Originally by: CCP Zulupark

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Righto then.

So a lot of people missed the point of this blog. The idea we had is: 'Should Carriers and Motherships be more support role oriented then they are now?' Then we thought, what's a way to do that, and came up with this one.

That's when we decided to just blog the idea, and get some feedback on 2 things:
1. Do you like this idea (that is the more-support-oriented idea)?
2. If so, do you like the approach we're thinking about (fighter deployment limits)?
3. If you liked the idea but no the solution, what propositions do you have?
4. If you don't like the idea at all, why not?

Now to answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread.

Are you an idiot?
No, but thanks for posting constructively

Are you doing this to decrease lag
No, this is purely balancing ideas, nothing to do with lag or server load

Have you even played EVE or taken part in a fleet fight?
Yes

Why shouldn't a mothership be able to defend itself????
For you real-life analogy aficionados: Do you ever see a aircraft carrier travel anywhere without a blob of smaller support ships? Bad analogy, my mistake, move along, nothing to see.
For you others: It can still defend itself, but let's be real, why would you ever get yourself into a situation where the last line of defense between you and an attacking fleet are you fighters?

There won't be any difference between a Carrier and a Mothership!!
If this change nullifies the difference between those two ships, what's the difference today?

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Originally by: CCP Abathur

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Ladies and Gentlemen, please rest assured that the Dev team is paying attention to this thread. Don't take it all out on Zulu; he was just the messenger. As was stated in the original blog this is an idea and we thank you all for your constructive input. Please feel free to continue voicing what your concerns are and we will do our best to address them.

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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About 2-3 Months ago I was flying my carrier and i got caught.

we had a 15 man IAC gang coming through 49-u. (this was shortly after we had lost sedith's aeon) we only had about 7 in gang, 2 command ships a inty or two and something else. we used a claymore as bait figuring he could tank them until i exited warp and got remote reps on him.

Plan fell apart. i intiated warp early but claymore died as i locked him. the other 2 inties died as inties tend to do and it quickly became a chimera and an Eos vs. a 15 man gang. With only shield transfers i couldn't keep the Eos alive forever, he died after we had killed a phoon a rapier and something else because of his webs + my drones.

Now im trapped. 13 hostiles (more incoming from IAC territory) holding me in place a blasted caracal dampening me and no support anywheres close.

I have a good tank and they dont ahve much DPS so im survivng for the minute. i drop 12 t2 light drones (twice) but kill them with my own faction smartbombs. third time i managed to get them out and not kill them and they auto-aggro a cruiser. i wait a minute and figure hes probly tanking them. Recall them try mediums which auto aggro on an interceptor. recall them. I MANAGE TO LOCK a battlecruiser who gets in close. drop 3 web drones and 9 heavies. put my warp disruptor on him. they shoot my heavy drones down. i launch fighters. by this point hes out of warp disruptor range and all of a sudden i have lost all my fighters for 3 minutes while he takes them on a ride.

their support is continuing to grow.

i eventually get my fighters back and switch to sentries. sentries autoaggro something and pop it. im so happy ;p. they then shoot something else but i dont know what. it says their fighting so i let them do their thing.

they were attacking the damp caracal! yay. he warps out. im locking **** now. start shooting at their dictor with sentries he out-tracks them. try to switch. sentries are out of range. activate smartbombs and try to kill them so i can launch heavies and web drones. arazu just came in. im screwed. damp caracal is back now too.

wait 5 minutes under more fire tank is still holding. drop heavies and let them run loose.

10 minutes later friendly fleet comes to save me.

now.

with your changes what kind of defence do you think 5 drones would offer me vs. the 12 i had before?

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Hello I'm from MC and refuting the claim of carriers being undue WTFPWNmobiles by pointing out that I was killed by a gang of 15 hostiles, while only taking out some of them.

By the way, while a number of people are saying a carrier should be able to take on half a dozen battleships solo for costing ~2 billion, it would only be fair if faction fitted, 2+ billion Machariels, Vindicators, CNRs and such could do the same. (And could go 1:1 against carriers).

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Originally by: Ztrain

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Originally by: Trass

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Zulu is now working on balancing different elements of EVE and one of the first projects he gets to work on is the relationship between Supercapitals, Fighters and Drones. Be gentle on him, he's got a tough one!

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Wrangler, for us (players) and zulu it will be better if you transfer him back to Quality Assurance department.

His proposition will kill this game, and you lose job. Players are tired and wont sustain such horrible stupid idea like capital nerf. Its only one man for god, you want risk future of this game for one man? Seriously man watch how many of us are against.

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Well this one was caught because they made a blog about it. Who knows what other garbage this guy is thinking up that they'll just try and sneak in. Basically lost all faith in CCPs development staff. At that point the question needs to be asked why continue. The next question after that is what game to go too.

Z

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Originally by: Bon Hedus

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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i cant believe you ************ suckers put this **** on the test server

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You have got to be kidding me... when did this happen?

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Originally by: Reptzo

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so, all you guys canceling, um, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF????

i mean, seriously, you wont be needing it

please?

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Originally by: breadcat

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whine whine whine.......seriously just lol.....make some constructive suggestions instead.

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Originally by: Prydeless

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Shacknews just posted about it. Its getting out to the media

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Originally by: lofty29

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Page 100, still no response. Yey!

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There were actually a few dev posts in the thread. Though they were all either indignant or kindly asking us to hold off on the effigy burning until after the supposedly imminent dev blog. None contained what I would term a "response" more just one dev noticed we existed, told us to simmer down and then wondered away.

Devs, if you really are reading this look at several of my earlier posts for alternatives to the planned changes.

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