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Aravel Thon	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:39:00 - [1] What sort of tactical niche does a stealh bomber fit in pvp? Ive mainly seen them used being hauler poppers at gates in 0.0 but beyond that i havent seen them used in gangs much. Do they have much of a role outside of this? or are they merely a unique toy to fly around when bored? Now ive heard of all-SB gangs wrecking havoc on much larger mixed ship gangs but these are rare, so im talking about general small scale pvp gang warfare.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:41:00 - [2] High DPS in a very mobile frame. Good for hit-and-runs or rapid response defence.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Brea Lafail High DPS in a very mobile frame. Good for hit-and-runs or rapid response defence. With the addition that with cloaking they're difficult to root out of a system, or even a particular hotspot like a station, belt or gate. So they're pretty good at harassing enemy logistics, in particular if they're used together with force recons. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:52:00 - [4] Thier pants!, but fun, wouldn't go spending excessive SP on em
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Brea Lafail High DPS in a very mobile frame. Good for hit-and-runs or rapid response defence. *Low dps very low at that, since you mostly uncloak at 100 in order not to get popped, and wait till your cruises get there. high alpha though, i'd say. training skills... :(
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:52:00 - [6] good for catching those tackler ships, instapoping them, then disappearing. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: Brea Lafail High DPS in a very mobile frame. Good for hit-and-runs or rapid response defence. *Low dps very low at that, since you mostly uncloak at 100 in order not to get popped, and wait till your cruises get there. high alpha though, i'd say. You're also firing more missiles while they are on their way. Unless the battle only takes less than a minute, the flight time hardly has any real effect on the dps. A Stealth Bomber has the dps of half a Raven.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Reem Fairchild You're also firing more missiles while they are on their way. Unless the battle only takes less than a minute, the flight time hardly has any real effect on the dps. A Stealth Bomber has the dps of half a Raven. Depends on how you're operating it. If you're operating it in a "Submarine" type situation where you uncloak, hit and then sneak away to attack from somewhere else, then they have a very low DPS. But still a very high alphastrike. But if you're operating it like you can see in for example the "House of Prawn" video, then they have an excessivly high DPS for a frigate. In any case a Stealthbomber always relies on having complete and utter tactical superiority during its attackrun. Either because their opponents can't target them in time, or because range and electronic warfare makes it impossible for the opponent to target them. The moment you don't have that it's time to run. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:11:00 - [9] Massive alpha strike, I'm up to 2500 explosive damage atm with faction cruise. Fragile yes, but since you can uncloak, fire, and cloak in less then 10 seconds now you can do some big damage.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:47:00 - [10] Basically uncloak, fire off a volley, recloak, very high alpha for a frigate. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:53:00 - [11] I only just got my hands on a SB and havent got to try it out, but... I don't think Id always bother with a cloak. Without it, you can get a SB with a bare-basics setup for under 10mil. Put the cloak on, and that doubles. So, if you just need to bring the hurt with a all-frig gang and dont plan to sit still long, it's just risking more than you gotta with no real advantage gained.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:06:00 - [12] Do missiles explode when cloaked? It's been a while I haven't flown my stealth bomber, but last time I checked, they did not, you had to wait for impact before re-cloaking. If this has changed, it's all good. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Sorja Do missiles explode when cloaked? It's been a while I haven't flown my stealth bomber, but last time I checked, they did not, you had to wait for impact before re-cloaking. If this has changed, it's all good. You have to remain uncloaked for a while. But you can recloak a few seconds (about 3-4 seconds I think) before they impact and still get a hit. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Tovran Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:30:00 - [14] High alpha, good dps agaisnt cruiser down. Excellent ewar and firesupport in harassment gangs. Generally easy to keep alive if you play safe with them. Usually really good in situations where a big group of enemies could drop in on you at short notice and catch fatter/ less cloaky ships. Oh and great for all cloaking gate camps.
AntonioBanderas	Posted - 2007.10.22 09:38:00 - [15] mighty fun in gangs
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.22 10:21:00 - [16] i'd like to hijack this post for a few questions, as my alt recently got the skills to fly a cheetah with covert ops cloak and a hound, and is now getting support skills up. i was thinking about solo-pvp possibilities - does this tactic work?: uncloak at around 20km, scramble, orbit and pwn. if damage starts to income, double dampen and get some range till enemy loses lock... CAN I CLOAK NOW? - i've seen some setups including ECM... isn't dampener better, because it always works? - i guess the ship is not really ment to be for solo-pvp as i would need to get very close for scrambling... any suggestions on this? - what kind of ships would i be able to kill in 1 or max 2 volleys, with maxed skills (T1 faction launchers and faction ammo)? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
HW Chopper	Posted - 2007.10.22 11:17:00 - [17] they lead u too recon ships that are sweet lil ships
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.22 11:34:00 - [18] Edited by: Jon Hawkes on 22/10/2007 11:35:16 Originally by: Kayna Eelai - does this tactic work?: uncloak at around 20km, scramble, orbit and pwn. if damage starts to income, double dampen and get some range till enemy loses lock... CAN I CLOAK NOW? You can cloak as long as nobody is locking you. Bombers will rarely have enough cap to keep a 20km scrambler and 2 Damps going for very long. Plus, anything with an MWD can get out of scramble range in seconds, and then you're going to be in trouble. Quote: - i've seen some setups including ECM... isn't dampener better, because it always works? Yes, plus they use much less cap. Quote: - i guess the ship is not really ment to be for solo-pvp as i would need to get very close for scrambling... any suggestions on this? Pick your targets carefully. If you're feeling brave and have a webifier as well, you CAN take Interceptors out, although it is risky. Use your cloak to choose your targets before engaging; not many ships have that luxury. Quote: - what kind of ships would i be able to kill in 1 or max 2 volleys, with maxed skills (T1 faction launchers and faction ammo)? T1 Frigs, Barges, Interceptors, Haulers. AF's are generally a no-no unless you are 100% positive that you can find the hole in their resists. ANYTHING that travels at over 3,500m/s will take roughly 0.1 HP of damage from you, even if you are using Precision Cruise missiles. Explosion Radius does not even come into it, it's the Explosion VELOCITY. With maxed skills, a Precision Cruise missile has an Explosion Velocity of 1,500m/s; anything going over that will take less and less damage as their speed increases, thus the best way for Interceptor pilots to deal with Bombers is to MWD straight at them and rip them to pieces.
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.22 14:38:00 - [19] nice info, thx one more question... as i have a cheetah, i have a covert ops cloak II. i didn't quite look well at the hounds description, but i assumed it would work on that ship too... but it does not. so, the hounds description sais you can achieve higher speed cloaked than not cloaked... is that right? because without an covert ops cloak, and having the covert ops skill at IV right now, i am not even getting close to same speed than uncloaked... what am i missing? what exactly is needed (which modules and skills) to be faster once cloaked? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Lisento Slaven Amarr BAD ATTITUDES	Posted - 2007.10.22 14:42:00 - [20] I use them to kill ratters. Two stealth bombers with 4x sensor damp (total) within 24km and at least 1 24km scram = fun. Wait for the target to start getting shot by the rats and then start pummeling them =P --- Put in space whales!
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.22 15:24:00 - [21] Stealth Bombers wil travel faster cloaked than decloaked as long as: - You are NOT using the Prototype Cloak. - Your Covert Ops skill is level 4 or higher.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Reem Fairchild You're also firing more missiles while they are on their way. Unless the battle only takes less than a minute, the flight time hardly has any real effect on the dps. A Stealth Bomber has the dps of half a Raven. Depends on how you're operating it. If you're operating it in a "Submarine" type situation where you uncloak, hit and then sneak away to attack from somewhere else, then they have a very low DPS. But still a very high alphastrike. But if you're operating it like you can see in for example the "House of Prawn" video, then they have an excessivly high DPS for a frigate. In any case a Stealthbomber always relies on having complete and utter tactical superiority during its attackrun. Either because their opponents can't target them in time, or because range and electronic warfare makes it impossible for the opponent to target them. The moment you don't have that it's time to run. Well, when I've used them it's usually been in a roaming gang with several bombers supported by interceptors and sometimes an interdictor as well. The tacklers hold the enemy in place and the bombers stay at range, dampen, and spam cruise missiles.

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