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Beer Mistress
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:45:00 -
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Ok, have a couple carebears sitting on another account, and this is my first toon that I want to try my hand at PvP on. With that said, went Minny, and did all the intro warfare and adv war missions. I would like to start raising faction with the Pirate factions. How would I go about doing that? |
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:53:00 -
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No idea, but if you ever want a buddy to go looking for fights in low sec, drop me a mail, 2 is better than 1 
Still new and still learning though.
http://roxwar.blogspot.com/ |
gfldex
295
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:02:00 -
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Beer Mistress wrote:I would like to start raising faction with the Pirate factions. How would I go about doing that?
You pick a pirate faction, find the region they have stations in and start running mission there. How that is related to PvP is beyond me thought.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Chiana Moro
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:18:00 -
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As you created a Minmatar character and might be looking for PvP and are looking for a pirate faction agent, there is one lowend one here:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Auner
Say hello from me and tell him I didn't complete the last mission he gave me as I am otherwise occupied.
It was the area I started out in back in the day. First pvp kill happened in the system next door.
As said above, pirate missions has nothing to do with PvP though. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
63
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:31:00 -
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Maybe you would like to work on pirate player corp standings instead of NPC? Set destination to somewhere in lowsec and get your rifter out there. You will probably die pretty soon, maybe long before reaching destination system but when it happens (and it will happen sooner than later) talk to a guy how killed your ship and probably podded you. If he is not a complete a*shole he will give you some pointers regarding pvp (useful skills, example of fit he tried and it works, how to avoid getting killed, etc.).
Just don't go emo about your lost ship, nobody likes that. Ask the guy if you can add him to your contacts and ask him some questions in the future. Usually he will agree and voila! you just improved your standings with a PLAYER pirate not some line of Eve code :)
You don't know where to go to meet such great people? Hevrice is a home of Tuskers (bunch of bloodthirsty piwates but very cool at the same time) or come visit R1FTA in Heild. And between those two points in space and all around them there a many very cool ppl that will talk to you after exploding your ship :)
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:09:00 -
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First of all, running any type of mission (either faction or pirate NPC corps) has nothing to do with PvP. It's all PvE (or PvRC - Player vs Red Crosses).
If you are wanting do to some PvP in general, RvB alliances are a nice start, they are newb friendly and can give you some tips and tricks in PvP.
If you want Pirate PvP, I do suggest to stop thinking Pirate NPC means being a pirate. Being a pirate means you hang around low-sec (or sometimes even high-sec) and shoot other players. Best way to get involved into that, fly to low-sec and find some other pirates (usually you will get killed by them in this progress). After you found them, contact one of them to see if they are wanting to help you and maybe let you join them.
JP
J'Poll
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Nisa Darksoul
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:38:00 -
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get carebear alt to give you 40 million isk
spend 40 million isk on ~20 T1 fitted rifters, 10 if you want rigs.
Go ANYWHERE in lowsec (the guys in lamadent are nice enough)
Lose a few rifters, talk to the people who killed you. Make friends.
Congratz, you are now on your way to becoming a pirate.
TL;DR if you have carebear alts, you have enough money to dedicate a char to solely PvP, don't worry about grinding pirate standing or any of that ****, go out and interact with people. |
Maia Demoncast
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:45:00 -
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The best way would be to join a PvP corp that does the kind of pvp you are interested in, be it low sec piracy, 0.0 fleet battles, wormholes, wardecs or whatever.
As an absolute beginner start maybe you should join Red vs Blue or go out by yourself in a cheap rifter. |
Khorkrak
War Tribe
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:06:00 -
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There's no need to go to low sec right away to learn to PVP well. I've doing bait and gank shenanigans with mission runners in high sec because it's easy PVP and decent ISK. It's a low risk way to get the hang of taking out various types ships solo along with finding out what really does work sans losing a bunch of ships. The next step would be to join a corp to participate in war decs and / or roams in low / null sec and find out what sort of PVP related roles you enjoy playing.
I've played a long time but have always had trouble with doing well in 1v1 PVP. Read up on tactics and fittings further and I've been doing much better since. Next step will be war decs and once I get enough like minded pilots into the corp, Low sec and null sec roams will follow. The latter is what I enjoyed most about being in a null sec corp years ago and now that I've farmed plenty of ISK since then I'm hoping to share that experience with newer players, helping them replace their ships etc and not worry too much about losses.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:15:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:There's no need to go to low sec right away to learn to PVP well. I've doing bait and gank shenanigans with mission runners in high sec because it's easy PVP and decent ISK. It's a low risk way to get the hang of taking out various types ships solo along with finding out what really does work sans losing a bunch of ships.
Protip: this is a horrible way to learn how to pvp. If you want to learn how to gank defenseless mission runners, have at.
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
In Vitro.
284
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:41:00 -
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Listen to KrakizBad, he speaks the truth. I took an unrigged armour 'cane against a mission Raven. That raven didn't even get me to 25% shields. Didn't mean it was a good 'cane fit or that I knew what I was doing. Running around lowsec taught me a hell of a lot more than I would ever have learnt against high-sec war targets.
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Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:31:00 -
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Make it a bit easier on yourself:
1. Get your rifter skills perfect without being expensive before you leave high sec.
2. Choose your pirate faction.
3. Try to find/join a corp that works in the area you need.
4. Join them for many roams and learn from them.
5. See who else is using that group to mission with and get some buddies to keep you relatively safe while you add standings or even better tag along with them and get the standings faster. |
Liam Mirren
196
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:44:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Khorkrak wrote:There's no need to go to low sec right away to learn to PVP well. I've doing bait and gank shenanigans with mission runners in high sec because it's easy PVP and decent ISK. It's a low risk way to get the hang of taking out various types ships solo along with finding out what really does work sans losing a bunch of ships. Protip: this is a horrible way to learn how to pvp. If you want to learn how to gank defenseless mission runners, have at.
Not at all, it's a decent way to ease into it all, getting used to learning about game mechanics and all that against easy targets while making some isk on the side. It's like using training wheels while being paid for it, win win.
True piracy isn't about high quality pvp, it's about picking targets that net you the most income for low risk. What most people call piracy is "just" PVP.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
92
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Posted - 2012.01.28 09:11:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:There's no need to go to low sec right away to learn to PVP well. I've doing bait and gank shenanigans with mission runners in high sec because it's easy PVP and decent ISK. It's a low risk way to get the hang of taking out various types ships solo along with finding out what really does work sans losing a bunch of ships. The next step would be to join a corp to participate in war decs and / or roams in low / null sec and find out what sort of PVP related roles you enjoy playing.
I've played a long time but have always had trouble with doing well in 1v1 PVP. Read up on tactics and fittings further and I've been doing much better since. Next step will be war decs and once I get enough like minded pilots into the corp, Low sec and null sec roams will follow. The latter is what I enjoyed most about being in a null sec corp years ago and now that I've farmed plenty of ISK since then I'm hoping to share that experience with newer players, helping them replace their ships etc and not worry too much about losses.
That is not PvP, that is PvAFK-pilot. There is absolutely no honour, or even anything that could be considered PvP in something like high-sec suicide ganking (and usually same counts for high-sec wars).
All of the people who are doing it, suck at actual PvP and can only attack undefended people who aren't ready for it.
J'Poll
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Liam Mirren
196
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:20:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:That is not PvP, that is PvAFK-pilot. There is absolutely no honour, or even anything that could be considered PvP in something like high-sec suicide ganking (and usually same counts for high-sec wars).
All of the people who are doing it, suck at actual PvP and can only attack undefended people who aren't ready for it.
Looking at your KB stats (I know I know), I don't think you get to state who sucks at PVP and who doesn't, and for what reason.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
92
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:43:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:J'Poll wrote:That is not PvP, that is PvAFK-pilot. There is absolutely no honour, or even anything that could be considered PvP in something like high-sec suicide ganking (and usually same counts for high-sec wars).
All of the people who are doing it, suck at actual PvP and can only attack undefended people who aren't ready for it. Looking at your KB stats (I know I know), I don't think you get to state who sucks at PVP and who doesn't, and for what reason.
Maybe cause I use a seperate toon to PvP with and this is just my industry toon
J'Poll
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Liam Mirren
196
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Posted - 2012.01.28 17:56:00 -
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Possible but then I look at your corp info, see you're a recruiter, read the corp rules on your website and come to the conclusion that no, it probably isn't the case.
Thing is, simply dismissing someone's capabilities purely on the type of PVP/things he likes to do in EVE is dangerous (and quite possibly wrong). Just as I did with you in this post, on purpose, to explain it. Just because someone chooses a specific type of PVP doesn't mean he can't be any good at EVE or PVP, perhaps he just doesn't like to be in big corps and alliances and chooses to stay solo to make some isk with his combat actions.
In short; your earlier post is condescending, biased and wrong.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Maia Demoncast
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:17:00 -
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I am going to give some different advice.
If you want to learn how to pvp focus on training for a battlecruiser of your choice (Hurricane, drake or harbinger are good choices). And try to join a pvp corporation with some decent killboard activity in your timezone. I don't think it reallly matters if its piracy, wardecs or 0.0 pvp.
You can always do the rifter thing or killing mission runners whenever you want, but focus on finding a decent corp as a top priority. |
Valentyn3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:50:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Khorkrak wrote:There's no need to go to low sec right away to learn to PVP well. I've doing bait and gank shenanigans with mission runners in high sec because it's easy PVP and decent ISK. It's a low risk way to get the hang of taking out various types ships solo along with finding out what really does work sans losing a bunch of ships. Protip: this is a horrible way to learn how to pvp. If you want to learn how to gank defenseless mission runners, have at. Not at all, it's a decent way to ease into it all, getting used to learning about game mechanics and all that against easy targets while making some isk on the side. It's like using training wheels while being paid for it, win win. True piracy isn't about high quality pvp, it's about picking targets that net you the most income for low risk. What most people call piracy is "just" PVP.
To be fair, blowing up someone stupid enough to grab a can labeled "Free Ammo!!!" is piracy, but it won't prepare you much for fighting someone who knows what they are doing.
"Absolutely no jabs or fast punches of any kind. Jabbers can not be on our team." |
Liam Mirren
196
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Posted - 2012.01.29 00:51:00 -
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Well, the only ones falling for that will be newbies and the chance of a newbie flying something expensive is fairly low, so it's probably not a good way to make isk with combat, meaning it's not piracy at all. Shooting/baiting/tricking someone and killing him someone for the sake of the killmail or tears is not piracy.
Can flipping some hulk and ransoming (or killing for the loot) when he attacks you is piracy
Ninja salvaging with a ship on backup, intentionally trying to get aggressed and then picking up the other ship, for the loot or for the nice ransom on that CNR, is piracy
Wardeccing a corp and after a while contacting the CEO and stating that if he pays you x00 mil isk you'll then "go away" is piracy
Shooting someone in a gate camp in low sec, just for the sake of it, is not piracy.
killing a newbie flying a rail ferox in low sec isn't piracy
There's ofcourse nothing wrong with either of those things but it's not piracy, it's PVP. WHERE you are doesn't decide whether or not you are a pirate, it's about your actions and intentions. There's a ton more piracy going on in high sec than there ever will be in low sec, partially because there's (sadly) more people in high sec but mostly because... that's where the expensive targets fly. The fox goes where the sheep are.
Baiting a mission runner into shooting you, switching ship and then killing/ransoming him takes more effort and knowledge of game mechanics than sitting at a gate in low sec in your BC hoping to catch a hauler. People have this weird idea that because someone does his stuff in high sec that this means he doesn't know what he's doing, the simple truth is that he has to deal with a lot more game mechanics and, because systems tend to have tons of people in them, you don't necessarily know what's going to happen. Compared to that, gate camping with an alt on the other side is pretty much easy as F.
Ofcourse, not saying that all low sec is like that and that no one in low sec is a true pirate but just want it to be known that being a pirate has nothing to do with where you are or what your sec status is.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
malaire
196
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:09:00 -
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Maia Demoncast wrote:The best way would be to join a PvP corp that does the kind of pvp you are interested in, be it low sec piracy, 0.0 fleet battles, wormholes, wardecs or whatever.
As an absolute beginner start maybe you should join Red vs Blue or go out by yourself in a cheap rifter.
I want to mention RvB again. They are quite active and offer a lot of PvP. More information can be found on their forums Red Vs. Blue. Killboards are Blue and Red.
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Chal0ner
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2012.01.30 11:22:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:[quote=Khorkrak]
All of the people who are doing it, suck at actual PvP and can only attack undefended people who aren't ready for it.
Of course I know of people who have excellent PvP records and indulge in suicide ganking from time to time. In fact they are even in my corp.
So, you're wrong.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
323
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:50:00 -
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Chal0ner wrote:J'Poll wrote:[quote=Khorkrak]
All of the people who are doing it, suck at actual PvP and can only attack undefended people who aren't ready for it. Of course I know of people who have excellent PvP records and indulge in suicide ganking from time to time. In fact they are even in my corp. So, you're wrong.
None of them think ganking is pvp.
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foxnod
BOAE INC
GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:21:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Khorkrak wrote:There's no need to go to low sec right away to learn to PVP well. I've doing bait and gank shenanigans with mission runners in high sec because it's easy PVP and decent ISK. It's a low risk way to get the hang of taking out various types ships solo along with finding out what really does work sans losing a bunch of ships. Protip: this is a horrible way to learn how to pvp. If you want to learn how to gank defenseless mission runners, have at.
But it's good for the tears and money. |
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