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Olli Hokkanen
Full Life Alternative
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:10:00 -
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right, obviously this isnt my main so that out of the way
i have fought about 2 years in mercenary corp which is well known, mostly we buy/get our own ships which we destroy in process
so one day i was thinking if we do succesfull campaign what happens to the reward ISK really?
the answers i have got from my leaders aren't very realistic and i dont believe them 
i mean many bil isk goes where?
thinking stuff like this makes me to change to privateers or such organization, sure there is benefits of being in strong corp but still 
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Lianlan Lou
Caldari
ISK Farmer and Sweatshop INC.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Lianlan Lou on 26/10/2007 04:36:14
first
For most merc corps, the contract moeny is not their primary source of income. They make their isk from some serious carebearing and loot sales from pvp kills.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation
Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Angor on 26/10/2007 04:35:35
In your ceo's pockets 
If your in MC, i'd imagine, caps, supercaps and ceo's pockets hehe
It should go to ship losses but i guess not.
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Sgt Jinxed
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:17:00 -
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uh uh, I know what happens to them.
But I won't tell you :(
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Angor
In your ceo's pockets
If your in MC, i'd imagine, caps, supercaps and ceo's pockets hehe
It should go to ship losses but i guess not.
Do not talk about the workers and peasents of BDCI in such a way! Take your slander to the doorstep of the capitalist pigs in CONIN and the hedonists in FRICK!
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Devoras2
Amarr
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:44:00 -
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Erh.. i usually let Eddz handle the isk. Usually it goes to women and booze 
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Olli Hokkanen
the answers i have got from my leaders aren't very realistic and i dont believe them
i mean many bil isk goes where?
Simply if you don't trust your leadership or feel lied to your in the wrong corp.
If you are in a "real" merc organisation and are being paid "billions" then usually a large chunk of it is invested in the pilots, the logsitics needed for running such an organisation.
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Nizar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Olli Hokkanen
... i mean many bil isk goes where?
you just got punk'd!
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Evil Pookie on 26/10/2007 07:51:29
if you were in a corp that actually gave a rats arse about its members then all of the contract fees would be passed on to you the members. That's how we do it, but then, there are few corps out there that operate a fair and equitable payment scheme like ours.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Pookie
Edited by: Evil Pookie on 26/10/2007 07:51:29
if you were in a corp that actually gave a rats arse about its members then all of the contract fees would be passed on to you the members. That's how we do it, but then, there are few corps out there that operate a fair and equitable payment scheme like ours.
That's great when all your tacklers are not in corp ;)
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Necronomicon
Originally by: Evil Pookie
Edited by: Evil Pookie on 26/10/2007 07:51:29
if you were in a corp that actually gave a rats arse about its members then all of the contract fees would be passed on to you the members. That's how we do it, but then, there are few corps out there that operate a fair and equitable payment scheme like ours.
That's great when all your tacklers are not in corp ;)
Are you mentally deficient? How is this even relevant?
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Pookie
Originally by: Necronomicon
Originally by: Evil Pookie
Edited by: Evil Pookie on 26/10/2007 07:51:29
if you were in a corp that actually gave a rats arse about its members then all of the contract fees would be passed on to you the members. That's how we do it, but then, there are few corps out there that operate a fair and equitable payment scheme like ours.
That's great when all your tacklers are not in corp ;)
Are you mentally deficient? How is this even relevant?
Relevant...maybe not...put a smile on my face though.
To the OP, when you start worrying about stuff like that, it is time to hang up your guns and head to Motsu/Dodixie etc etc. TBH merc pilots in general are in it for the pew pew, the giggles and the glory.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Crusari
Gallente
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:23:00 -
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Most of the isk that goes to my members is from loot sales, if you split isk fairly and kill lots, it actually becomes an ok income for most of my guys. Also a part of the contract money goes to members. Other part is to pay for empire wardecs etc.
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Olli Hokkanen
Full Life Alternative
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Posted - 2007.10.26 12:49:00 -
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judging by the answers and posts ive seen in my time, its time to change corp
something like noobcorp might be suited 
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Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise
Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:03:00 -
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Like has been said, almost no merc corp has contract fees as a primary income, and merc corps using contract fees exclusively for corp-related things instead of filtering it down to their members isn't unheard of.
The fact you literally aren't told where the cash goes kind of suggests it's time for a bloody coup though.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:15:00 -
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Ours goes to pay for Hulks...seriously, we pvp to fund our CareBearing...
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Ours goes to pay for Hulks...seriously, we pvp to fund our CareBearing...
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:50:00 -
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Ok, I have to admit it...I can't fly a hulk...I'm still only in a lowly Retriever...I know I fail...
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.10.27 20:37:00 -
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We're not as big as the guys that have answered, but I make no secret of our payment split, so for reference:
 Client pays wardec fee(s)
10% of contract fee goes to corp to cover expenses (tax currently at 9%)
The rest of the weekly fee is split evenly amongst corp members that participate. Ensign rank gets a half share but are not expected to contribute as fully.
Killbonuses are split amongst those that participate in the kills (oh yes working that out is fun!)
Loot is also split amongst members involved in the kill. Sometimes members will give it to those that lost ships but that is their decision and not corp policy.
In quoting we price fee + bonuses to cover expected losses, and aim to make a bit of profit from the loot splits. You don't get fabulously rich, but it's better than doing missions I think.
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Maraude Fury
Minmatar
Shadow Of The Light
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Posted - 2007.10.27 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Khul Drukath
We're not as big as the guys that have answered, but I make no secret of our payment split, so for reference:
Killbonuses are split amongst those that participate in the kills (oh yes working that out is fun!)
This one at least should be made easier with the upcomeing changes to killmails. The Damage done section should ease most of it. You'll just need some sort of automated script that pulls the kills for your contract period, and tallies up how much damage was done total, and divide it by the isk that you recieved(or a part of it) fot that week. Kick in a small bonus to anyone who's tackleing with no damage showing on kills...
well.. rereading what I wrote, it'll be a LITTLE easier once everything is up and running.
Maraude Fury
CEO: Shadow Of The Light
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.27 20:52:00 -
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A small, elite merc corp that focuses on ganks should be able to earn enough from loot to fund its losses.
Contract money shouldn't have to go towards paying off losses.
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Eric carr
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.27 21:38:00 -
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I think I know who your main is 
Oh well it doesnt matter, who cares about isk, i rather get cheaper ships and mods then isk, I¦m in for the pew pew and ask if Eddz is nekkid, why care about anything else. Btw support my struggle for me to change kia alliance slogan 
Kia was sounding great, but we could've used a little more cowbell.
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Devoras2
Amarr
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.27 21:45:00 -
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Oki. A tad more serious on my part.
When KIA Alliance gets hired, the isk is split evenly between the corporations within the Alliance. What the corps do with the isk is individualy up to them.
In KIA corp the isk goes to the corp wallet for invention and other ways to generate more isk. Then the accumulated isk goes to e.g in the purchase of dreads, momma ships etc.
The point within KIA is that we care more for KIA corp then our own pockets and our selfish self. The more we fuel the corp, the stronger we come out of it. But this is just one way of running a merc corp. Other ways may be more ffeicent or suited for others, but this way suits KIA.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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gesthapto lapenty
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Posted - 2007.10.31 03:06:00 -
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Holding this for a post in the morning when I am sober and won;t feel guilty for posting the ****ty remarks I am going to.
Oh and Hi Mom.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.31 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 31/10/2007 04:38:52
in eve as in real life, corporations are private entities without the transparency of government. While they must operate within the bounds of law requiring them to report on certain gains and losses, they need not do so with as much detail as a government organization.
Mercenary Corporations are just that; private entities. You know your getting paid with isk, or stations, or special ships: but you dont get to know why that is, and sometimes you dont even get to know how much. If isk is the issue, as said in this thread, in the case of eve it comes to trust. Has your leadership ever led you astray? Is the leadership doing what is in the best interests of himself, or his corp, or his alliance? You hope he does what is in the best interests of his alliance first, his corp second, and himself last. This is the mark of a good leader.
The mercenary coalition, among mercenary entities, is blssed in that we have a good leader in place. Im not seleene's lapdog. Indeed, if you have hacked the bdci forums im sure theres been some uncomplimentary remarks about me in the past. Bdci and I get along, but not famously. The same can be said of myself and sel.
That being said, Seleene is a secretive leader of a private entity, in a time when secrecy is important and rare. We in the MC understand that we are paid for each contract. Sometimes its a solid isk amount, and each corp gets a share. Sometimes, the corps decide together to use the isk for certain alliance projects. Sometimes, Those projects must be secret, and thus a minimum number of people are aware of them. As in todays world, secrecy is key to successful projects. Be it a station or a titan, loose lips sink ships. THis is why the MC has been blessed. Seleene always acts with the good of the alliance in mind, and the longterm health of the MC. He does not neglect his corp, and manages to manage the MC effectively, and with responsible secrecy when required. Everyone is human; im sure Sel has made misakes. But a leader who cares for his players AND does so in a way that helps suceed in the complicated game environment, is a blessing.
If your in a merccorp, Olli, and dont feel the leadership is heading in the right direction, get some perspective. Speak with your alliance leaders, your ceo, and find out if theres more than meets the eye. If theres not, and the leadership is corrupt, then leave and create a merc corp of your choosing, made in the image of your choosing.
BAWK!
sorry for the essay guys.
p.s. The myth that mercs make money from mercing is false. Mercs defringle the cost of PVP with mercing; they do not operate in the black. pvp is never profitable. its sole purpose is fun. as is the purpose of eve. THus, a mercs sole purpose is fun; and its easier to have fun when you have isk for ships. If your paid 3b for a contract and take 7b in losses, then your only in the red 4b. A "normal" pvp alliance would be in the red the entire amount:)
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.31 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Crusari
Most of the isk that goes to my members is from loot sales, if you split isk fairly and kill lots, it actually becomes an ok income for most of my guys. Also a part of the contract money goes to members. Other part is to pay for empire wardecs etc.
Boss when are we gonna get payed for 2005 contracts ? last year you said it wont take you more then 2 years to sell loot, and calc everything for personal shars, but this year is closing to the end, and im in need of some ammo so if you would be so kind to give 200k as advance plz. cheers boss :)
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