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Tuvan VanBuurin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.25 11:02:00 -
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I have an iteron- what would be the next best upgrade.?
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.01.25 11:30:00 -
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wrong section - but 1) you don't want to mine 2) you don't want to mine in an iteron 3) if you want to haul see https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pL2_VjnQWzosfedBpxtV9Wg&output=html http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Vex Thee
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:06:00 -
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A retriever. |
Keaton DuCasse
Angry Angels Constructions The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:14:00 -
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Vex Thee wrote:A retriever.
After that a Covetor and thereafter a Hulk
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:26:00 -
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My advice to a new miner.....
Never imply by word or deed that the minerals you mine are free, it's likely to get you forum ganked
Also RE: ships - what the other guys said
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:29:00 -
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Anyone asking about mining and mentioning an Iteron in the same sentence is T R O L L.
*yawns* OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:34:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Anyone asking about mining and mentioning an Iteron in the same sentence is T R O L L.
*yawns*
Maybe they pop cans and go collect there ore later, maybe they need to haul from wherever they mine it, maybe if you come into a thread with the sole purpose of calling someone a troll it actually makes you one.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.01.25 14:40:00 -
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If you are looking to start out with mining your first mining ship shuld be a cruiser.
every race has a cruiser that receives a good mining bonus. I prefer the caldari osprey it mines better than the lowest mining barge the procurer.
After that you want to work towards a retriever
After retriever comes the covetor but once you can fly one you are only a couple days from getting into a hulk. the ultimate mining ship. however hulks are several hundred mil to buy last I checked. So if funds are tight get a covetor.
Iteron is a good hauling ship considering the iteron 5 is the highest cargo capacity of all the tech 1 industrial's when full expanded. but if you do not want to spend the time training a racial industrial to level 5 the mammoth is tier 4 and can hold almost a full jetcan fully expanded, actually over a full jet can if you use tech II cargo rigs.
Which brings us to the next issue. The most efficent way to mine is jetcan mining. there is some risk involved as your can can be stolen but the idea in to mine into the can until its full then swap ships to an industrial and go pick up the can. as a miner you will need an industrial to pick up cans and move your ore minerals around to get the best selling price.
Forget about mining with an industrial. it may seem worthwhile to have a single mining laser on an industrial and just afk while it slowly fills up. but it does not work so well in practice. even an osprey can mine enough to completely fill an industrial in about 15 minuites. besides most high sec roids are small and you need to frequently retarget to keep mining.
There are a lot of good mining guides out there if you google here is one Mining guide
Be patient and just ignore all the players that keep telling you mining is a waste of time. it is a good source of income for new players and a good way to learn the basics of the game before getting into higher skilled activities. |
Jacob Lyon Chieve
Sanguis Mortem Industrial
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Posted - 2012.01.25 17:57:00 -
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Bugsy provided a very thorough reply - great response and very accurate. |
Karak Bol
Cable Innovations
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:36:00 -
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http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=The_Complete_Miner%27s_Guide_by_Halada
Read that, learn it, use it and probably someday in future, forget it. :) (I still mine every now and then, it can be relaxing) |
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Trast Goydo
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:11:00 -
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Bugsy, on the money!! +1
I sneak off into low sec in a ninja osprey every now and then. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:19:00 -
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Karak Bol wrote:http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=The_Complete_Miner's_Guide_by_Halada
Read that, learn it, use it and probably someday in future, forget it. :) (I still mine every now and then, it can be relaxing) No idea what version that page was derived from.
I archived the last edition: Halada's The Complete Miner's Guide 3.1 (Extended Edition) |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.26 01:11:00 -
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Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level) Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Miranda Fluffbunny
Black Company Merc's
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level)
This. Mining is a mug's game. Even if you manage to avoid getting suicide ganked, war decced or ruthlessly mocked by the other carebears you'll never get rich from it. |
AstarothPrime
Eternal Profiteers Eternal Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:58:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level)
Or better:
Clear sanctums in 1200+ DPS ships for 25M ticks...
Then again u cant run several of those without risking getting popped by rats themselves, let alone gankers... so then -> I have another mining / refining / indy / trade (lets say non combat) alt which is there because i can leave it afk and it doesnt bother anyone. PI basically covers its costs if u have nice nullsec PI filled up :)
I. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:18:00 -
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Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level) This. Mining is a mug's game. Even if you manage to avoid getting suicide ganked, war decced or ruthlessly mocked by the other carebears you'll never get rich from it.
Oh no not from that Crockite and Arkonor I found in High Sec available WH yesterday. Nope. Not rich at all.............
Amazing how nobody ever mines but seemingly know ALL about it. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Richard C Hoagland
Anarchos Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:46:00 -
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I've seen a lot of newer characters trying to mine in indys. I understand what causes the problem, even if it makes no sense from a yield or isk/hour perspective. When you're starting out, cargo space is a major problem. Your mining frigate has very little, and even with expanders, a cruiser often won't fare much better. The flying back and forth is a time sink, and costs you ISK each time you have to do it. So then you switch to jetcan mining. You get can-flipped, and maybe you lose a ship while learning how everything works. Then, seeing the long train required for serious mining ships, you switch to an iteron. It "solves" the problems you had before, if you aren't thinking about the math.
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Rostok Kemal
CyberDyne industrial Agency G Spot Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:01:00 -
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One more thing you should probably do is join a corporation. If you like to mine, there are a lot of corporations out there that would love to have a new member. Not only will they give you people to talk to while mining, they will also teach you the ropes. |
Msgerbs
Ironclad Forge STORM.
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:20:00 -
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Anything is an upgrade from an iteron. I mean literally anything. A rookie ship with 2 mining lasers is an upgrade from an iteron. Practically speaking, your next step should be an Exequror. |
Tuvan VanBuurin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:32:00 -
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Thank you so much for all your replies. I picked the iteron because i could hold so much! Everyone told me not to jetcan because its dangerous. I am 2 days from getting my retriever which will help alot!
How do I join a corporation? Also, I cannot seem to find any pyroxcres? I heard that is the big money maker.
Thanks everyone! |
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Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:45:00 -
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Different regions and security levels have different ores. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:03:00 -
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Tuvan VanBuurin wrote:Thank you so much for all your replies. I picked the iteron because i could hold so much! Everyone told me not to jetcan because its dangerous. I am 2 days from getting my retriever which will help alot!
How do I join a corporation? Also, I cannot seem to find any pyroxcres? I heard that is the big money maker.
Thanks everyone!
Talk to people. Socialize. Then ask to join one of your new friend's corps.
Jetcan mining has a slight risk of being canflipped. The result of which is either losing the ore in the can, or if you're stupid and shoot, your ship as well.
As for Mining profit and ore location, Google that Mother already. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
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Posted - 2012.01.27 08:19:00 -
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I used to mine in a Badger... Pure and simply cause I could set and forget... Mining lasers and cargo expanders...
But it's bloody boring, mind you I fly a Hulk now, and it's still boring, just a lot quicker...
But I mine while I'm at work, so I can't do intensive stuff... I just set and forget, and come back to a full cargo bay, a lonely pod or a weird station with a headache... I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow...
Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 09:48:00 -
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I recommened mining only if you play a lot semi-afk, from work or something. If you play the game normally, do missions for money. You will realise that mining is just a waste of time and skillpoints to learn. |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:41:00 -
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Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level) This. Mining is a mug's game. Even if you manage to avoid getting suicide ganked, war decced or ruthlessly mocked by the other carebears you'll never get rich from it.
I like to mine. I'm also a billionaire... is that rich enough? I'm currently filling a station vault with Ore just becasue I can (thats 10mill m3) When I refine and sell the minerals will I be rich then? BTW what do you classify as rich?
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:39:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level) This. Mining is a mug's game. Even if you manage to avoid getting suicide ganked, war decced or ruthlessly mocked by the other carebears you'll never get rich from it. I like to mine. I'm also a billionaire... is that rich enough? I'm currently filling a station vault with Ore just becasue I can (thats 10mill m3) When I refine and sell the minerals will I be rich then? BTW what do you classify as rich?
You can make a lot of mining - just not in high sec.
To the OP, you may wish to reconsider your choice of occupation for the immediate future. Hulkageddon so it will be much more likely for you to get suicide ganked for the next month or two. |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:52:00 -
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My advice is to stop your mining career this instant. It is the lowest isk/hour earner in the game thanks to competition from refineable drops and botters (i.e. those who automate masses of mining characters by hacking the game and writing scripts). Most players are best off earning isk by ratting, running missions, and/or running incursions. If you want to graduate to something more advanced, there's trading, production, and exploration. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:01:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level) This. Mining is a mug's game. Even if you manage to avoid getting suicide ganked, war decced or ruthlessly mocked by the other carebears you'll never get rich from it. I like to mine. I'm also a billionaire... is that rich enough? I'm currently filling a station vault with Ore just becasue I can (thats 10mill m3) When I refine and sell the minerals will I be rich then? BTW what do you classify as rich?
I got ~2m m3 of minerals (not ore) in a station warehouse atm. Not really sure what I'm gonna do with it atm. I haven't mined in over ~18 months. None of those minerals were ever ore. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:12:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Run missions, make isk, buy more minerals than you would be able to mine in the same amount of time (at every SP level) This. Mining is a mug's game. Even if you manage to avoid getting suicide ganked, war decced or ruthlessly mocked by the other carebears you'll never get rich from it. I like to mine. I'm also a billionaire... is that rich enough? I'm currently filling a station vault with Ore just becasue I can (thats 10mill m3) When I refine and sell the minerals will I be rich then? BTW what do you classify as rich?
My trade alt has over 3.5 billion in assets and I still consider myself small fry. Most of that was made since Dec 20, when I finally decided to get serious about increasing my capital. |
Sevastian Liao
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:51:00 -
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If you're really interested in specializing long-term into mining, I've found that deciding where to settle down is one of the more important decisions you can make that will decide whether you enjoy your time mining. Some factors to consider when deciding which solar system to mine in:
1) Is there a 50% base refining yield station in the system? For now, you're most probably better off selling the ore/storing it up, but in future - after maxing out the relevant mining skills - you may want to train up refining skills. I've found that refining ore into its component minerals tends to add another 5-10% additional profit margin onto your sales. Another benefit is that this allows for more efficient transportation of your goods in future, since the component minerals take up much less space than the equivalent unit of ore
2) Does said station belong to a corp that has nearby mining agents? Having mining missions available allows you to put some variety into your mining career, as well as allowing you to build up reputation with the corp that will reduce your sales tax and refining tax, building up even larger profit margins in future. Since you've specced out to mine effectively, might as well turn those skills to use in your missions instead of trying to run other missions which call for ships and skills you probably have not trained for
3) Is there a large pool of regional buy orders in your region? Obviously, having more parties buying ore/minerals in a region is beneficial to you. Check the range on the buy orders - do they extend to the station that you want to base out of? If a decent number of them do, congratulations - You won't have to haul the ore around yourself, as there's a buyer willing to travel to where you are to pick up your goods. Should you really need ISK fast, this also allows you the option of selling your ore/minerals to buy orders (not recommended otherwise)
4) Is there a lot of regular traffic to that system? More traffic means a higher chance of competing miners / passing canflippers who will be disruptive to your mining efforts. Canflippers are likely to trawl through newbie systems, so take a few days to mine and observe the movement of your friendly neighbourhood flippers. And yes, if you do manage to find such a quiet system you probably should jetcan mine, it's a huge efficiency boost compared to turning around for the station everytime your mining ship's full.
It may seem like a good deal of effort to find that ideal location for yourself, but it's worth it if you really do enjoy mining and want to make the most out of the profession. More than any other career I'd say mining's the most dependent on squeezing out marginal efficiencies here and there to make worthwhile, and hence deciding where to settle down should be a priority, since it affects so many other variables that affect your mining career.
Some random, additional tips: - Pyroxeres is indeed one of the more profitable ores in high sec at the moment. You can find them in systems with a security level of 0.9 and below. The lower the sec status, the larger the quantity of ore available - Systems with a sec level of 0.8 and below spawn NPC rats in the asteroid belts. Your retriever can tank most of these spawns, but I still like to take a few combat drones to kill them off. The noise gets annoying - Mining drones can be a good boost to your mining yield, but I'd suggest spending a day at most training up drone skills, and instead focusing on maxing out the higher return mining turret and ship-based mining boosts first - When deciding which ore's more profitable remember to consider profit per m3, not profit per unit - Always stock up and sell your stuff in bulk if possible. Most buyers are willing to pay a decent premium for the convenience
Good luck! |
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