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Xio2
F4LLEN 4RMY
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Posted - 2007.10.24 08:11:00 -
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Bet you thought it was another whine thread huh?
Seriously its getting rediculous guys... I know there is allways whining when some changes hit SISI but this time its an all out cry fest. I have seen more crying, especially from bob pilots, about carriers than I think I have ever seen about any other change. And I have been around a long ass time(with another character back to october 03)
You babies make yourselves out to be the beliguered and abused patrons of a tyrannical company taking your money and nerfing your ships...
wahhh CARRIERS! wahhh MARAUDERS!! WAAHHHH MOMS!!! Wahhh EOS!!! OMFG WAAAAHHHH AMARR(actually this one is sort of necessary...seriously wtf ccp)!!! wahhh Diemos!!! Wahhh Raven does too little dps Wahhh Raven does too much dps WAHHH GOons
Waahhhhh BoB
seriously stop the whining and crying about how u want your ship, that u think will make u some kind of evil/shiny KNIGHT 'O DOOM, anti-nerfed to a state of invulnerability
I have plenty of wants and needs too for the ships I fly and will be flying but I will let ccp do their thing and trust them. After all this has worked for 4 years.
I know u uber carrier/mom pilots think are saying u just wasted 47.2 years of training but you really in actuallity didn't because u still have a ship that is equal to any other of the same class ship with a pilot of the same skills flying it. It might not fair as well against another class of ship or a$$load of another class ships but just go with the punches and switch ships if u dont like it. your ship and skillpoints wont be going anywhere so just hope back in it later when u wanna give it another go.
And those of you threatening to quit? We dont need your whining on the forums and we dont need your competition in game so go to another game allready otherwise suck it up.
Thank you for reading and go huck yourself!! -------------- Xio2 |

Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.24 08:13:00 -
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grow up, it's not any one entity that is ****ed about what was originally proposed to be done. I have seen people for and against the changes from practically every alliance ingame.....
attack the arguments not the people that are making them
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Rockbox
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xio2OMFG WAAAAHHHH AMARR(actually this one is sort of necessary...seriously wtf ccp)!!
Xio2
F4LLEN 4RMY
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Posted - 2007.10.24 08:19:00 -
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sorry its true just look at the maria stallion thread(in CAOD)... lots o' bob... but enough please dont derail my thread...
(I retract my BOB addendum if it makes you happy) -------------- Xio2 |

Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.24 08:27:00 -
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refuting a claim made in the OP is not derailing a thread ffs........
and starting your thread out with "Bet you thought it was another whine thread huh?" and then proceeding to whine about whiners is so ridiculous I dont know whether to laugh or cry....
and if all ccp wanted to have happen was to do their thing and have us trust them then there is no reason whatsoever to present potential changes to the subscriber base well in advance of the actual changes being made. They require feedback, it helps them make better informed decisions on the state of the game, not to single anyone out but I remember hearing some funny stories about Selene at fanfest talking to one of the higher ups and stating why the hurricane was overpowered with its powergrid and turret layout, whether its true or not it sounded like selene made a good point about the then current potential of the ship and low and behold when it went live those things were changed.
in closing dont be ignorant and expect everyone to be as much of a sheep as you seem to want to be. If you have no input to offer on the new ships then dont bother yourself with threads dedicated to doing just that.
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Italian Wedding
Soup Of The Day
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:04:00 -
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Wwaaahhhh
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Xio2
F4LLEN 4RMY
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael refuting a claim made in the OP is not derailing a thread ffs........
and starting your thread out with "Bet you thought it was another whine thread huh?" and then proceeding to whine about whiners is so ridiculous I dont know whether to laugh or cry....
and if all ccp wanted to have happen was to do their thing and have us trust them then there is no reason whatsoever to present potential changes to the subscriber base well in advance of the actual changes being made. They require feedback, it helps them make better informed decisions on the state of the game, not to single anyone out but I remember hearing some funny stories about Selene at fanfest talking to one of the higher ups and stating why the hurricane was overpowered with its powergrid and turret layout, whether its true or not it sounded like selene made a good point about the then current potential of the ship and low and behold when it went live those things were changed.
in closing dont be ignorant and expect everyone to be as much of a sheep as you seem to want to be. If you have no input to offer on the new ships then dont bother yourself with threads dedicated to doing just that.
Seriously? have you had a bad day or something? would you like a hug?
Good story about selenne but most people dont like the teachers pet... also I hate to say it but you come off a lot more whiny and ****ed off than I do. you come off like dwight from the Office I come off like maybe spike from cowboy bebop when something gets on his nerves...
I wasn't saying we should just take it up the butt from ccp with whatever ridiculous idea that comes spewing out of the nerf generator program tux came up with before he headed off on extended leave to the mediteranian with 201 babes and jay z's Private Yaught. All I am saying is provide a little feedback on why changes might be bad.
And by a little I mean add to a post every now and then about a ship u think got the shaft. You are correct in that we shouldn't sit back and let them do whatever.
This insesant whining and starting threads about every ship new and old that is prenerfed or preoverpowered is not helping though. Carrier's and Mom's were broken and perhaps the rookie ship balancer should have stated more precisely what he thought was wrong with them but they needed fixing. My idea is to sit back and let you guys ***** and moan about the changes but when I cant find a thread actually relating to ship and module fitting in ships in modules through all the OMGzorsIgotNERFED threads I am going to exorcise my right to say something! -------------- Xio2 |

fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael grow up, it's not any one entity that is ****ed about what was originally proposed to be done. I have seen people for and against the changes from practically every alliance ingame.....
attack the arguments not the people that are making them
Totally agreed. You know something is very very wrong when enemies who absolutely hate each other agree on something ( ingame hate, no crazy postal worker with gun hate)
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xio2 Seriously? have you had a bad day or something? would you like a hug?
Good story about selenne but most people dont like the teachers pet... also I hate to say it but you come off a lot more whiny and ****ed off than I do. you come off like dwight from the Office I come off like maybe spike from cowboy bebop when something gets on his nerves...
I wasn't saying we should just take it up the butt from ccp with whatever ridiculous idea that comes spewing out of the nerf generator program tux came up with before he headed off on extended leave to the mediteranian with 201 babes and jay z's Private Yaught. All I am saying is provide a little feedback on why changes might be bad.
And by a little I mean add to a post every now and then about a ship u think got the shaft. You are correct in that we shouldn't sit back and let them do whatever.
This insesant whining and starting threads about every ship new and old that is prenerfed or preoverpowered is not helping though. Carrier's and Mom's were broken and perhaps the rookie ship balancer should have stated more precisely what he thought was wrong with them but they needed fixing. My idea is to sit back and let you guys ***** and moan about the changes but when I cant find a thread actually relating to ship and module fitting in ships in modules through all the OMGzorsIgotNERFED threads I am going to exorcise my right to say something!
Uhm, no, he does come off reasonable and sound, whereas you come off whiny.
What you fail to see in your general argument is the fact that every single one of these whinthreads you listed serve a purpose, they voice the general idea of pilots. Your post contributed... hmm... zip.
Is your thread needed? Did someone get wiser by reading it? Is your post unique or was there someone unaware of what you said? Is there anything but the fact that you disagree said in it?
I do agree that it is annoying, with all the whine, however what you fail to separate is the ignorant random whine and what's actually backed up with reason and experience. I'll agree that at least moms were unbalanced, now tell me this change has fixed them?
Probably can't word it as well as Shardrael, so.. to sum it all up, Shardrael: Agreed.
Postcount: 645753 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
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Xio2
F4LLEN 4RMY
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:34:00 -
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hmmm ok I aggree sorry will crawl back under my rock... NAAAAAAAAAUGHT
I got some experience with this too buddy I whined about the eagle for a long ass time saying it didn't do enough dmg... hmmm no change
hmm ok ccp must know what they are doing... ill just train for diemos if i want to do more dmg... well this sucks(not enough pg)
OK finally in command ships hmmm this eos is sweet...looks to horizon see's incoming nerf
welp time to get skills up for a Sin
see I understand the need to voice your opinion but in all actuality the game is still pretty fun just constantly training for a different ship and while no I am not going to be a political jolly in this game you guys are needed or else nothing will get changed until the dev gets into the ship in question and experiences first hand how f'ed up he made it.
but u political jolly's constantly berating ccp do make my eyes bleed... guess thats your point tho -------------- Xio2 |

Xio2
F4LLEN 4RMY
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:36:00 -
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sorry for being so argumentative its 3:30am and Im writing a paper due in 4.5 hours. I just dont feel like finishing. -------------- Xio2 |

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:36:00 -
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I think whines would be alot easier reason with if ccp actually gave us much more mathematical details in the balancing decisions etc. Give us more dps graphs, cap graphs, ship comparisons and tank graphs. Because I somehow hope balancing is done through some sort of calculations (if not it would be funny) so why not share em with us?
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xio2
OMFG WAAAAHHHH AMARR(actually this one is sort of necessary...seriously wtf ccp)!!!
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Do yuo liek stabbers? ◕◡◕
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:39:00 -
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Ironicly, none of the changes I've fought most for so far has helped me at all.
I want damps nerfed - I'm a gallente recon pilot. I wanted to see nos nerfed - loved the nosdomi - and still do. I want amarr buffed - but I don't fly a single amarr ship. I want modules affecting missiles - even though I rarely use missiles at all.
I whine for balance, not for the game ... or the forums.. being to hard on me.
Oh, and about the carriers and moms, read the latest devblog.
Postcount: 738443 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:47:00 -
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Diddems?
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Xio2
F4LLEN 4RMY
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:54:00 -
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damn dude nice... I like hearing that because I personally was for the changes reading this dev blog has changed my opinion a little bit tho and I hope it helped comfort all of you who were protesting the nerf pretty hard...
love this line tho: This is far from being an unnecessary ôrandom nerfö, we care a lot about EVE and we strongly believe weÆre doing everything we can to make it better. ItÆs against everything that EVE stands for that one ship is able to counter ôalmostö every other ship, can do all roles, all the time, without drawbacks. And that must change.
-Nozh
talk about owned :P -------------- Xio2 |

Michelson Morley
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:58:00 -
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I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say that folks would go to a MMORPG message board and complain.

MM
p.s. Oh, don't get me wrong, I think the whiners should shut up too... but MMORPG forum whining is apparently only slightly behind playing MMORPGs for some people in priority. And maybe not behind.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:05:00 -
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WAHHH COUNTERWINE!
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:18:00 -
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Nerf threads plz kthnx bai
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assassinator mkII
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xio2 Bet you thought it was another whine thread huh?
Seriously its getting rediculous guys... I know there is allways whining when some changes hit SISI but this time its an all out cry fest. I have seen more crying, especially from bob pilots, about carriers than I think I have ever seen about any other change. And I have been around a long ass time(with another character back to october 03)
You babies make yourselves out to be the beliguered and abused patrons of a tyrannical company taking your money and nerfing your ships...
wahhh CARRIERS! wahhh MARAUDERS!! WAAHHHH MOMS!!! Wahhh EOS!!! OMFG WAAAAHHHH AMARR(actually this one is sort of necessary...seriously wtf ccp)!!! wahhh Diemos!!! Wahhh Raven does too little dps Wahhh Raven does too much dps WAHHH GOons
Waahhhhh BoB
seriously stop the whining and crying about how u want your ship, that u think will make u some kind of evil/shiny KNIGHT 'O DOOM, anti-nerfed to a state of invulnerability
I have plenty of wants and needs too for the ships I fly and will be flying but I will let ccp do their thing and trust them. After all this has worked for 4 years.
I know u uber carrier/mom pilots think are saying u just wasted 47.2 years of training but you really in actuallity didn't because u still have a ship that is equal to any other of the same class ship with a pilot of the same skills flying it. It might not fair as well against another class of ship or a$$load of another class ships but just go with the punches and switch ships if u dont like it. your ship and skillpoints wont be going anywhere so just hope back in it later when u wanna give it another go.
And those of you threatening to quit? We dont need your whining on the forums and we dont need your competition in game so go to another game allready otherwise suck it up.
Thank you for reading and go huck yourself!!
for the most part i agree with you. its sad hu. and the worst part is that the devs actually pay attention to it.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 24/10/2007 16:29:51
Originally by: Xio2 Bet you thought it was another whine thread huh?
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Aenis Veros
Caldari Alphaflight
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:42:00 -
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You spell ridiculous with an 'i'.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:58:00 -
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whiners is fine, its the trolls that make it not only hard to read but wildly unforfilling.
must face up to the fact is people didn't post their whines and praise we would still be flying around in cruise missile kessys, and using tempests with 6 dmg mods that insta pop anything smaller than a BC.
i get round it by selecting my threads carefully, unfortunately my 'pointless thread' detector seems to need calibration as im posting in this thread 
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:59:00 -
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Xio2, You can probably fly all races pretty well with 3-4 BS lvl5, atleast 2 command ships, all HACS? if training since 2003. Whatever they change you can adapt in just a few weeks if not instant to the 'better' ships/weapons/tank/whatever. If I had like 25m gunnery, 15m missiles, most engenering/electronis in 5, 5M in drones + every other nice-to-have skill in 5 I wouldn't say anything either.
But, with 2xM invested in some ships/roles that seems to be nerfed it DOES matter. Say I'm 1 week from the ship I think is the most suited for my playstyle, thinking it can't change after 1 year of balancing. Then CCP come around and make most of my time devoted to that class close to useless. So much for noobs trying to catch up in certain fields of this game. CCP will make sure you'll never be able to compete with you vets in any branch, even if specializing from day 1.
No, this isn't about the carrier nerf.. It's the general way CCP always find a way to **** people off.
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