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Sheamis Kast
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Posted - 2007.10.22 07:59:00 -
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I am a newish player and I have completed all the training I need to run level four missions effectively. I have been flying a mix of Amarr and Gallente ships in PvP and I am about to start training for tech II ships. I realize that a lot of Amarr ships have their problems but would I be completely screwing myself if I trained for Amarr ships over Gallente?
Here is why I want to train Amarr
Damnation vs Eos:
This ship seems superior to the Eos for its role. I understand that the Eos is a better solo ship, but that is not why I am going to fly a Fleet Command Ship. The Armored Warfare Link Mods seem far superior to the Information Warfare Link Mods. I only ever want to fly either of these ships as fleet support and as far as I can tell the Damnation will fulfill that role better.
Absolution vs Astarte:
I have been messing around in EFT with these two ships and it is pretty clear that the Astarte puts out more damage, tanks slightly better, and the fourth mid is very useful. However, one thing I like about the Absolution over the Astarte is its range. This allows me to put my guns on ships that I would be unable to close on, giving me DPS in a situation where the Astarte has none. Secondly, I never go solo PvPing I know that I am still too young and even when I can fly this ship I will probably still go out at least as a pair. As such the lack of a webber is not too large of a concern for me, since my wingman will more then likely have one.
Amarr HACs vs Gallente HACs:
Here I must concede that I to not like the Zealot compared to either of the Gallente HACs. There is nothing you can do with a Zealot that a Deimos or an Ishtar would not do better. With the Sac however, I do think that it is a better small gang ship then the Deimos. The Deimos can out damage it by quite a large margin, but then it has no tank. In the two to four man gangs I am used to this would just get me killed should they decide to target me. Also, the Sac's damage can be of any damage type and I don't have to worry about my speed causing problems with accuracy. Between the Sac and the Ishtar I would have to go with the Ishtar, it takes a bit more training to work, but it is a much more versatile ship. That being said, I still think the Sac is a solid boat and I can still do well in it.
Amarr Recon vs Gallente Recon:
Here there is almost no contest, neutralizers may be nice as it makes most enemies go down faster, but who cares when you can just damp any enemy and they can't do a damn thing. CCP has seemed to recognize the fact that damps are broken as they banned them from their Fanfest tourney. As such I am hesitant to train for a damp boat since I can feel the nerf bat looming overhead. As far as I am concerned this will be undecided until the nerf is implemented.
My concern is not so much which is the best; rather I want to know if the Amarr boats can stand on their own or is it just foolish to train them over Gallente. I would like this thread to not turn into a gripe fest; I am merely looking for helpful advice on how to proceed with my skill training.
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Pharos Dei
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pharos Dei on 22/10/2007 08:14:00
DAmnation vs eos...
if youre flying small gangs then eos is still alot better than an abso...y es it is not qute as beneficial to your gang on first glance, on second glance though one has too see, that the eos, is faster, more versatile and does significantly more dage to your enemies...
so unless youre planning to fly in 10+ gangs regularily an eos should be your first choice..
Absolution vs Astarte
hmm, youre right on what youve said there, however you might be glad to hear that the abso will presumably get a 4th med slot (which it direly needs) in the coming patch.
However, even with the 4th med slot the choice between astarte and abso is a close one... theyre very similar with slight pros and cons...
but, remember being able to fly an astarte is very close to flying an eos... and eos vs abso = eos 7d of the week..
HACs
Yes my zealot has killed lots of deimos's and ishtars... and so has my sacri...
but, if flown correctly both ishtar and especially the deimos (!if flown correctly!) are superior to both zealot and sacri
Recons
tough call, i mean dmaps will get nerfed soonTM, but still 60km scrambling range on a recon really has its ups, esp if as you stated youre flying in a gang..
the curse is still a decent recon, but its only good in 1vs1 fights against people that dont really know what they are doing...
in total, yes yes, gallente 4tw... amarr have their ups, but theyre nowhere as affective as gallente ships can be...
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Arakidias
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:13:00 -
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Take Amarr, gallente own currently. By the time you're done with training for Amarr they will most likely recieve a boost or two, making them uber once again.
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Soultaker Angel
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:14:00 -
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Honey understand this...
Amarr have capacitor problem
All ships tanks so good EM (amarr fire Em)
Gallente Have something that can ring u in the head... DRONES
Sacrilege? Good ship.. with khanid changes
Amar recon.. vs Gallente Recon...
If CCp nerf sensor dampeners... I will go for Amar
If not I will go for Mimmatar :P 
Yes .. Amarr seems good in paper and golden things bcoz they are not so bad.. But u will prefer a ship that look good and make the work good
or .... Tananana (8) The SHIP that look NICE and make the work excellent
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Pharos Dei
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Arakidias
Take Amarr, gallente own currently. By the time you're done with training for Amarr they will most likely recieve a boost or two, making them uber once again.
*cough*... thats what i thought when i started this too 18 months ago...
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Sidephex
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:15:00 -
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You wouldnt screw yourself at all. and even if they dont get a boost: train whatever u want to train and feel like flying. and dont give a **** about all the whiners in this forum.
my thoughts
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Soultaker Angel
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sidephex
You wouldnt screw yourself at all. and even if they dont get a boost: train whatever u want to train and feel like flying. and dont give a **** about all the whiners in this forum.
my thoughts
Nice trolling btw
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Aramendel
Amarr
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.22 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Dei
if youre flying small gangs then eos is still alot better than an abso...y es it is not qute as beneficial to your gang on first glance, on second glance though one has too see, that the eos, is faster, more versatile and does significantly more dage to your enemies...
Its quite likely that with the next patch the eos won't be able to use 5 heavy drones anymore while will reduce its power by a good (needed) deal.
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hmm, youre right on what youve said there, however you might be glad to hear that the abso will presumably get a 4th med slot (which it direly needs) in the coming patch.
It doesn't. That picture was a fake as has been noted in like 20 threads here.
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Rudy Metallo
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.22 10:39:00 -
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You're looking is gang work, from what I can draw from your post.
If such is the case, go Amarr.
Curse is still a ***** to deal with in another gang, cause it can MWD and sit at ~27km and kill inties with ease and bugger off when anything else gets too close, and still provide good support.
Yes, Arazu/Lach do the same thing - but you'll be primaried quicker than you can say "Hot Potato", and will so have a ranis inside their locking range beating on you. With the curse, you dont have then problem. Two nuets of any ceptors and it has no cap, at which point you a) kill it with fire, or b) laugh and warp out.
Anyway, enough on the curse, lets go to the HACs now.
It is true that the Zealot isn't as good as the Ishtar or the Deimos. However, it can be set up for sniping and run away from said ships (unless it's a nano ishatar), and pewpew them from afar.
Second, The Sac has just been boosted with MK II (imo), and with HAMs and some decent skills, is a VERY useful solo or gang ship.
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Sidephex
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Soultaker Angel
Nice trolling btw
would you be so kind and enlighten me where my response was a troll?
all i said is he should train what he feels like...
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Neo Rainhart
Caldari
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Dei
however you might be glad to hear that the abso will presumably get a 4th med slot (which it direly needs) in the coming patch.
Where is my link?!  Where did you see/hear this?
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sidephex
Originally by: Soultaker Angel
Nice trolling btw
would you be so kind and enlighten me where my response was a troll?
all i said is he should train what he feels like...
He's the alt of a well-known troll, therefore, he has license to call everybody else trolls. He's ruined several threads before.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.10.22 12:13:00 -
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If you're going to select a race based entirely on whose ships perform better overall in the majority of encounters, it's Gallente. But yeah, you can hold your own in an Amarr ship. I do it every day. It's an uphill struggle at times, but that's the price you pay for flying sexy gold plated ships spewing beams of energy.
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Mr Li
The Graduates
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Posted - 2007.10.22 12:52:00 -
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It doesn't really matter what race you fly, just fly whatever looks good, whatever race's back story you like, etc. You're not going to be screwed if you choose one over the other.
there's always one or two people in Amarr threads that say one day Amarr will be ROTM again so train now. This might be true, since I don't think that the 'oomph' the Devs talked about has been implemented ( i hope not at least). You'll find a lot of frustrated Amarr, but also a lot of satisfied ones too, don't let the 'boost amarr' threads get you down, they're usually about just a few ships, and even then, if a race was as broken as people make it out to be, the whining would be more epic than anything ever seen before.
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Soultaker Angel
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Posted - 2007.10.22 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Acoco Osiris
Originally by: Sidephex
Originally by: Soultaker Angel
Nice trolling btw
would you be so kind and enlighten me where my response was a troll?
all i said is he should train what he feels like...
He's the alt of a well-known troll, therefore, he has license to call everybody else trolls. He's ruined several threads before.
Btw little kid Alt is alt.. and im not his alt
Diferent account roled by myself! SO if you dont know please dont say anything Thanks
Let me inform you: Not every person are kid like you. So you should considere a little more respect
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:05:00 -
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Do not train Amarr... Let that race become extinct. It is time.
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Soultaker Angel
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Madla Mafia
Do not train Amarr... Let that race become extinct. It is time.
mm yes Can i keep the ships like a toy? ;) i will be an happy minmmatar
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Aramendel
Amarr
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Madla Mafia
Do not train Amarr... Let that race become extinct. It is time.
And let all the slaves starve because the do not know how to feed themselves? I think not.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:14:00 -
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Gallente. The upcoming drone UI changes are really going to make drones faar more attractive.
Besides sporting some excellent pvp'ers, gallente really shines in NPC'ing also. Good damage and great tank coupled with the flexibility of drones makes Gallente an excellent ratting/mission running race.
GO with gallente, do amarr later...like I did, only with mini's.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.22 15:08:00 -
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I fly Gallente/Amarr HACS & Recons.
Regarding solo pvp:
If you compare all 4 Recons, Curse is the best.
If you compare all 4 HACs, Sacrilege is the best.
For gangs you'd be better off with Gallente.
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