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Kevin Mi7nick	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:01:00 - [1] PLEASE oh please rethink your changes on SISI. Your limiting the amount of drones the EOS can field at one time... OK Your removing two turret slots from the ship... WTF!?!?! Im sure there are plenty of people out there thinking 'CCP WTF' Sure the ship was overpowered compared to other ships from other races in its class. But you have just killed this ship into the ground. I agree with the drones bandwidth, but if your gunna remove turret slots from the ship, you should be reducing its drones bandwidth from a theoretical current of 125mbit to 100mbit. Its a Gallente drone boat after all, your basically going to look at your decision in 6 months and say hmmm we need to rebalance the eos back up a bit LOL
Pure Murder	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:14:00 - [2] Cry moar.
Anini	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:18:00 - [3] Or force you to use the drone boat as it was intended...field multiple drones of varying types, not just big fat orge II's. Adapt my friend, use mediums, hell pack the damn thing full of lights and just send wave after wave. If they are busy killing off all your light drones what are they not doing? Attacking you! So, now, they must choose, attack you or attack the drones. Don't fly solo and this won't hurt you. Just a thought
Hozac	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:23:00 - [4] repeat after me... fleet command ship
Civil Blood Minmatar The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Hozac repeat after me... fleet command ship repeat after me: ITS A DRONE SHIP, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE 5X HEAVY DRONES LIKE THE ISHTAR.
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Anini Or force you to use the drone boat as it was intended...field multiple drones of varying types, not just big fat orge II's. Adapt my friend, use mediums, hell pack the damn thing full of lights and just send wave after wave. If they are busy killing off all your light drones what are they not doing? Attacking you! So, now, they must choose, attack you or attack the drones. Don't fly solo and this won't hurt you. Just a thought so basically your saying you must play the way we want you to. Doing something different? NERF! CCP's making every ship a tiny little niche instead of allowing for overall fun.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Civil Blood Originally by: Hozac repeat after me... fleet command ship repeat after me: ITS A DRONE SHIP, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE 5X HEAVY DRONES LIKE THE ISHTAR. Just like an Absolution is a turret ship, and should therefore be able to use 8 x Mega Pulse Lasers like an Abaddon?
Kevin Mi7nick	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Civil Blood Originally by: Hozac repeat after me... fleet command ship repeat after me: ITS A DRONE SHIP, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE 5X HEAVY DRONES LIKE THE ISHTAR. Just like an Absolution is a turret ship, and should therefore be able to use 8 x Mega Pulse Lasers like an Abaddon? The question here is: Should it be able to field 5 heavy drones with no dmg bonus and only use 5 turrets? OR field 75mbit of drones with 6-7 turrets. Hell why not just make it 50mbit with drone dmg bonus in line with other ships (10% dmg etc) and flick the drone bay amount bonus.... it would make more sense.
MyOwnSling Gallente RONA Corporation FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Civil Blood Originally by: Hozac repeat after me... fleet command ship repeat after me: ITS A DRONE SHIP, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE 5X HEAVY DRONES LIKE THE ISHTAR. Just like an Absolution is a turret ship, and should therefore be able to use 8 x Mega Pulse Lasers like an Abaddon? The increase to heavy drones from medium is not comparable to the increase from medium lasers to large, the dps gap is significantly larger. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
Leya Marcsson	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Civil Blood Originally by: Hozac repeat after me... fleet command ship repeat after me: ITS A DRONE SHIP, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE 5X HEAVY DRONES LIKE THE ISHTAR. it is a cruiser it should'nt use heavy drones at all.

Kevin Mi7nick	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Civil Blood Originally by: Hozac repeat after me... fleet command ship repeat after me: ITS A DRONE SHIP, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE 5X HEAVY DRONES LIKE THE ISHTAR. Just like an Absolution is a turret ship, and should therefore be able to use 8 x Mega Pulse Lasers like an Abaddon? And dood your sig is lame. Its knocking the very thing you have achieved in this thread... your awesome!
Kevin Mi7nick	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Leya Marcsson Originally by: Civil Blood Originally by: Hozac repeat after me... fleet command ship repeat after me: ITS A DRONE SHIP, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE 5X HEAVY DRONES LIKE THE ISHTAR. it is a cruiser it should'nt use heavy drones at all. Its a drone cruiser. It should be using heavy drones period. To add to that, the dmg you get from the ishtars 3 turret slots is laughable so its not like it will EVER put out dmg like a gank myrm.
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:12:00 - [13] Well, it is in line with the other fleet commands now. Some may argue that information warfare links are far less useful, and they're probably right, but that's not really a problem with the Eos. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Kevin Mi7nick And dood your sig is lame. Its knocking the very thing you have achieved in this thread... your awesome! My sig is anti-analogy-between-a-related-ship-role-that-implicates-that-the-logic-in-the-post-above -me-is-flawed-in-some-regards-because-it's-a-comparison-between-two-entirely-different -ship-classes-with-differing-bonuses-and-designs? Because if not, I don't think your reading comprehension is quite up to par.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:35:00 - [15] Why not just remove the Eos's turret damage bonus, give it back it's 7x turrets, add a drone damage bonus like the Ishtar/Dominix (10% HP/damage per level), and give it a 375m3 drone bay? Then, reduce it's grid a bit so that you can't fit a dual rep 7x neutron II fit, so only a single rep 7x neutron II fit or dual rep 7x ion II fit will work. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Cybrex Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:55:00 - [16] Edited by: Cybrex on 25/10/2007 06:56:42 point is that gallente should be high dmg close range. atm EOS has worst dmg , worst tank of all other fleet command ships. could use a bit more considering how to balance it. just removing all dmg isnt the solution atleast give it nice tank then. damnation can tank over 700 dps eos cant do that only with faction
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Cybrex Edited by: Cybrex on 25/10/2007 06:56:42 point is that gallente should be high dmg close range. atm EOS has worst dmg , worst tank of all other fleet command ships. could use a bit more considering how to balance it. just removing all dmg isnt the solution atleast give it nice tank then. damnation can tank over 700 dps eos cant do that only with faction EOS can tank 650dps with T2 tank and T1 rigs.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer EOS can tank 650dps with T2 tank and T1 rigs. And that's a complete joke of a tank compared to vulture, claymore and damnation. Especially when you put it in the gang situation where it's supposed to be used. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Kevin Mi7nick	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Cybrex Edited by: Cybrex on 25/10/2007 06:56:42 point is that gallente should be high dmg close range. atm EOS has worst dmg , worst tank of all other fleet command ships. could use a bit more considering how to balance it. just removing all dmg isnt the solution atleast give it nice tank then. damnation can tank over 700 dps eos cant do that only with faction EOS damage worst? I dont think so. But after nerf, with range limits of blasters dont be surprised if it isnt considered the worst Fleet Command Ship out of the bunch. Add onto that the fact its drones (which it relies on for its damage) will be destroyable, take time to reach the target, and now arent scoopable/redeployable. Show me how I can shoot the guns on your Claymore directly and remove your dps? And dont even get me started on tanks, a Claymore tank with XL Shield booster is insane on a claymore. This whole thing stinks tbfh. I understand the ship is overpowered, but pis*ing all over it with a nerf is going to create more issues down track. CCP: I really hope you are reading this! Make your bonus's uniform accross the race! Ishkur-Vexor-Ishtar-Eos-Domi - They are all drone boats? They should 'ALL HAVE THE SAME BONUS' but all have applicable drone bandwidth. Am I wrong?
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:51:00 - [20] There's a fundamental clash between the Gallente philosophy of big close-range DPS and good solo capability, and the Fleet Command role of low DPS, gang support and big tank. So it shouldn't be a surprise that a "balanced" Eos isn't very good. The racial gang mods things could do with a look though, the Galente and Caldari (info war and shield) are a bit subpar really. Whining about the removal of two turrets is absurd, though. It's a Fleet Command, fitting 3 ganglinks should be compulsory. If you don't want to, that's why the Field Commands exist.

Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:55:00 - [21] Claymore should have 7 turrets and a double damage bonus. -
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:56:00 - [22] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer EOS can tank 650dps with T2 tank and T1 rigs. And that's a complete joke of a tank compared to vulture, claymore and damnation. Especially when you put it in the gang situation where it's supposed to be used. So? The damnations tank is like 100dps more. Amarr is supposed to tank better. Cry more. You want the same tank as amarr? Sure lets give all your ships the same tank, but also give amarr same drone bay size and same close range dps. Im in for that, I dont think you are...
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Kevin Mi7nick Edited by: Kevin Mi7nick on 25/10/2007 07:47:18 Originally by: Cybrex Edited by: Cybrex on 25/10/2007 06:56:42 point is that gallente should be high dmg close range. atm EOS has worst dmg , worst tank of all other fleet command ships. could use a bit more considering how to balance it. just removing all dmg isnt the solution atleast give it nice tank then. damnation can tank over 700 dps eos cant do that only with faction EOS damage worst? I dont think so. But after nerf, with range limits of blasters dont be surprised if it isnt considered the worst Fleet Command Ship out of the bunch. Add onto that the fact its drones (which it relies on for its damage) will be destroyable, take time to reach the target, and now arent scoopable/redeployable. Show me how I can shoot the guns on your Claymore directly and remove your dps? And dont even get me started on tanks, a Claymore tank with XL Shield booster is insane on a claymore. This whole thing stinks tbfh. I understand the ship is overpowered, but pis*ing all over it with a nerf is going to create more issues down track. CCP: I really hope you are reading this! Make your bonus's uniform accross the race! Ishkur-Vexor-Ishtar-Myrm-Eos-Domi - They are all drone boats? They should 'ALL HAVE THE SAME BONUS' but all have applicable drone bandwidth. Am I wrong? And finally your race gets a ship that doesnt run over every other ship in its class. Welcome down to earth.
Kevin Mi7nick	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Kevin Mi7nick Edited by: Kevin Mi7nick on 25/10/2007 07:47:18 Originally by: Cybrex Edited by: Cybrex on 25/10/2007 06:56:42 point is that gallente should be high dmg close range. atm EOS has worst dmg , worst tank of all other fleet command ships. could use a bit more considering how to balance it. just removing all dmg isnt the solution atleast give it nice tank then. damnation can tank over 700 dps eos cant do that only with faction EOS damage worst? I dont think so. But after nerf, with range limits of blasters dont be surprised if it isnt considered the worst Fleet Command Ship out of the bunch. Add onto that the fact its drones (which it relies on for its damage) will be destroyable, take time to reach the target, and now arent scoopable/redeployable. Show me how I can shoot the guns on your Claymore directly and remove your dps? And dont even get me started on tanks, a Claymore tank with XL Shield booster is insane on a claymore. This whole thing stinks tbfh. I understand the ship is overpowered, but pis*ing all over it with a nerf is going to create more issues down track. CCP: I really hope you are reading this! Make your bonus's uniform accross the race! Ishkur-Vexor-Ishtar-Myrm-Eos-Domi - They are all drone boats? They should 'ALL HAVE THE SAME BONUS' but all have applicable drone bandwidth. Am I wrong? And finally your race gets a ship that doesnt run over every other ship in its class. Welcome down to earth. Im interested in you justifying your comments. What would you consider to be? Best T1 Cruiser? Best Hac? Best Recon? Best Battlecruiser? Best Command? Best Battleship? While I will not defend Gallente will fill some of those roles of best in their class, im not saying the EOS should be best in its class. Im saying dont nerf it into the dust.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer EOS can tank 650dps with T2 tank and T1 rigs. And that's a complete joke of a tank compared to vulture, claymore and damnation. Especially when you put it in the gang situation where it's supposed to be used. So? The damnations tank is like 100dps more. Amarr is supposed to tank better. Cry more. You want the same tank as amarr? Sure lets give all your ships the same tank, but also give amarr same drone bay size and same close range dps. Im in for that, I dont think you are... If you are flying in a gang, the possible sustainable DPS is not all that matters. In fact, that doesn't matter the most. The damnation and vulture have much much higher HP tanks. These ships, especially the damnation, can easily be kept alive through remote repping. The Claymore can tank very high burst damage (coupled with a "low" sig radius). But it's also got the (prefered) option of speedtanking. While the Eos just dies. If you are part of a big gang running 3 gang links (as intended), with 4 pea-shoting guns in the other highs (or neuts/nos/remotereps/more ganglinks) and a situation where drones basicly are useless, survivability is really the only thing that matters for a fleet command ship. And the Eos sucks compared to the others. As explained numbers of times: with these changes the Eos becomes useless for solo PvP (as intended) but it's also basicly useless for it's intended role. Is it really that hard for you to get it? Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:47:00 - [26] The "information" warfare bonus on average at lvl 4 is +12%, that shouldn't even be considered it's so small, your not limited to information warfare modules
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:47:00 - [27] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer EOS can tank 650dps with T2 tank and T1 rigs. And that's a complete joke of a tank compared to vulture, claymore and damnation. Especially when you put it in the gang situation where it's supposed to be used. So? The damnations tank is like 100dps more. Amarr is supposed to tank better. Cry more. You want the same tank as amarr? Sure lets give all your ships the same tank, but also give amarr same drone bay size and same close range dps. Im in for that, I dont think you are... If you are flying in a gang, the possible sustainable DPS is not all that matters. In fact, that doesn't matter the most. The damnation and vulture have much much higher HP tanks. These ships, especially the damnation, can easily be kept alive through remote repping. The Claymore can tank very high burst damage (coupled with a "low" sig radius). But it's also got the (prefered) option of speedtanking. While the Eos just dies. If you are part of a big gang running 3 gang links (as intended), with 4 pea-shoting guns in the other highs (or neuts/nos/remotereps/more ganglinks) and a situation where drones basicly are useless, survivability is really the only thing that matters for a fleet command ship. And the Eos sucks compared to the others. As explained numbers of times: with these changes the Eos becomes useless for solo PvP (as intended) but it's also basicly useless for it's intended role. Is it really that hard for you to get it? Its always the same with you people, you put up a show about how worthless it will be in its "real" role but infact you just want it boosted for the solo gankage. You do know an eos can get 1000+ dps right? This is much more then the absolution can get and abso is a FIELD command. But ofc gallante dont see this as a problem. Why do you want 7 turrets on a fleet command? So you can solo and screw the gang links Why you want big drone bay? So you can pour out 250dps extra Yeah Im sure we all see that you are fighting for the eos to be a fleet command and not a solo pwn mobile....not.
Kevin Mi7nick	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer EOS can tank 650dps with T2 tank and T1 rigs. And that's a complete joke of a tank compared to vulture, claymore and damnation. Especially when you put it in the gang situation where it's supposed to be used. So? The damnations tank is like 100dps more. Amarr is supposed to tank better. Cry more. You want the same tank as amarr? Sure lets give all your ships the same tank, but also give amarr same drone bay size and same close range dps. Im in for that, I dont think you are... If you are flying in a gang, the possible sustainable DPS is not all that matters. In fact, that doesn't matter the most. The damnation and vulture have much much higher HP tanks. These ships, especially the damnation, can easily be kept alive through remote repping. The Claymore can tank very high burst damage (coupled with a "low" sig radius). But it's also got the (prefered) option of speedtanking. While the Eos just dies. If you are part of a big gang running 3 gang links (as intended), with 4 pea-shoting guns in the other highs (or neuts/nos/remotereps/more ganglinks) and a situation where drones basicly are useless, survivability is really the only thing that matters for a fleet command ship. And the Eos sucks compared to the others. As explained numbers of times: with these changes the Eos becomes useless for solo PvP (as intended) but it's also basicly useless for it's intended role. Is it really that hard for you to get it? Its always the same with you people, you put up a show about how worthless it will be in its "real" role but infact you just want it boosted for the solo gankage. You do know an eos can get 1000+ dps right? This is much more then the absolution can get and abso is a FIELD command. But ofc gallante dont see this as a problem. Why do you want 7 turrets on a fleet command? So you can solo and screw the gang links Why you want big drone bay? So you can pour out 250dps extra Yeah Im sure we all see that you are fighting for the eos to be a fleet command and not a solo pwn mobile....not. I believe stfu troll is in order....
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Kevin Mi7nick What would you consider to be? Best T1 Cruiser? Best Hac? Best Recon? Best Battlecruiser? Best Command? Best Battleship? These are either the best or amongst the most used and best performing in their classes. Ill only count the gallente ones. T1 cruiser: Thorax for gank, Vexor for drone/ew stuff. Both good solo HAC: One gank, one drone. Both very good hacs. Recons: Both good recons BC: Myrmidon, the most overpowered BC there is. Brutix brutal blaster platform that ganks the crap out of everything. Commandship: EOS most overpower CS there is and astarte is a very good one too compared to the others. BS: Sniper mega, blaster mega, domi, domi, domi Do you have a ship class where you are outclassed? Now you go try dig up amarr ships that do the job as well as gallente ships in these ship classes.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Kevin Mi7nick I believe stfu troll is in order.... You sir are truly an idiot if you think a fleet command should have 1000+dps. Maybe its you that should stfu? I think yes.



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