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Tolatha
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:32:00 -
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Hello,
EVE Online as fasinated me for sometime now but I've always struggled to truelly get into the game. Firstly is how deep the game is, which is a great quality but can be truelly overwhelming for new players. I've tried to get into EVE Online once in the past but I was lost in what skills to learn and such. These threads are on here everyday but I would like some advice from experienced players who may have been in the same seat as I am.
Advice on how to get into EVE, from experience players who also struggled to first get into EVE. EVE as always amazed me, especially corporations and wars, one of the issues I have with getting into EVE is that I've never been totally sure what I wanted to do in the Universe. I always enjoyed mining and sellin my wears in past games but it always seems everyone does that, gets bored then goes fightin in PVP. To be fair I've never been deep into PVP but I guess you HAVE to get use to it in EVE if you wish to survive in EVE's universe.
If anyone could give some early advice on a good path to truelly get involved in EVE Online I would appriate it, thanks!
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:47:00 -
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The best way probably is to find a corp you like, join it, and simply watch & learn (while participating and chatting, of course). There are several corps dedicated to teaching new players the ropes (Eve University being the most famous) but lots of other corps will take in a new player too if you're willing to learn.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:25:00 -
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Well you sorta have to know what you enjoy doing.
You can train for everything but it takes a long time.
Pick 1 or 2 aspects that interest you, and pursue them.
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Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:53:00 -
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If you enjoy mining and selling your wares in other games then there isn't any reason not to do it in EVE. Sure some people get bored of it eventually, but in many cases it was simply because they always planned to stop and go PvP, and were using the time spent mining to make money and learn skills.
But there are people out there who love doing it, and continue up the various skill paths and get further and further into the industry area. Most of these people have never been involved in PvP at all. Accepting that PvP can happen in EVE is required, but you don't have any reason to get involved (as long as we aren't talking about the broader sense of PvP in EVE such as the market, but sticking to combat) and just using your brain a little means that you are unlikely to ever get shot at when you don't want to be.
The best advice I can give you is to join a corporation like EVE University. EVE is painfully difficult to get into when your playing solo, and corps like EVE University supply the people to talk to and work with, but also people who spend most of their time helping new players and are willing to answer silly questions.
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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Estel Arador
The best way probably is to find a corp you like, join it, and simply watch & learn (while participating and chatting, of course). There are several corps dedicated to teaching new players the ropes (Eve University being the most famous) but lots of other corps will take in a new player too if you're willing to learn.
I would recommend Eve-Uni, I was feeling very much the same and joining Eve-Uni has really helped me a lot.
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Tolatha
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:13:00 -
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Isn't Eve Uni a starting NPC Corporation?
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Stavudin Valaciclovir
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tolatha
Isn't Eve Uni a starting NPC Corporation?
no, it's a player run corporation dedicated to helpijng new players find their way.
i'm pretty sure you will find some of them in the recruitment channel which is allready saved in your channel list.
you can find the channel list in the menu on the left side of the screen.
open it, go to channels and then you will find recruitment under corporate, simply press join and good luck in eve
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Garr Anders
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:29:00 -
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quote=Tolatha]Isn't Eve Uni a starting NPC Corporation?
You'll find more information in here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=521860
Also we have a public channel where you can join and start asking questions right away about the game, missions, ship setups, applying to the uni or anything else game related, the channel name is: Eve University
Garr Anders - Minmatar
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AmarrCitizen040606
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Garr Anders
quote=Tolatha]Isn't Eve Uni a starting NPC Corporation?
You'll find more information in here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=521860
Also we have a public channel where you can join and start asking questions right away about the game, missions, ship setups, applying to the uni or anything else game related, the channel name is: Eve University
next lecture will be: 'quoting 101'
sorry garr, couldn't resist the urge
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Ogodei Ra
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:42:00 -
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You need to join an established corp. A corp thats actually doing something.
Check the corp recruitment forum here. Lots of corps looking for all kinds of players. Some are pure mining and industrial. Some are pure pvp. Some are both. I was just looking at a corps recruitment post for a big pvp corp that also had an entire mining and manufacturing part of the corp that they were recruiting for.
You might find it exciting to be a miner and manufacturer for a pvp corp in 0.0. You get to mine in 0.0 and you have all their pvp'ers there to protect you. You do the stuff you like with other people like you, and the pvp side does the pvp. You get the bonus of knowing that you are helping everyone in the corp.
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Tolatha
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:49:00 -
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Thanks I'll take a look, sounds very interesting and helpful. Something I could find very beneficial. You say you take students on once they have taken the tutorials the follow up missions, do you freely take on students all the time or only in recruitment phases.
Thanks for all your help so far. 
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lacretia
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:51:00 -
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I will throw in a recommendation as well.
One of the main difference between EvE and other games is that there are no set paths. There is no "level" to achieve, and there is no guildmaster to constantly give you your next set of goals/quests. Sure, eve has missions, but they are a career path, not a game path.
With that in mind, I propose this as the most important thing a new player (or an old one) can do to get immersed in the game is to simply make a list of goals.
Did you see a ship that you would love to fly? Set a plan to skill up for that ship. Work on a plan to afford it. Find the areas where you can buy it for the cheapest.
Do you want to take part in huge fleet battles? Look for a corp based out of 0.0, or an alliance. Check out the recruitment thread on this website for help with that.
More simply, do you want to earn isk? Set a isk goal, say 100 mil to start. Do what you have to do to make that first 100mil. Then make it 500mil! Or a billion! Constantly strive towards that goal.
Do you want to run missions? Then immerse yourself in them, learn the most efficient ways to run them.
Do you want to run your own corporation? What type? Pvp, industrial, merc? Where do you want it? How are you going to recruit members?
Bottom line. Set clearly defined goals, they dont have to be massive "I want to be teh uber pilotz in de gameroxxors!" goals. Just small measurable goals.
Notice how I said measurable? Saying "My goal is to have fun." is noble, and awesome...but how do you plan on having that fun? Staring at your ship in its hanger and flipping it in circles?
When I started EvE my first goal was to fly a battlecruiser. I just thought that sounded like the coolest thing in the world. So, I worked my tail off mining and ratting for my corp and soon thereafter they built me one! My first Ferox!
Every time I log into eve I have a goal. It may be as simple as "change a skill" or "make 20mil isk" or as complex trying to figure out how to work the onboard scanner or going on a deep raid into enemy territory.
Set goals. Start small, work big. Enjoy the ride.
Oh...and be willing to change your goals as you learn more. Your desire to fly that sweet looking megathron may be overridden by your newfound wisdom that you lack the desire to PvP and would rather learn to build ships.
Have fun setting >your< in game goals!
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Stavudin Valaciclovir
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: lacretia
I will throw in a recommendation as well.
One of the main difference between EvE and other games is that there are no set paths. There is no "level" to achieve, and there is no guildmaster to constantly give you your next set of goals/quests. Sure, eve has missions, but they are a career path, not a game path.
With that in mind, I propose this as the most important thing a new player (or an old one) can do to get immersed in the game is to simply make a list of goals.
Did you see a ship that you would love to fly? Set a plan to skill up for that ship. Work on a plan to afford it. Find the areas where you can buy it for the cheapest.
Do you want to take part in huge fleet battles? Look for a corp based out of 0.0, or an alliance. Check out the recruitment thread on this website for help with that.
More simply, do you want to earn isk? Set a isk goal, say 100 mil to start. Do what you have to do to make that first 100mil. Then make it 500mil! Or a billion! Constantly strive towards that goal.
Do you want to run missions? Then immerse yourself in them, learn the most efficient ways to run them.
Do you want to run your own corporation? What type? Pvp, industrial, merc? Where do you want it? How are you going to recruit members?
Bottom line. Set clearly defined goals, they dont have to be massive "I want to be teh uber pilotz in de gameroxxors!" goals. Just small measurable goals.
Notice how I said measurable? Saying "My goal is to have fun." is noble, and awesome...but how do you plan on having that fun? Staring at your ship in its hanger and flipping it in circles?
When I started EvE my first goal was to fly a battlecruiser. I just thought that sounded like the coolest thing in the world. So, I worked my tail off mining and ratting for my corp and soon thereafter they built me one! My first Ferox!
Every time I log into eve I have a goal. It may be as simple as "change a skill" or "make 20mil isk" or as complex trying to figure out how to work the onboard scanner or going on a deep raid into enemy territory.
Set goals. Start small, work big. Enjoy the ride.
Oh...and be willing to change your goals as you learn more. Your desire to fly that sweet looking megathron may be overridden by your newfound wisdom that you lack the desire to PvP and would rather learn to build ships.
Have fun setting >your< in game goals!
if there was a box for EVE this should be printed on it
damn good post
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: lacretia
I will throw in a recommendation as well.
One of the main difference between EvE and other games is that there are no set paths. There is no "level" to achieve, and there is no guildmaster to constantly give you your next set of goals/quests. Sure, eve has missions, but they are a career path, not a game path.
With that in mind, I propose this as the most important thing a new player (or an old one) can do to get immersed in the game is to simply make a list of goals.
Did you see a ship that you would love to fly? Set a plan to skill up for that ship. Work on a plan to afford it. Find the areas where you can buy it for the cheapest.
Do you want to take part in huge fleet battles? Look for a corp based out of 0.0, or an alliance. Check out the recruitment thread on this website for help with that.
More simply, do you want to earn isk? Set a isk goal, say 100 mil to start. Do what you have to do to make that first 100mil. Then make it 500mil! Or a billion! Constantly strive towards that goal.
Do you want to run missions? Then immerse yourself in them, learn the most efficient ways to run them.
Do you want to run your own corporation? What type? Pvp, industrial, merc? Where do you want it? How are you going to recruit members?
Bottom line. Set clearly defined goals, they dont have to be massive "I want to be teh uber pilotz in de gameroxxors!" goals. Just small measurable goals.
Notice how I said measurable? Saying "My goal is to have fun." is noble, and awesome...but how do you plan on having that fun? Staring at your ship in its hanger and flipping it in circles?
When I started EvE my first goal was to fly a battlecruiser. I just thought that sounded like the coolest thing in the world. So, I worked my tail off mining and ratting for my corp and soon thereafter they built me one! My first Ferox!
Every time I log into eve I have a goal. It may be as simple as "change a skill" or "make 20mil isk" or as complex trying to figure out how to work the onboard scanner or going on a deep raid into enemy territory.
Set goals. Start small, work big. Enjoy the ride.
Oh...and be willing to change your goals as you learn more. Your desire to fly that sweet looking megathron may be overridden by your newfound wisdom that you lack the desire to PvP and would rather learn to build ships.
Have fun setting >your< in game goals!
WOW, THAT is insightful and useful, thanks a lot.
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tolatha
Thanks I'll take a look, sounds very interesting and helpful. Something I could find very beneficial. You say you take students on once they have taken the tutorials the follow up missions, do you freely take on students all the time or only in recruitment phases.
Thanks for all your help so far.
Eve University is recruiting all of the time. Sometimes we do close recruitment during times of war, though, because the first experience of a newly accepted member should not be undocking into a hostile battle group on his own and getting blown to pieces.
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Pal'Mar Torra
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Pal''Mar Torra on 24/10/2007 15:40:49
Thanks for all the help, I've joined the EVE Uni channel, I'm currently doing the agent missions.
Help and advice as been appriated.
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Saitan Mar
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:43:00 -
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I'm using the character of Saitan Mar by the way, so people don't get confussed when I refer back to this topic 
Starting a new character from scratch with a true goal.
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lacretia
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:36:00 -
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Before you scrap your first character keep in mind that EvE, unlike other games, can be quite forgiving of career paths.
I say this in that any character can change its stripes at any moment to take on any goal or challenge. So you trained for a while to fly a combat ship, now you want to fly a miner? Well, then just change your skills! You dont have to kill the char completely.
So, before you possibly waste the skillpoints you have already accumulated just make sure you realize that there is little to nothing preventing your current character from fulfilling any goal.
For example: I currently run two characters. One is in a 0.0 alliance, a jack of all trades character that is moderately good at everything, but not a whizbang at anything.
I also run a character that I started because I wanted to learn to PvP better. It was supposed to be a throwaway pirate character that I just went apepatootie on and killed everything in site for the singular purpose of learning how to handle myself in a fight. I did that...and have realized that I want this char to do other things. So, my current goal is to grind away the sins (negative sec status) in order to do other things. Specifically, I want him to be an instructor/member of eve university at some point. But...I am not overly sure they are amicable to neg sec people...(namely because I cant fly above .8 systems without concord reposessing my ship through brute force and anti-matter).
Does my goal change mean I scrap the char? No, it means I set a goal to bring his security back up to neutral, head for EveU, and try to become an instructor.
In >real< truth, that challenge makes it even more fun that going "oh well...roll-over" and starting fresh.
Keep this in mind.
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KerraLyn
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: lacretia
but how do you plan on having that fun? Staring at your ship in its hanger and flipping it in circles?
You can DO THAT??!!!
Lol j/k. Good all around advice. Just what I was looking to see even though I'm not a long term goal oriented person. I just had to get out of my noob ship... then I just HAD to buy a Merlin, then buy toys for it... etc. I got 7 days on the trial left and still running into obstacles - my own and game bugs/omissions. Perhaps a corp is what I need to get more immersion.
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Vele Nori
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:39:00 -
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Don't rush things. It will take you about 3 months of active playing to stop being thoroughly confused and about 2 months more to stop being somewhat confused. Players reach vet status when they near about 1 years of active playing. So if it seems overwhelming at first, it really should be.
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Jaiell
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Posted - 2007.10.29 00:04:00 -
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One thing I would work on first is to get all the "learnig" skills up to aleast lvl 4. Takes a while and is boring coz you dont get to use new toys but in the end you will learn everything else so much quicker.
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Rhovinian
Minmatar
Wasted Talent
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Posted - 2007.10.29 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tolatha
Hello,
EVE Online as fasinated me for sometime now but I've always struggled to truelly get into the game. Firstly is how deep the game is, which is a great quality but can be truelly overwhelming for new players. I've tried to get into EVE Online once in the past but I was lost in what skills to learn and such. These threads are on here everyday but I would like some advice from experienced players who may have been in the same seat as I am.
Advice on how to get into EVE, from experience players who also struggled to first get into EVE. EVE as always amazed me, especially corporations and wars, one of the issues I have with getting into EVE is that I've never been totally sure what I wanted to do in the Universe. I always enjoyed mining and sellin my wears in past games but it always seems everyone does that, gets bored then goes fightin in PVP. To be fair I've never been deep into PVP but I guess you HAVE to get use to it in EVE if you wish to survive in EVE's universe.
If anyone could give some early advice on a good path to truelly get involved in EVE Online I would appriate it, thanks!
Sorry not experienced at Eve as you are looking for, but in a similar situation.
You half answer your own question - the full depth and breadth is accessed by coordinated corporate activities in 0.0. Does it mean you HAVE to PvP? For myself I believe it will mean that. But not necessarily for everyone. It does mean you have to be READY for PvP. There are plenty of 0.0 corps that will allow you to focus on industrial aspects but not as a carebear, you will need to back up their security (any nonPvP specialty can tackle and the ship is usually provided and replaced by corp) and you will need to stand for yourself when needed (can't always run and never complain about having been targetted).
While I think the high sec industrials are fine and sufficient for some people, it sounds like you are like me and it would only be another step as it will not sufficiently provide the depth of experience you would want and only 0.0 corps will provide the long term rewards you are seeking from playing.
Sorry again for not being an experienced response but you are considering things I have been thinking about and I did not come here expecting to get into PvP. But I had the realizations above plus the realization that the PvP here is attractive in ways that can't be touched by any other current game out there. It has updated touches on the way PvP used to be pre-2000 which was fun. The only game that looks like it will be close if they pull it off is Conan.
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