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BraK
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Posted - 2004.02.24 14:30:00 -
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Ok, so you have a Corp. with 15 battleships camping a gate. After a while they get bored and annoyed at all the ôinsta jumpersö, pilots in frigates blowing there blokade, and alliances warping in and ganking/chasing there butts out of the system. So what do they do? They all log off except 1 player. This one player (Scout) moves about 70km from where they where camping and watches the gate. All the while his fellow Corp. mates are sitting on Teamspeak doing something other then being logged into Eve. As soon as an alliance warps in or some unsuspecting person warps in the ôScoutö tells his Corp mates and they all log in at the same time and gank the player/players.
Would you call this an exploit? Lame tatic? Griefer tatic? Just curious to know what you all think?
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Ishiko
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Posted - 2004.02.24 14:33:00 -
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don't know if i would call it an exploit. Definitly would call it lame
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.02.24 14:57:00 -
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It is an exploit because it is taking advantage of an out-of-game mechanic. Just as players in Shattered Galaxy hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, pausing the game (under 98) so that their computers never reported dead units and their units could stay alive for 10-20 seconds longer than they were supposed to.
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LargeNuts
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Posted - 2004.02.24 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: LargeNuts on 24/02/2004 15:11:45
I made a post about this that has many responses. Check it out.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.02.24 15:21:00 -
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It is not an exploit. The use of TS does not qualify as using a 3rd party application in eve.
The use of TS is akin to a lan party. Or in my case, when my brothers (I'm the oldest of a sixpack) come over there is enough computers here for us all to sit down. So what is the difference between a couple of people being within talking distance of each other and ... well ... being in talking distance of each other.
Now is this a lame tactic. Of course it is. And quite often any lame tactic is used by griefers. Does that mean everyone who uses them is a "griefer". Heck no... Check out the "spirit of the game" thread. Much better discussion about it.
However, right now, I will say that if you are in a war you must either find ways to defeat your enemies tactics or co-opt them outright.
While history eventual exonerates those who lose from fighting the good fight.... that is truly small comfort for those who fought it.
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2004.02.24 15:33:00 -
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Think of it as a Cloaking device, until we finally get them, this is the cloak and dagger technique...
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Starshaker
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Posted - 2004.02.24 15:40:00 -
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Whether this is an exploit or griefing only CCP can make the final decision. My money is on CCP coming up with a way to make this unusable because it runs counter to how the game is supposed to be played. It's cloaking without cloaking being in the game and without cloaking devices being used.
Unfortunately when something is considered an exploit or griefing to the point of making the game undesirable the changes made to fix it are generally unsavory.
So ultimately the people who come up with the tactic or exploit ruin the game for everyone else because the devs are forced to come up with a fix. Not my opinion, rather a historical fact.
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SYCO
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Posted - 2004.02.24 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: SYCO on 24/02/2004 16:24:21
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Think of it as a Cloaking device, until we finally get them, this is the cloak and dagger technique...
mmmm i was gonna say same thing   cloaking it is...btw star they only change it cuz players p!ss n moan about it
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.24 16:30:00 -
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I call it dangerous, the time it takes before my screen loads i can make some coffee, run back and forth, do 20 pushups and eat my nose clean. Other times it logs on fast, but hell do you want to wage a battleship on that?
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Posted - 2004.02.24 16:31:00 -
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It is an exploit because it is taking advantage of an out-of-game mechanic.
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It is not an exploit. The use of TS does not qualify as using a 3rd party application in eve.
Well, how about we stick to CCP's definition of an exploit instead of defining it how we want to.
An exploit, *as far as EVE is concerned*, is ANY tactic which was not intended to be available by the developers. This clearly qualifies.
You're supposed to have to be logged in and playing the game, in order to have available to you the information within it. The "show players in system" map isn't available on this forum, or EVE Insider, or anyplace else; you have to be in the game looking at it. You can't know whether or not there's a potential victim at the place you were last logged in, until after you log back in and go look.
We're back to what's under discussion in the "Spirit of the Game" thread ... should people use any tactic that's physically available, or only those that were supposed to be available. CCP have made pretty clear that they think the latter, but so many people have found so many loopholes to exploit that in practice, the former seems to work; eg. mining to a jettison can, which is not, and never was, an intended use of a jettison can; bookmarking a random point in empty space, when bookmarks were supposed to be of known objects; bookmarking a point in empty space 20km behind where you actually want to be, ditto; and, as here, sitting logged out and waiting to be told when to log in so you can all mass-gank a victim who *knows* that you aren't there, because he can see as much in local chat.
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Lycanth
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Posted - 2004.02.24 16:47:00 -
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*Cough*ZOMBIE CORP*Cough*
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Martika
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Posted - 2004.02.24 16:51:00 -
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You can hardly compare the act of logging in via an informative to cloaking, as de-cloaking has penalties, and logging in does not.
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2004.02.24 17:00:00 -
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You can hardly compare the act of logging in via an informative to cloaking, as de-cloaking has penalties, and logging in does not.
So in other words when cloaking does get released, people will prefer this tactic instaid. 
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