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![LaVista Vista LaVista Vista](https://images.evetech.net/characters/699886074/portrait?size=64)
LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.25 18:45:00 -
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Seems like the phoenix "mercinaries" guys didnt get enough of their fun.
Zzz was wardecked 10 minuts ago again. To the battlebadgers!!! ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Four Degrees Four Degrees](https://images.evetech.net/characters/265426408/portrait?size=64)
Four Degrees
Caldari Alternative End Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:08:00 -
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/facepalm
Enough said.
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![Kirjava Kirjava](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1174081287/portrait?size=64)
Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:09:00 -
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Palm - meet face. Now we know that something odd is going on. KIA was hired last time and Ridic got these chaps to orbit the station Phoenix were holed up in - the screanshot was hilarious, overkill should have been the caption. So why make another wardec with the guy's that failed to score any damage, apart from a few corps leaving then immediatly rejoining?....
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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![Imperius Blackheart Imperius Blackheart](https://images.evetech.net/characters/277238838/portrait?size=64)
Imperius Blackheart
Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 25/10/2007 21:29:15
Some people are slow learners. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I very much doubt with the changes that Ricdic made last time that further assistance will be required, I really don't know what these guys hope to achive other than to blackmail Zzz.
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![Hanoi Hana Hanoi Hana](https://images.evetech.net/characters/666645315/portrait?size=64)
Hanoi Hana
Mitsubishi Group
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:29:00 -
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Maybe they're trying to cause Ricdics to spend unnecessary amounts of Zzz money in order to make pretty circles out of ships again? *tin foil hat*
There were theories that the Phoenix guys were not actually being paid by anybody and were just making it up... but I can't see any corporation wardeccing Zzz again after being forced to sit in a station for a week before ending the war, unless they were receiving outside compensation.
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![Imperius Blackheart Imperius Blackheart](https://images.evetech.net/characters/277238838/portrait?size=64)
Imperius Blackheart
Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 25/10/2007 21:33:20
Originally by: Hanoi Hana
There were theories that the Phoenix guys were not actually being paid by anybody and were just making it up... but I can't see any corporation wardeccing Zzz again after being forced to sit in a station for a week before ending the war, unless they were receiving outside compensation.
Well they ran to another region and probably went ratting for a bit last time tbh, it was only their members in the same region as Zzz pos's that got killed/camped.
Edit: Additionally, Ricdic made it very clear he spent NO Zzz money hiring KIA, but he paid for it out of his own pocket, for us to provide security while he upgraded the pos defences.
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![Hanoi Hana Hanoi Hana](https://images.evetech.net/characters/666645315/portrait?size=64)
Hanoi Hana
Mitsubishi Group
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hanoi Hana on 25/10/2007 21:43:08
Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Edit: Additionally, Ricdic made it very clear he spent NO Zzz money hiring KIA, but he paid for it out of his own pocket, for us to provide security while he upgraded the pos defences.
So I stand quite corrected! I'm often impressed by the hard work and ISK that Ricdic puts into Zzz. I'll be keeping an eye out to see what Phoenix does this time...
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![Kirjava Kirjava](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1174081287/portrait?size=64)
Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hanoi Hana Edited by: Hanoi Hana on 25/10/2007 21:43:08
Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Edit: Additionally, Ricdic made it very clear he spent NO Zzz money hiring KIA, but he paid for it out of his own pocket, for us to provide security while he upgraded the pos defences.
So I stand quite corrected! I'm often impressed by the hard work and ISK that Ricdic puts into Zzz. I'll be keeping an eye out to see what Phoenix does differantly this time...
Changed what I think should have gone in there. The answer ofc is to undock.![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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![kittykatkat kittykatkat](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1614407812/portrait?size=64)
kittykatkat
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Posted - 2007.10.26 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Hanoi Hana Edited by: Hanoi Hana on 25/10/2007 21:43:08
Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Edit: Additionally, Ricdic made it very clear he spent NO Zzz money hiring KIA, but he paid for it out of his own pocket, for us to provide security while he upgraded the pos defences.
So I stand quite corrected! I'm often impressed by the hard work and ISK that Ricdic puts into Zzz. I'll be keeping an eye out to see what Phoenix does differantly this time...
Changed what I think should have gone in there. The answer ofc is to undock.![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
The only difference this time is that people will be better prepared. Also a lot of players that actually care about Zzz more than for sticking their alts in it have actually fitted pvp and trained up more of it since the beginning of the first one.
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![EBANK Ricdic EBANK Ricdic](https://images.evetech.net/characters/616951585/portrait?size=64)
EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.26 01:53:00 -
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How long till this becomes griefing? They have no demands or requests, no nothing just intent on causing trouble hiding behind a faceless corporation. I know KIA are watching this thread, give me a yell if you guys want another contract.
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![Shadarle Shadarle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/694207010/portrait?size=64)
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.26 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic How long till this becomes griefing? They have no demands or requests, no nothing just intent on causing trouble hiding behind a faceless corporation. I know KIA are watching this thread, give me a yell if you guys want another contract.
It never becomes griefing, to answer your question.
Honestly, the way you react makes it quite worthwhile if someone dislikes you. They have to spend a mere 50 mil a week or whatever to keep the wardec and you spend however much money hiring KIA. Plus you get a bit worried, you make posts like this one, and your investors and research customers get a bit nervous.
50 mil is nothing to spend per week to cause you that annoyance if they really want to annoy ya and if they know it gets to ya.
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![Alvara Alvara](https://images.evetech.net/characters/250939026/portrait?size=64)
Alvara
Cyber Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.26 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Alvara on 26/10/2007 02:08:41 Well it ain't Empire Research. At the very least not me.
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![Ricdics Ricdics](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1568220882/portrait?size=64)
Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.26 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle It never becomes griefing, to answer your question.
See, I have always known conflict resolution. I have no problem talking down problems, and forming agreements because frankly I don't play this game to get on people's bad sides. I don't like feeling that I am inconveniencing someone out there enough that it makes them want to declare war on me.
And the worst part is, I can't resolve it. I don't know what the problem is, I don't know who I am causing the problem for, that's why I hate this so much. I think there has to be a reason, do people actually play these kinds of games with the sole intent to cause problems and hassles for others?
Quote: 50 mil is nothing to spend per week to cause you that annoyance if they really want to annoy ya and if they know it gets to ya.
Sure, but whats the benefit? There has to be a reason for it. Not knowing the reason is what gets me most annoyed. Insured Research and Production Services Queues |
![kittykatkat kittykatkat](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1614407812/portrait?size=64)
kittykatkat
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Posted - 2007.10.26 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics
Originally by: Shadarle It never becomes griefing, to answer your question.
See, I have always known conflict resolution. I have no problem talking down problems, and forming agreements because frankly I don't play this game to get on people's bad sides. I don't like feeling that I am inconveniencing someone out there enough that it makes them want to declare war on me.
And the worst part is, I can't resolve it. I don't know what the problem is, I don't know who I am causing the problem for, that's why I hate this so much. I think there has to be a reason, do people actually play these kinds of games with the sole intent to cause problems and hassles for others?
Quote: 50 mil is nothing to spend per week to cause you that annoyance if they really want to annoy ya and if they know it gets to ya.
Sure, but whats the benefit? There has to be a reason for it. Not knowing the reason is what gets me most annoyed.
Since I am a worthless alt as Shadarle attests I will tell you that people will do many things with no reason except to keep carebears on their toes. Granted Zzz is not about carebears but tell that to those who can't understand why people would do anything but pvp once they have enough isk to do it.
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![Four Degrees Four Degrees](https://images.evetech.net/characters/265426408/portrait?size=64)
Four Degrees
Caldari Alternative End Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.26 02:43:00 -
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If this was just a case of griefing some 'carebears', or to make a quick buck, then clearly other institutions such as Empire Research would be a major target, as well as other similar ventures. And while I don't ***** forums for anything that's irrelevant to me, I have heard nothing of these guys being 'contracted' to do the same elsewhere.
I personally just think, as I've said previously the last time this happened, that if there is infact an anonymous contracter - then it's pretty lame they won't stand up and take responsibility. Albeit their personal choice. (I don't mind someone using mercs to fight their battles, I have no bones about that.)
It can become griefing, when things become personal - in games, which they can. I have no evidence, proof, information but my feeling is that there's something personal involved - whether it be for ****s and giggles or a grudge, who knows.
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![Benvie Benvie](https://images.evetech.net/characters/700718150/portrait?size=64)
Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.26 03:51:00 -
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Maybe it's someone who's mad at Ricdic for buying out all the interesting IPOs. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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![Shadarle Shadarle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/694207010/portrait?size=64)
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.26 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics
Originally by: Shadarle It never becomes griefing, to answer your question.
See, I have always known conflict resolution. I have no problem talking down problems, and forming agreements because frankly I don't play this game to get on people's bad sides. I don't like feeling that I am inconveniencing someone out there enough that it makes them want to declare war on me.
And the worst part is, I can't resolve it. I don't know what the problem is, I don't know who I am causing the problem for, that's why I hate this so much. I think there has to be a reason, do people actually play these kinds of games with the sole intent to cause problems and hassles for others?
Quote: 50 mil is nothing to spend per week to cause you that annoyance if they really want to annoy ya and if they know it gets to ya.
Sure, but whats the benefit? There has to be a reason for it. Not knowing the reason is what gets me most annoyed.
These posts of yours are the exact reason they are doing it. Some people enjoy annoying people. I'm guessing you did something to annoy them or make them angry... or perhaps you're a random target. Either way your reactions are just going to egg them on more.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:17:00 -
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So how do I permanently resolve the situation?
I can hire someone against them again,
I can entice them a nice enough amount of money to reveal their source,
I can just counterattack a range of people I think one of whom may be causing it
I can exploit the system, having 2 alt corps have a permanent wardec on Zzz, meaning the cost for war is increased by the perpetrators. Sure, operational costs are a little higher but if it detracts people from acting in this manner it seems like a viable option.
I have one other option I am tossing up now which should prove quite interesting if/when actioned ![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
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![Benvie Benvie](https://images.evetech.net/characters/700718150/portrait?size=64)
Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe I can entice them a nice enough amount of money to reveal their source
That would probably be the most effective thing. Plus you can get revenge.
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![Shadarle Shadarle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/694207010/portrait?size=64)
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe So how do I permanently resolve the situation?
I can hire someone against them again,
I can entice them a nice enough amount of money to reveal their source,
I can just counterattack a range of people I think one of whom may be causing it
I can exploit the system, having 2 alt corps have a permanent wardec on Zzz, meaning the cost for war is increased by the perpetrators. Sure, operational costs are a little higher but if it detracts people from acting in this manner it seems like a viable option.
I have one other option I am tossing up now which should prove quite interesting if/when actioned ![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
You're acting under the assumption that they are doing this for logical reasons. You are failing to understand the thought process of some players.
There are people who will sit in a newbie zone in a game and non-stop kill them all day long, for absolutely no gain, just to **** people off.
Every time you try to logically resolve this you prob get quite a few chuckles from them.
The best way to end it is to just ignore them. The more attention they get the more they will keep it up. Paying mercs to kill them just wastes your own money, which may in fact be a goal of theirs for all you know. Unless you know their motive it's hard to know how to respond... but most of their reasons would involve getting a reaction from you.
If you actually have something to lose by being war-dec'd then you have a problem. If so it seems they have found a good way to annoy you or hurt you or at the very least cost you money. And by your constant posts they can tell they are under your skin.
Do what you are gonna do in secret, don't keep talking on the forums unless you want this to go on and on and on.
For all we know you are the one paying them to boost yer rep and visibility ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
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![Ricdic's Hoe Ricdic's Hoe](https://images.evetech.net/characters/707408488/portrait?size=64)
Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.10.26 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle For all we know you are the one paying them to boost yer rep and visibility ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
It's always possible, but whilst it is low we still do lose customer's from these wardecs. If it's a rival research corporation, they are naive to think they get business from people leaving Zzz. The ones who leave due to the war are ones that will go right back to utilising public labslots instead. And they will likely never move back into this kind of research again.
Anyway.
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![Shadarle Shadarle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/694207010/portrait?size=64)
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.26 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe
Originally by: Shadarle For all we know you are the one paying them to boost yer rep and visibility ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
It's always possible, but whilst it is low we still do lose customer's from these wardecs. If it's a rival research corporation, they are naive to think they get business from people leaving Zzz. The ones who leave due to the war are ones that will go right back to utilising public labslots instead. And they will likely never move back into this kind of research again.
Anyway.
See, this kind of post is bad. You admit it is hurting your bottom line, even if only a little bit. It just gives the people attacking you more satisfaction, assuming their goal is to hurt your wallet or your ipo or someone in your alliance.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:08:00 -
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Ok I will just shut up then ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
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![Shadarle Shadarle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/694207010/portrait?size=64)
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe Ok I will just shut up then ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
Glad you finally caught on ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
Trust me, I've dealt with some interesting players in lots of mmorpgs. You can't assume people don't have reasons for doing things just because they make no sense to you. The best overall policy is to crush them... but if that isn't possible (and it isn't here since they can hide forever) then ignoring often works better. Eventually they will get bored of you not caring about them so they'll stop wasting their money.
Of course all these posts may change that... but eh... we'll see how long they wanna spend 50 mil. Just hope they can't keep a war going as long as some of us real traders could if we used our deep pockets.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Benvie Maybe it's someone who's mad at Ricdic for buying out all the interesting IPOs. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
lol, true ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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![Julius Rigel Julius Rigel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1163473231/portrait?size=64)
Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2007.10.29 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hanoi Hana ...pretty circles out of ships again?
They are gun-toting performance artist coaches! They force you to make purty formations without knowing it! |
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