of you can't even dream about.
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X ATM092
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
10
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Posted - 2012.01.25 14:20:00 -
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DeliaPrescot wrote:Actually most of you have no clue whatsorever. The "manipulating" on factions mods were going since like a year when -West and Grey- started it big time and others followed. He ( yes West and Grey and associated corps were only 1 guy) earned about 1trillion ISK and recently passed it on to some guys who are now more or less fracked and sitting literally on thousands of factions mods which aren't selling anymore. I guess at the end they will come out even on it but it will be a pain to sell all those mods now.
I know that several other guys who jumped on that wagon a year ago earned so much ISK most of you can't even dream about.
I would hardly say fracked. My wallet is looking pretty nice. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
292
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Posted - 2012.01.25 15:09:00 -
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Hilarious... I had no idea because I was "advanced" enough to know how to properly sort the contracts by the cheapest, so all those overpriced ones never showed up. In retrospect the whole "trick" is so simple and so obvious that I'm sad I missed the gravy train on this one... 
I guess I should never underestimate the stupidity of average EVE player and all that...
So I guess some people have a huge stock of faction mods to offload now... cue actual price crash in 3..2..1...?
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Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.01.25 16:01:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Hilarious... I had no idea because I was "advanced" enough to know how to properly sort the contracts by the cheapest, so all those overpriced ones never showed up. In retrospect the whole "trick" is so simple and so obvious that I'm sad I missed the gravy train on this one... I guess I should never underestimate the stupidity of average EVE player and all that... So I guess some people have a huge stock of faction mods to offload now... cue actual price crash in 3..2..1...?
Not in a hurry to sell. All is fine.
By people you overestimate the people involved in this. It was merely 3 people actively doing it with stockpiles and **** and a few more who just leeched from it with a few contracts day. |
tofucake prime
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
42
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:18:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:DeliaPrescot wrote:Actually most of you have no clue whatsorever. The "manipulating" on factions mods were going since like a year when -West and Grey- started it big time and others followed. He ( yes West and Grey and associated corps were only 1 guy) earned about 1trillion ISK and recently passed it on to some guys who are now more or less fracked and sitting literally on thousands of factions mods which aren't selling anymore. I guess at the end they will come out even on it but it will be a pain to sell all those mods now.
I know that several other guys who jumped on that wagon a year ago earned so much ISK most of you can't even dream about.
I would hardly say fracked. My wallet is looking pretty nice.
Please you've already blown all your money on pointless things on principal |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
56
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:41:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
So I guess some people have a huge stock of faction mods to offload now... cue actual price crash in 3..2..1...?
I expect a crash, though it would be due to people who we selling to X ATM092 there having to sell their own stuff and warring prices down. On the other hand, he expects a spike, as people who were previously buying from him out of ignorance were not affecting the low end of the price now will be...and to hear him tell it the volume was impressive. There's also the effort factor of dealing with contracts...my business thrives because people hate dealing with the system; this would help his theory.
I haven't looked at it enough to really be able to decide one way or the other, but I don't have money to bet as it is right now...so Istead, I share the thoughts on both sides and watch the sparks fly.  |
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:54:00 -
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Will be interesting. I suppose actual consumption remains unchanged, it's just as you say more independent sellers than before. Whilst I haven't flogged to X ATM I did used to lob a good amount to Kobian when his prices were within a couple mil or so of the low point.
Now, Kobian stopped a month or so back and, as far as I've seen, the result hasn't really been a drop in prices. Sure we had X ATM taking up the reins (correct me here if wrong, X ATM = Faction Wholesale yep?) but, and with the greatest of respect, I never got the impression he has/had the capacity that Kobian had, so I'm guessing he didn't take as many from bulk resellers.
I'm not sure it'll make a huge difference. The bulk resellers naturally had / have the dissa-prin that a large number of small independent sellers might not have (resulting in price wars) but with the loss of one big reseller a month or so back not appearing to have a significant effect on prices I think things will stay stable-ish. Meh, if not, move onto something else until it's better again.
Anyway, side note, I owe the OP and her most vociferous supporter an apology. I was quite grumpy and aggressive in yesterday's responses, assuming their motives to be some weak manipulation attempt. I wasn't aware that default ordering had changed and as such it's apparent that the OP's conclusion that prices have plummeted from 165 to 100m to be a result of.... well.... ignorance. Now, being grumpy and aggressive toward poor manipulation attempts is one thing, but toward the ignorant is neither big nor clever (though occasionally funny). So for yesterday's grumpiness I apologise. |
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