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Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:02:00 - [1] I think I posted an initial link about this some time ago. Finally the Crown Court dealt with this guy and he's got sentenced to 3 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7063366.stm He must be amongst the most disgraceful scum living on this planet, and I hope every second he spends inside is one on abject misery. At least for once our courts seem to have had a bit of sense and he hasn't just got the slap on the wrist I was thinking he'd get for "outraging public decency" that he was charged with. Thank god another backward inbred chav was stupid enough to record it on their mobile so the police had evidence.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:02:00 - [2] I think I posted an initial link about this some time ago. Finally the Crown Court dealt with this guy and he's got sentenced to 3 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7063366.stm He must be amongst the most disgraceful scum living on this planet, and I hope every second he spends inside is one on abject misery. At least for once our courts seem to have had a bit of sense and he hasn't just got the slap on the wrist I was thinking he'd get for "outraging public decency" that he was charged with. Thank god another backward inbred chav was stupid enough to record it on their mobile so the police had evidence.
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:06:00 - [3] It would be very nice if he met with an "accident" whilst picking up some soap in the showers every ******* day he's there. __________________________________
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:06:00 - [4] It would be very nice if he met with an "accident" whilst picking up some soap in the showers every ******* day he's there. __________________________________
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:14:00 - [5] Quote: Anderson, a former soldier, had smoked a cannabis joint and been drinking when he and two friends spotted her. Yeah, I really hope the other inmates give him the same 'secial' treatment too. And thats really ****** up now days that someone could just kill over in a public place and no one will bother stepping up to help. We had a case like that in the US too and to me theres something wrong to have that much lack in apathy. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 26/10/2007 15:19:33 Here's to hoping he gets urinated on while being worked in by Bubbah. Death by anal tearing doesn't sound too bad either... especially if he's being **ed on. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things.** Friedrich Nietzsche
Khadur Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:28:00 - [7] Harsh
Asestorian Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:32:00 - [8] What a ******* idiot. I'd have no complaints if he was himself urinated on whilst in pain. ---
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.26 15:36:00 - [9] should be ******* hung tbfh
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.26 16:00:00 - [10] Another reason the death sentence should be re-instated everywhere. --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Hanjiro Nakamura Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.26 16:07:00 - [11] Edited by: Hanjiro Nakamura on 26/10/2007 16:08:21 Meh, some people. I've always been fond of drawn and quartering..maybe if the world had harsher punishments we wouldn't see things like this on the news everyday. Admittedly human life doesn't mean much to me, but I would still call 911 if I saw someone collapse. It is only polite after all. shrug ------------------------- We work in the dark We do what we can We give what we have Our doubt is our passion, and our passion is our task The rest is the madness of art. -Henry James
Kurt Armstrong Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.26 16:13:00 - [12] Unfortunately in life you get people like this
Sehanine Caldari Solitary Confinement	Posted - 2007.10.26 16:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Sehanine on 26/10/2007 16:30:57 The fact that a crowd gathered and no-one stepped in is even worse imo
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Xoria Krint on 26/10/2007 17:35:08 Originally by: lofty29 Another reason the death sentence should be re-instated everywhere. Originally by: Sorted should be ******* hung tbfh ...... Do you guys really mean that? That you should kill a guy that is urination on a dying woman? IF you are urinating on a dying woman you are probably SICK and need help. And if you have a latent psychos (you can't know it before) that gets trigged by Drugs/Stress it could even have been YOU urinating on that woman. Something is clearly wrong in the guys head. He did a terrible thing. But killing him won't help anyone... EDIT: Is there anyone out there thats agree with me? Or am i the only one? If I am the only one my faith in humanity just got a wrecking - My Movies Hijack and die
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Xoria Krint ...... Do you guys really mean that? That you should kill a guy that is urination on a dying woman? IF you are urinating on a dying woman you are probably SICK and need help. And if you have a latent psychos (you can't know it before) that gets trigged by Drugs/Stress it could even have been YOU urinating on that woman. Something is clearly wrong in the guys head. He did a terrible thing. But killing him won't help anyone... Normally I pride myself on my ability to see two sides of every story. To sit back and take a well adjusted view of all points, and make a descision based on a well reasoned view. But in this case, no. There is no mitigating factor here. If he were truly metally ill then it would have been used in court as a defence. He was drunk, doped up, and more relevantly is pure human excrement. He doesn't deserve to be breathing the same air as us. I'd like to see the concept of an "outlaw" returned. Like a super ASBO. You have decided not to partake in societies rules, so your particpation in society and the resultant protection is officially withdrawn.
Asestorian Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Asestorian on 26/10/2007 17:42:39 Originally by: Xoria Krint EDIT: Is there anyone out there thats agree with me? Or am i the only one? If I am the only one my faith in humanity just got a wrecking I don't agree that he should be killed, although I don't care if he is. It's really not in line with the crime he committed, and it's probably better to let him sit in jail, perhaps being equally abused by the other inmates (criminals are strange people, some crimes are fine.. others, not so much) and thinking about what a total **** he is. Edit: FFS I missed out the "not" part of the killing.. Edit2: Nevermind, I'm just not with it today.. ---
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:42:00 - [17] Drugs didn't ** on the dying woman, a 'human being' did. I think if anything this thread is evident that there is a line when it comes to attributing sympathy to another human being after it has committed certain actions. This act was non-violent, without motive, and beyond despicable... don't think it's very hard for any human being to not care what the heck happens to him at this point. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things.** Friedrich Nietzsche
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Fink Angel If he were truly metally ill then it would have been used in court as a defence. He was drunk, doped up, and more relevantly is pure human excrement. Well it maybe was used as a defense in the court? But the judge thought different? And the guy is sick, You don't need a doctor to understand that. I have been with tons of people that has been both high and drunk. NO ONEurinated on someone else. And don't get me wrong, Im not defending the guy but a death sentence should never be used in my opinion. - My Movies Hijack and die
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Caid Lemant don't think it's very hard for any human being to not care what the heck happens to him at this point. Well then Im different then the human beings. - My Movies Hijack and die
Aleria Angelis Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:48:00 - [20] You hear stories of murder and worse everyday but for some reason this story really sums up where the UKÆs heading right now, simple respect for each other seems to be vanishing fast and its actually quite worrying. My local area's getting allot worse, I saw a group of rough builders drinking as they walked across the street in broad daylight, one of them casually threw his half empty can across the road and I didnÆt have the guts to go and confront him about it. Maybe IÆm just a hypocrite but I think allot of this is allowed to continue because common decent people are simply too scared to object. However I'd like to think if I ever witnessed what happened to that poor old lady I would act despite the potential risk of confronting a man with no morals and possibly a knife in his pocket. What if that guy hadnt been stupid enough to record it on his phone? Would anyone even know what had happened to that lady?
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Xoria Krint Originally by: Caid Lemant don't think it's very hard for any human being to not care what the heck happens to him at this point. Well then Im different then the human beings. No, you just believe you are. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Xoria Krint Well it maybe was used as a defense in the court? But the judge thought different? And don't get me wrong, Im not defending the guy but a death sentence should never be used in my opinion. He put his hands up to it. Pleaded guilty. It had to be bumped up from magistrates court to crown court as the magistrates didn't have the power to impose a long enough sentence. There was no trial as such in this case. OK, the death sentence is possibly taking it a bit far, but I'd like to see him hurt. A lot. Broken on the wheel perhaps? While they're doing it, they could round up another lot of anti social chavs and do the same to them,
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Xoria Krint on 26/10/2007 17:54:07 Originally by: Caid Lemant No, you just believe you are. Oh. So you know me now huh? :) Originally by: Fink Angel He put his hands up to it. Pleaded guilty. It had to be bumped up from magistrates court to crown court as the magistrates didn't have the power to impose a long enough sentence. There was no trial as such in this case. OK, the death sentence is possibly taking it a bit far, but I'd like to see him hurt. A lot. Broken on the wheel perhaps? While they're doing it, they could round up another lot of anti social chavs and do the same to them, So you think torture should be a good punishment? - My Movies Hijack and die
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Sehanine Edited by: Sehanine on 26/10/2007 16:30:57 The fact that a crowd gathered and no-one stepped in is even worse imo I don't understand. I have never been in a situation like that, but how could anyone stand and watch, or just walk away? I don't get it??? My Current Project
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Aleria Angelis Maybe IÆm just a hypocrite but I think allot of this is allowed to continue because common decent people are simply too scared to object. A lot of the time people don't want to get involved is because the police and CPS will often try to prosecute you if they want to. What I would call "the benefit of the doubt" seems to have swung too far against the honest citizen. Like this guy who was prosecuted for manslaughter, which seems to me it should never have gone to court.
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:56:00 - [26] Edited by: Xoria Krint on 26/10/2007 17:56:37 Originally by: DarkMatter I don't understand. I have never been in a situation like that, but how could anyone stand and watch, or just walk away? I don't get it??? I agree. I wouldn't stand myself if I did it. I have been in that crowd-situation aswell but I stood up for a random guy. And I really hope I would do the same in a more extreme version of the crowd-situation. - My Movies Hijack and die
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Xoria Krint So you think torture should be a good punishment? Yup. Somethings not working in the current system, so we shoudl try out some old and tested methods. And boy would it make people feel justice was being done. I'd love to see the old fashioned fairs that sprang up as the guilty are led through through the streets to the place of punishment.
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Xoria Krint Oh. So you know me now huh? :) No, you just said you're different than human beings. Rational observation says this is just a thought of yours. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Fink Angel Yup. Somethings not working in the current system, so we shoudl try out some old and tested methods. And boy would it make people feel justice was being done. I'd love to see the old fashioned fairs that sprang up as the guilty are led through through the streets to the place of punishment. Could you name some more crimes you think should be punished with torture? - My Movies Hijack and die
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Xoria Krint Could you name some more crimes you think should be punished with torture? Anything that could be descibed as repeated anti-social behaviours. Maybe torture is too extreme, but some form of public humiliation spectacle ... stocks and jeering sort of thing. We need to take the "cool" out of this sort of thing, and bring "shame" back.
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Xoria Krint Oh. So you know me now huh? :) No, you just said you're different than human beings. Rational observation says this is just a thought of yours. Or the other human beings are lying to the other human beings just to be so brutal and manly. Because I truly believe there is people out in the Eve Community that thinks a death sentence would be to harsh. Originally by: Fink Angel OK, the death sentence is possibly taking it a bit far Oh.. Found one - My Movies Hijack and die
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:04:00 - [32] Quote: Or the other human beings are lying to the other human beings just to be so brutal and manly. Because I truly believe there is people out in the Eve Community that thinks a death sentence would be to harsh. Did I ever say a thing about the death penalty? -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Caid Lemant Quote: Or the other human beings are lying to the other human beings just to be so brutal and manly. Because I truly believe there is people out in the Eve Community that thinks a death sentence would be to harsh. Did I ever say a thing about the death penalty? No you said I wasn't human because I cared what happened to him. And if Fink Angel don't want to see him dead he is caring. - My Movies Hijack and die
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:19:00 - [34] Quote: don't think it's very hard for any human being to not care what the heck happens to him at this point. When did this decidedly state you weren't human? It isn't very hard for human beings to have sex, but there are people who abstain from it completely. You're the one who said you weren't human because you seem to believe the ability is as bad as the action. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:24:00 - [35] Edited by: Xoria Krint on 26/10/2007 18:25:52 Originally by: Caid Lemant Quote: don't think it's very hard for any human being to not care what the heck happens to him at this point. When did this decidedly state you weren't human? It isn't very hard for human beings to have sex, but there are people who abstain from it completely. You're the one who said you weren't human because you seem to believe the ability is as bad as the action. Okey I misunderstood you. But in that case I'm one of the human beings that think it is easy to care what the heck happens to him. - My Movies Hijack and die
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Caid Lemant Edited by: Caid Lemant on 26/10/2007 15:19:33 Here's to hoping he gets urinated on while being worked in by Bubbah. Death by anal tearing doesn't sound too bad either... especially if he's being **ed on. As always, a nice balanced point of view there. I'm particularly pleased at how you managed to avoid combining a right-wing, reactionary political stance with standard stereotypes and extreme, sexual violence... or not. Been watching American Prisoner X** again have you? Still - I suppose it's nice to blow off a bit of steam at a soft target, after all; who's going to object to the de-humanisation and further villification of such a monster as Anthony Anderson? Fortunately for young Anthony, who committed this atrocious act, the law does not allow a sentance of "Prison Urinal Duty, and Enforced Bum-Fun Until Ye Be Dead" to be passed down.... at least not in the UK. Wee Tony got 3 years. Even with maximum remission and time off for good behaviour, he'll serve 18 months minimum. Is that not enough to assauge your lust for vengeance? It has been agreed, on both sides of the Atlantic, that abuse at the hands of other prisoners is NOT part of what a spell inside should entail and constitutes a cruel and unusual punishment. Is it permissible, or even desirable, for some criminals to torture others because of public outrage? I think not. That is what the courts are there for, and the court's decision was to deprive him of his liberty for a bit. I agree what he did was despicable, but further human rights violations do not compensate for the initial one. Violence breeds violence. A truism, but relevant here anyway. Treat someone like a sub-human creature and they will most likely react in a similar fashion. Imagine what he'd be like if Bubba and his pals did get hold of him. (By the way, good luck finding anybody called "Bubba" inside or, more especially, outside of a UK prison). What young Tony needs is putting straight about what constitutes something to show on U-Tube, and what is likely to make folk feel like strangling you with your own intestines... not blind fury and castigation from the self-appointed moral gaurdians of the civilised world. Where are you from anyway Caid? Just curious so's I don't move there by accident. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:35:00 - [37] Where are you from? Taking a post that involves the term 'death by anal tearing' seriously seems a little dry. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Caid Lemant Where are you from? Taking a post that involves the term 'death by anal tearing' seriously seems a little dry. I'm from the UK Caid. Are you implying that we are not meant to take your comments in a thread on what is very obviously a serious matter, seriously Caid? Fair enough. Works for me. Wish I'd known that sooner. Your wish is also my command; henceforth I shall take none of your posts seriously. Same old same old. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:44:00 - [39] It's called intuition, obviously something that doesn't exist for a troll. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:48:00 - [40] Jago he said don't take that one seriously not don't take all of them seriously! Perhaps some discretion on your part might be good here? I would certainly be happy if society no longer have to deal with these sorts of at all, and they were disposed off, but id also be happy if i was given all of everyone else's money, don't make it fair. He doesn't deserve to die, but im glad he got three years, he should be made to serve the entire thing. -------------------------------------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Caid Lemant It's called intuition, obviously something that doesn't exist for a troll. You mean I have to guess when you mean what you say and when you are just frothing at the mouth and advocating extremely illegal and immoral (and painful) punishments for fun? You aren't making this easy Caid. Here's a radical solution that might just work; why not actually say what you mean and mean what you say? Go on... try it.. I dare you. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:53:00 - [42] Hope he shares a cell with the guy who punched the 90 year old man on the bus. The two of them will be great for each other.
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:56:00 - [43] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 26/10/2007 18:56:28 Originally by: Jago Kain You mean I have to guess when you mean what you say and when you are just frothing at the mouth and advocating extremely illegal and immoral (and painful) punishments for fun? You aren't making this easy Caid. Here's a radical solution that might just work; why not actually say what you mean and mean what you say? Go on... try it.. I dare you. If you can't figure out what I meant in that statement, that's your own problem. He deserves everything that comes to him with his prison sentence. I'm not making what easy? Your own inability to use your head because it's shoved too far up your own ass? -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:00:00 - [44] Edited by: Rialtor on 26/10/2007 19:02:12 Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Sehanine Edited by: Sehanine on 26/10/2007 16:30:57 The fact that a crowd gathered and no-one stepped in is even worse imo I don't understand. I have never been in a situation like that, but how could anyone stand and watch, or just walk away? I don't get it??? It's easier than you think. Lookup the bystander effect, or the Genovesse effect. It's basically a mental state that would cause someone to be less likely to intervene when others are present. It was studied after Kitty Genovesse was stabbed to death by some killer and she yelled for help, but her neighbors wouldn't help, and they had known that she was being attacked. When interviewed later, many came forward saying that they realized she was under attack but did nothing to intervene. In one of my schools, a computer teacher was severely beaten up by this moronic thug girl. There were other kids in the class but they didn't do anything to stop her, and they were all decent people. I wasn't in the class, and obviously the reaction at the time was why didn't they stop her? I learned about this effect years later, and looked back at that differently. To this day I hope I would have stopped it. ---- sig ---- He who pays the piper, picks the tune
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Caid Lemant If you can't figure out what I meant in that statement, that's your own problem. He deserves everything that comes to him with his prison sentence. I'm not making what easy? Your own inability to use your head because it's shoved too far up your own ass? Sadly untrue. An inability to make yourself clearly understood, even in here, is very much your problem. Are you being glib here about wee Tony deserving everything or just frothing again... I really can't tell and I'm finding this awfully confusing. You see; I was brought up to tell the truth, when it matters, and I find someone who will make jokes about enforced bum-fun and murder within an institution that is supposed to be there for rehabilitation odd, to say the least. As for my head being up my own ass; I don't even own a donkey. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:07:00 - [46] Edited by: Fink Angel on 26/10/2007 19:08:20 Originally by: Weebear Hope he shares a cell with the guy who punched the 90 year old man on the bus. The two of them will be great for each other. The sad thing is, he never got a prison sentence. Someone in the UK. Found Guilty of GBH. On an OAP. .. and didn't get prison time, he got a 3 year supervision order. Makes me wonder what signals are being given out sometimes. Edit: This was a tram, just noticed you said "bus".
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:17:00 - [47] While appalling, I don't see why this deserves a prison sentence of 3 years, not that I know the laws in the UK. That's a bit crazy, he didn't kill/assault the lady. That sounds like a civil lawsuit that the family could win, I don't see a reason to have such a long prison sentence. ---- sig ---- He who pays the piper, picks the tune
Caid Lemant Cunning Hats	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Rialtor While appalling, I don't see why this deserves a prison sentence of 3 years, not that I know the laws in the UK. That's a bit crazy, he didn't kill/assault the lady. That sounds like a civil lawsuit that the family could win, I don't see a reason to have such a long prison sentence. Urinating on someone is assault. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:27:00 - [49] Edited by: Rialtor on 26/10/2007 19:28:42 Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Rialtor While appalling, I don't see why this deserves a prison sentence of 3 years, not that I know the laws in the UK. That's a bit crazy, he didn't kill/assault the lady. That sounds like a civil lawsuit that the family could win, I don't see a reason to have such a long prison sentence. Urinating on someone is assault. I meant physical assault. But I don't see in the article that he knew she was dying and he did it knowing that fact. He could have just thought she was stoned/drunk, and did it as some college type gag. I'm sure that happens at some drunkard frat party somewhere -- some guy passed out, and he got peed on. Would he then get a 3 year jail sentence? Just because she happened to be dying doesn't mean that the crime is any more worse, as the intent was the same. It's the same level of deviant behavior at that point. The article was vague, and perhaps he did know, but it doesn't seem like it. They tried throwing water on her to revive her? They probably did think she was just stoned/drunk. Then proceeded to do stupid gags with her. ---- sig ---- He who pays the piper, picks the tune
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Rialtor Edited by: Rialtor on 26/10/2007 19:28:42 Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Rialtor While appalling, I don't see why this deserves a prison sentence of 3 years, not that I know the laws in the UK. That's a bit crazy, he didn't kill/assault the lady. That sounds like a civil lawsuit that the family could win, I don't see a reason to have such a long prison sentence. Urinating on someone is assault. I meant physical assault. But I don't see in the article that he knew she was dying and he did it knowing that fact. He could have just thought she was stoned/drunk, and did it as some college type gag. I'm sure that happens at some drunkard frat party somewhere -- some guy passed out, and he got peed on. Would he then get a 3 year jail sentence? Just because she happened to be dying doesn't mean that the crime is any more worse, as the intent was the same. It's the same level of deviant behavior at that point. The article was vague, and perhaps he did know, but it doesn't seem like it. They tried throwing water on her to revive her? They probably did think she was just stoned/drunk. Then proceeded to do stupid gags with her. Technically, weeing on someone constitutes both an section 39 assault and a battery, although would be far more likely to be prosecuted under section 4a or 5 of the Public Order act, which allows stiffer penalties than those for "common" assault. Also Magistrates can only hand down relatively short sentances, which is why this was bumped to Crown Court; so a Judge could get him. In any case, folk with no previous record frequently do time for offences far less offensve than this. The penalties for these offences are not usually so severe, but within the limits laid out in law. He's got no chance in an appeal though. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 20:08:00 - [51] Edited by: Cipher7 on 26/10/2007 20:17:42 Edited by: Cipher7 on 26/10/2007 20:16:58 If they put this man on an electric chair, I would have no hesitation in throwing the switch while shouting "THIS IS YOUTUBE MATERIAL!" I mean thats exactly how he treated the sick woman isnt it. Eye for an Eye. Edit : As far as I'm concerned there aren't that many crimes that shouldn't qualify for death. The truth of the matter is people generally get caught for %1 of what they do. When you get caught for a crime, thats usually not the first crappy thing you did to another human being. In a way I think the death penalty should be a form of Eugenics and Population control. Kill em often, kill em early, keep em from reproducing. At the end what you're left with is a better society with higher standards.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.26 20:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Xoria Krint Do u guys really mean that? That you should kill a guy that is urination on a dying woman? IF you are urinating on a dying woman you are probably SICK and need help. And if you have a latent psychos (you can't know it before) that gets trigged by Drugs/Stress it could even have been YOU urinating on that woman. Something is clearly wrong in the guys head. He did a terrible thing. But killing him won't help anyone... EDIT: Is there anyone out there thats agree with me? Or am i the only one? If I am the only one my faith in humanity just got a wrecking I think he should be killed because (yes this is a blatant stereotyping from that picture) he is a piece of chav **** who did it for the 'street cred'. Sorry if that offends anyone, but does anyone care to argue to the contrary? If he was mentally ill, he wouldn't be dressed like a chav with his hood up looking all 'big up', would he? --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.26 20:29:00 - [53] Edited by: Jago Kain on 26/10/2007 20:35:46 Originally by: lofty29 I think he should be killed because (yes this is a blatant stereotyping from that picture) he is a piece of chav **** who did it for the 'street cred'. Sorry if that offends anyone, but does anyone care to argue to the contrary? If he was mentally ill, he wouldn't be dressed like a chav with his hood up looking all 'big up', would he? Are you trying to tell us that anyone who turns up to a court appearance in a hoody, knowing how the media view folk who wear this type of garment, is all there? I'd say he was a few sandwiches, and probably a scotch-egg or two, short of a picnic at the very least. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.26 20:32:00 - [54] Personally I feel, removing the offending organ, and any associated body parts would be adequate punishment. But truth is though, that no matter how horrible it is what he did. The fact that people don't actually do anything about it, is the truelly sad thing. There's something horribly wrong with our society that we produce both the people that do these kind of things, and the people that stand there watching it being done.
Mudkest MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.10.26 20:53:00 - [55] all I can think about, is wishing DUI would be a 3 year punishable offense as well... ----- GIEV custom ship paint jobs! I want my hello-kitty-kessie! For your safety do not destroy vital testing apparatus
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.26 21:09:00 - [56] Originally by: Jago Kain Edited by: Jago Kain on 26/10/2007 20:35:46 Originally by: lofty29 I think he should be killed because (yes this is a blatant stereotyping from that picture) he is a piece of chav **** who did it for the 'street cred'. Sorry if that offends anyone, but does anyone care to argue to the contrary? If he was mentally ill, he wouldn't be dressed like a chav with his hood up looking all 'big up', would he? Are you trying to tell us that anyone who turns up to a court appearance in a hoody, knowing how the media view folk who wear this type of garment, is all there? I'd say he was a few sandwiches, and probably a scotch-egg or two, short of a picnic at the very least. They're not mentally disabled enough to not know what they're doing though. Want to mock a dying person? Die yourself --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.10.26 21:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Xoria Krint Edited by: Xoria Krint on 26/10/2007 17:35:08 Originally by: lofty29 Another reason the death sentence should be re-instated everywhere. Originally by: Sorted should be ***** hung tbfh ...... Do you guys really mean that? That you should kill a guy that is urination on a dying woman? IF you are urinating on a dying woman you are probably SICK and need help. And if you have a latent psychos (you can't know it before) that gets trigged by Drugs/Stress it could even have been YOU urinating on that woman. Something is clearly wrong in the guys head. He did a terrible thing. But killing him won't help anyone... EDIT: Is there anyone out there thats agree with me? Or am i the only one? If I am the only one my faith in humanity just got a wrecking I'm sick and tired of all this hand holding that society seems to think it needs to do with human filth like the man in that article. Stop sitting back and thinking how someone can be so cruel, and how you can help them after the victim has alright suffered, and in this case, died. Would you stroke a rapists hair after he just violated your mother/sister/daughter, or would you find the biggest *** stick you can get your mitts around and beat him until the authorities arrive to pull you off him? Whatever happened to doing the right thing? There is never any confusion about whether it was acceptable, you knew in your ***** bones that it was the right thing to do. People like this man been to cut from society, not unlike the cancer they emulate, for the good of the whole.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God O X I D E	Posted - 2007.10.26 21:44:00 - [58] What a bastard! Rot in prison
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 21:54:00 - [59] As far as the ppl watching I would not judge them too harshly. Think about. You walk up on this scene, you have no idea whats going on, you're thinking "this has to be some sort of gag, that woman could not possibly be on the ground dying, maybe they're filming Jackass : The Movie part 3" and so you just sit there and watch this stupidity until the cops arrive and you realize its not a gag, they're not filming a reality show, this really did just happen.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.10.27 01:59:00 - [60] Quote: "However, those who stood by and did nothing to stop Anderson are also guilty in our eyes. "It beggars belief that these people chose not only to condone his cruelty, but also to walk away from a neighbour who was clearly in distress and needed help." qft Quote: That's a bit crazy, he didn't kill/assault the lady. That sounds like a civil lawsuit that the family could win, I don't see a reason to have such a long prison sentence. He urinated on her while she was dying. Yes, he might not have known she was dying. But the result is it's taken any kind of dignity away from her death. How the hell must her family feel knowing that her last moments were spent being **ed on? sucks that the guy who attacked an elderly man for 'being in the way' on a tram didn't get a prison sentence but this is heartening: Quote:** Police said two school children who were on the tram chased Gordon. They later gave evidence against him. At least they didn't stand there and do nothing. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Lady Sylphi	Posted - 2007.10.27 12:54:00 - [61] Caid Lemant is schooling you all.
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.27 13:03:00 - [62] Another thing that nobody has mentioned yet is that, at least in the UK, prisons are nowhere near tough enough. It is well known that a lot of prisons are more comfortable than the living accommodation of quite a lot of law-abiding people - with well-equipped gyms, TV in the cells, comfy clothes provided, food supplied for just about any special diet you care to name, and so on ad nauseam. One possible way to make prison more of a deterrent; make them wear ill-fitting, scratchy and highly distinctive uniforms (whatever happened to the Broad Arrow?) and lead them out, every day, to do hard, unpleasant physical work for 12-14 hours. The traditional rock-breaking would do fine. And serve them disgusting food with no provision for special diets except perhaps on medical grounds - eat what's given or starve, your choice. I am quite sure that less people would end up back in jail after leaving. That sheriff in Arizona has the right idea. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 13:35:00 - [63] Edited by: Jago Kain on 27/10/2007 13:37:00 Edited by: Jago Kain on 27/10/2007 13:36:42 Originally by: vanBuskirk Another thing that nobody has mentioned yet is that, at least in the UK, prisons are nowhere near tough enough. It is well known that a lot of prisons are more comfortable than the living accommodation of quite a lot of law-abiding people - with well-equipped gyms, TV in the cells, comfy clothes provided, food supplied for just about any special diet you care to name, and so on ad nauseam. One possible way to make prison more of a deterrent; make them wear ill-fitting, scratchy and highly distinctive uniforms (whatever happened to the Broad Arrow?) and lead them out, every day, to do hard, unpleasant physical work for 12-14 hours. The traditional rock-breaking would do fine. And serve them disgusting food with no provision for special diets except perhaps on medical grounds - eat what's given or starve, your choice. I am quite sure that less people would end up back in jail after leaving. That sheriff in Arizona has the right idea. You Sir have no idea about the nature of UK prisons and more importantly about rehabilitation. Ever been in a UK nick? Take a trip to Walton in Liverpool, or Oakham in Leicestershire. No colour TVs in the cells there and they are 3/4 to a room designed by Victorians to hold 2. Not pleasant. Prison does not work. If you treat people like animals, they will behave like animals. Every study done on the subject confirms this, and you only have to compare recidivism rates of the USA's prisons (much harsher than UK) to ours to see the end result. Fortunately for the UK, vanBuskirk isn't running the Prison Service here, and the recent moves towards community based punishments for offenders and for REHABILITATION of offenders actually doing time are starting to show some results. Where the new programmes have been implemented, recidivism rates are down. Isn't that what it's about? Turning criminals into non-criminals? A lot of folk are in Prison for drug related offences and things like non-payment of fines, particularly amongst the female prison population. A bit of understanding of the root causes of the problems and a helping hand in the right direction when they get out makes a huge difference. Prison is not supposed to be all about punishment; that's not constructive and won't work. It's about education and rehabilitation as well. Sorry if the moral minority finds this view unpalatable, but do a little bit of research and you'll see where the truth lies. edit: by the way vanBustop... didn't I previously point out to you that violence was often the first* resort of the incompetent? way to prove my point chap.* ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.10.27 13:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Sehanine Edited by: Sehanine on 26/10/2007 16:30:57 The fact that a crowd gathered and no-one stepped in is even worse imo every time someone does step in it evens there live too!
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.10.27 13:50:00 - [65] Prison is supposed to be a place where you pay for your crimes, not a place where you can watch tv, play games, get warm food,... A lot of homeless people have it worse than the current guys in jail. Imagine what it'd take "NOT" to do a crime if you know things can only get better for you. I say go back to the system with water and old moldy bread in a dungeon-like environment. All this reabilitationcrap isn't worth anything. they just nod yes until they get out and they'll be back to robbing placing and dealing drugs within a day.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:17:00 - [66] Originally by: RedClaws Prison is supposed to be a place where you pay for your crimes, not a place where you can watch tv, play games, get warm food,... A lot of homeless people have it worse than the current guys in jail. Imagine what it'd take "NOT" to do a crime if you know things can only get better for you. I say go back to the system with water and old moldy bread in a dungeon-like environment. All this reabilitationcrap isn't worth anything. they just nod yes until they get out and they'll be back to robbing placing and dealing drugs within a day. Good gravy! Yet another ill-informed, reactionary nubbin spouting right-wing propoganda. I suppose it is my own fault for not providing even one link and actually expecting folk to look into the matter they are discussing. OK, in an attempt to correct my oversight, here's a link for the lazy. Just the one, as I don't want to tire them out with excessive reading of big words. Rehabilitation and support of prisoners works. There are plenty more out there, two mins with google will find you some. Please have a look about folks, the information is out there and it's not that difficult to find. There is absolutely no reason for so many to be so ill-informed. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:28:00 - [67] Edited by: Thorliaron on 27/10/2007 14:29:08 Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: RedClaws Prison is supposed to be a place where you pay for your crimes, not a place where you can watch tv, play games, get warm food,... A lot of homeless people have it worse than the current guys in jail. Imagine what it'd take "NOT" to do a crime if you know things can only get better for you. I say go back to the system with water and old moldy bread in a dungeon-like environment. All this reabilitationcrap isn't worth anything. they just nod yes until they get out and they'll be back to robbing placing and dealing drugs within a day. Good gravy! Yet another ill-informed, reactionary nubbin spouting right-wing propoganda. I suppose it is my own fault for not providing even one link and actually expecting folk to look into the matter they are discussing. OK, in an attempt to correct my oversight, here's a link for the lazy. Just the one, as I don't want to tire them out with excessive reading of big words. Rehabilitation and support of prisoners works. There are plenty more out there, two mins with google will find you some. Please have a look about folks, the information is out there and it's not that difficult to find. There is absolutely no reason for so many to be so ill-informed. Im not paying taxes so ***** hippies like you can help people who cant follow simple laws of the lands, holding their hands, touching their hair,telling them you love them no matter what crime they commit. PLEASE. This ** should be **ed on when we induce a heart attack on him, and the bloke who punched a OAP should be repeatedly beaten once he reaches oap status. Id rather my taxes went towards the nhs,police and education rather then help people who have been in prison!. Oh and the zero tolerance is the only thing i agree with on that link, the rest sound like Labour lies
Corphus The NewOrder BORG Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:42:00 - [68] Originally by: lofty29 Another reason the death sentence should be re-instated everywhere. it is not ours to decide about life or death. no crime allows us to judge or to do so. thinking otherwise makes man to what he treats with the harshest punichment, the criminal itself. nations made laws for not dealing with criminlas like a horde of marauding animals lynching the bad guy. we installed a law system in order to deal with scum according to humane rules even if some other nations understand "humane" in a totally different context. this is a good start called humanizm, and if we are lucky it will someday save all our asses.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:47:00 - [69] Originally by: Thorliaron Im not paying taxes so ***** hippies like you can help people who cant follow simple laws of the lands, holding their hands, touching their hair,telling them you love them no matter what crime they commit. PLEASE. This ** should be ed on when we induce a heart attack on him, and the bloke who punched a OAP should be repeatedly beaten once he reaches oap status. Id rather my taxes went towards the nhs,police and education rather then help people who have been in prison!. Oh and the zero tolerance is the only thing i agree with on that link, the rest sound like Labour lies Couple of points here. Firstly, I am not, as you so eloquently put it, a ***** hippy. There are a fair few folk in various parts of the UK with anything from bruises to broken noses who will attest to the consequences of having made that particular mistake. In my defence, I will add that I have never struck a fellow human being in anything other than self-defense. My respect for the basic human rights of another is not limited to those who have not fallen foul of the criminal justice system. Violence and dis-respect begets more violence and dis-respect. At some point the cycle must be broken and, currently, not enough is being done in this direction. Many of the worst recidivists in the criminal justice system come from backgrounds of poiverty and poor education. Denying them a chance to improve themselves before release won't work; it doesn't make the underlying causes of criminal behaviour go away. All that a prison sentance with no attempt at rehab will do is institutionalise the offender, AND make it more difficult for them to get along on the outside. Ever try getting a job with a criminal record? It costs nearly 40k/year to keep someone in prison in the UK. If we increase the number of prison places, where is all the extra cash going to come from? I'd appreciate your input on this mater, as it seems to be something that you feel strongly about. I believe that if we all work together to solve a problem, that there is nothing we cannot accomplish. Simply barging in here and insulting me because my opinion doffers from yours is not going to sort anything out is it? A little more thought and a little less ill-conceived propoganda please. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:53:00 - [70] I used to be in prison in 1994/1995 (I live in Hungary, East Europe) and, if it gives any relief to you, people like this do suffer while being there. Now of course prisons can be different state by state but I doubt that basic social attitude towards each other would be that much different. Let me give you a short story that includes such a person with stunning similarities: During my unwanted stay I had the "pleasure" of meeting a guy who, with his accomplices, dragged a young boy to a river where they tied him up, burned him with cig butts, urinated on him and finally drowned him to death. So, one day when we had our mandatory walk in the prison yard I suddenly noticed that the usual background noise of casual talk between inmates dropped. This man had been led into the yard by a guard. The guy just stood there close to the door not looking at anyone. I didn't recognize him so I asked someone who told me he was the guy who did the stuff I've described at the beginning of my post. Ofc I knew about the case as TV was allowed in the cells only I didn't recognize the guy by face. A few socially less moderate inmates encircled him and started to call him names and eventually some of them started to hit and kick him. As he fell these guys just kept kicking him to no end. Now the yard was enclosed by a four meters high wall with a narrow passageway on the top of it for guards to walk on. Sure enough a guard came along and stopped right above the crowd with his rifle in hand and looked down (the incident occured next to the wall near the gate). The inmates moved further away to indicate they have ceased their hostility towards the prisoner. As the guy had been laying there the guard bent over the barbed wire, and as the guy looked up at him the guard spat on him and made his way back out of sight. That night I heard that guy screaming. I never heard man screaming before. Eventually he was taken away to some other penitentiary. There are other stories but this one I felt the most interesting to share. I was in there for armed robbery by the way, complicated story and not relevant really. I served my time then I went on with my life. So people like this do suffer for the cruel acts they commit.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:58:00 - [71] Originally by: Jago Kain Edited by: Jago Kain on 27/10/2007 14:51:58 Edited by: Jago Kain on 27/10/2007 14:48:35 edited for the usualk por speling and grammir.. twice now... i really must sack my proof-reader Originally by: Thorliaron Im not paying taxes so ***** hippies like you can help people who cant follow simple laws of the lands, holding their hands, touching their hair,telling them you love them no matter what crime they commit. PLEASE. This ** should be ed on when we induce a heart attack on him, and the bloke who punched a OAP should be repeatedly beaten once he reaches oap status. Id rather my taxes went towards the nhs,police and education rather then help people who have been in prison!. Oh and the zero tolerance is the only thing i agree with on that link, the rest sound like Labour lies Couple of points here. Firstly, I am not, as you so eloquently put it, a *** hippy. There are a fair few folk in various parts of the UK with anything from bruises to broken noses who will attest to the consequences of having made that particular mistake. In my defence, I will add that I have never struck a fellow human being in anything other than self-defense. My respect for the basic human rights of another is not limited to those who have not fallen foul of the criminal justice system. Violence and dis-respect begets more violence and dis-respect. At some point the cycle must be broken and, currently, not enough is being done in this direction. Many of the worst recidivists in the criminal justice system come from backgrounds of poverty and poor education. Denying them a chance to improve themselves before release won't work; it doesn't make the underlying causes of criminal behaviour go away. All that a prison sentance with no attempt at rehab will do is institutionalise the offender, AND make it more difficult for them to get along on the outside. Ever try getting a job with a criminal record? It costs nearly 40k/year to keep someone in prison in the UK. If we increase the number of prison places, where is all the extra cash going to come from? I'd appreciate your input on this matter, as it seems to be something that you feel strongly about. I believe that if we all work together to solve a problem, that there is nothing we cannot accomplish. Simply barging in here and insulting me because my opinion differs from yours is not going to sort anything out is it? A little more thought and a little less ill-concieved propoganda please.** You hippy. Dont do the crime if you can't do the time and then suffer from the consequences?.. It's a harsh world people, deal with it. I see you post the same thing in every post ' ill-concived propoganda'..is everything not propoganda these days? everyone working towards they own goals?, if you believe people want to help people in todays Britain i will have some of what your smoking mate!
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:58:00 - [72] Originally by: Xoria Krint Edited by: Xoria Krint on 26/10/2007 17:35:08 Originally by: lofty29 Another reason the death sentence should be re-instated everywhere. Originally by: Sorted should be ******* hung tbfh ...... Do you guys really mean that? That you should kill a guy that is urination on a dying woman? IF you are urinating on a dying woman you are probably SICK and need help. And if you have a latent psychos (you can't know it before) that gets trigged by Drugs/Stress it could even have been YOU urinating on that woman. Something is clearly wrong in the guys head. He did a terrible thing. But killing him won't help anyone... EDIT: Is there anyone out there thats agree with me? Or am i the only one? If I am the only one my faith in humanity just got a wrecking In retrospect, hanging is too good for him and many other that rot in jail for a few jears, only to be relased and destroy someone elses life. I ever did something on that level I would hope that someone would end my life for me. (wether I was ill or otherwise) Doing something on that level does not automatically qualifiy you as menetally ill, some people are just bastards. Sorted
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:02:00 - [73] Originally by: Thorliaron ...is everything not propoganda these days? everyone working towards they own goals?, if you believe people want to help people in todays Britain i will have some of what your smoking mate! A valid point. Would you like to furnish us with some propoganda that backs your opinion up, or are you just going to froth until they come to take you away? I am currently smoking Golden Virginia, and you can find this at most off-licenses and newsagents in the UK, so feel free to try it for yourself. I would advise against this, as it's actually quite bad for you, but you did ask. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:04:00 - [74] Edited by: Thorliaron on 27/10/2007 15:07:46 Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: Thorliaron ...is everything not propoganda these days? everyone working towards they own goals?, if you believe people want to help people in todays Britain i will have some of what your smoking mate! A valid point. Would you like to furnish us with some propoganda that backs your opinion up, or are you just going to froth until they come to take you away? I am currently smoking Golden Virginia, becuase im a chav and you can find this at most off-licenses and newsagents in the UK, so feel free to try it for yourself. I would advise against this, as it's actually quite bad for you, but you did ask. can you show me hard evidence that telling crims you love them and showering them with hugs and kisses and flowers converts them? . Cant you afford straights?
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:20:00 - [75] Edited by: Jago Kain on 27/10/2007 15:21:44 Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: Thorliaron ...is everything not propoganda these days? everyone working towards they own goals?, if you believe people want to help people in todays Britain i will have some of what your smoking mate! A valid point. Would you like to furnish us with some propoganda that backs your opinion up, or are you just going to froth until they come to take you away? I am currently smoking Golden Virginia, and you can find this at most off-licenses and newsagents in the UK, so feel free to try it for yourself. I would advise against this, as it's actually quite bad for you, but you did ask. worked for kfc and smoke roll ups, i can only assume you proberly read the sun newspaper aswell. Assumption is the mother of all mistakes, or something like that. I don't read The Sun. First you accuse me of hand-holding criminals and then of reading the Sun. I'm not aware if you know about the editorial direction of that particular rag, but I'd say that the two were incompatible. There is also the matter of the Sun's coverage of the tragedy at Hillsborough, their coverage of the Miner's Strike, their coverage of the Travellers problem and a myriad other "little" lies, half-truths and insinuations that I find unpalatable. To save you a little time, I don't read The Mail or The Telegraph instead. There are various reasons I smoke roll-ups. The main one is that I am a drug addict and find it difficult to stop. In this case, the drug is nicotine and legal, but hey. I find the smell of tailor mades disgusting, even though I used to smoke Bensons, and it makes me retch. In addition, my old chap is small and inactive enough already. Do I really need the ****tail of saltpeter and other nasties that are in tailor mades and not roll-ups to make this worse? I would prefer to smoke nothing but fine cigars, hand rolled on the thighs of a Cuban lovely, but unfortunately, my budget won't stretch to that. Possibly I should clarify the KFC situation, although this hardly seems relevant. I was, at the time, a LGV driver working for an agency in the Nottingham area. I did a few days for the KFC depot, before asking the agency not to send me there again as the vehicles were of an unroadworthy condition and I felt that I wasn't safe. I was also asked by the transport manager at KFC to override the hours regulations governing the movement of LGVs, something which can attract a custodial sentance if there was to be an accident whilst doing it. As I didn't fancy a spell in prison, being pilloried by folk just like you, I said no. Thus; I never worked for KFC. I worked for an agency who worked for KFC. Have you anything useful to add? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.*
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:35:00 - [76] This thread shows everything that's wrong with humanity. Problem is , very few of the posters here realize they are no better than the subject of that news item. Those who flame the only voice of reason in this thread , deserve to be flamed , but it's against the rules anyway. I have nothing but contempt for their bigoted , baseless self-righteousness. Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:57:00 - [77] Hand the prisons over to our military. They know how to run a prison in the UK. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:14:00 - [78] Originally by: Thorliaron can you show me hard evidence that telling crims you love them and showering them with hugs and kisses and flowers converts them? . Cant you afford straights? I'm not sure that I actually advocated showering offenders with hugs and kisses. Aside from anything else, this would probably constitute sexual assault and may entitle me to a spell at the establishment they recently vacated. I'm also pretty sure I never used the word love. I might have harped on the subject of respect for human rights, but that's not quite the same thing is it? Or is it? Have you no love for your fellow human beings? Here's a government report on rehabilitation of prisoners. that highlights some of the points I've made. Quite interesting reading if you can be bothered to wade through it. I'd skip to the conclusions section if I were you. Here's another one on rehabilitation of prisoners.. Here's a link attesting to the link between poor education and criminality. I would like to draw your attention to the phrase "The Social Exclusion Unit has concluded that re-offending by ex-prisoners costs society at least ú11 billion per year" which gives a clear indication of what exactly the failure to rehabilitate prisoners is costing us, the taxpayers, in purely financial terms. I could go on, but this is enough for now. You will note that the governement reports say that implementation of rehab programmes is patchy and there is no nationwide policy regarding it. In other words, it's not been tried properly and consistently and is still in it's infancy. Have you got a link to anything that says that shutting people up and treating them like dirt actually reduces offending? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Xurx Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:22:00 - [79] sick
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:29:00 - [80] Death penalty is overkill. Bring back the stocks! Public humiliation might well be a better deterrent than prison. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Lewter Vandros Gallente Split Infinity	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:37:00 - [81] when someone commits a crime against a society they should loose all rights assosiated with that society. prison is a punishment and should be as such, not a rehabilitation center we have those allready when they get out of prison they should attend a rehab centerm but while in prison they should be punished.
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:50:00 - [82] Was this guy put in jail because the woman died, or because what he did was wrong? I think the former and that was not his fault.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 18:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Lewter Vandros when someone commits a crime against a society they should loose all rights assosiated with that society. prison is a punishment and should be as such, not a rehabilitation center we have those allready when they get out of prison they should attend a rehab centerm but while in prison they should be punished. One of the professed intentions of a prison sentance is rehabilitation. Would it not make better sense and save time to do both whilst they are in there? You can then guarantee no missed appointments at least. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Tittie Celeste	Posted - 2007.10.27 19:33:00 - [84] they never did upload that video to YouTube :(
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:18:00 - [85] Alright then how about a good burning at the stake? or a good flogging in public? maybe even the gallows?
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:20:00 - [86] Originally by: Shin Ra Was this guy put in jail because the woman died, or because what he did was wrong? I think the former and that was not his fault. Letting a fellow human die by not calling a ambulance can get you jailed in most contrys and then what he did to her didnt exactly make it better "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:55:00 - [87] Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 27/10/2007 20:59:10 Originally by: Shin Ra Was this guy put in jail because the woman died, or because what he did was wrong? I think the former and that was not his fault. Allowing a person to die, through inaction, is as bad as murder wouldn't you say? But NOT ONLY did he allow her to die. He made her last moments on earth a humiliating, painful ordeal for no reason other than his own amusement. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Saya Hime	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:39:00 - [88] For those interested : International Centre for Prison Studies
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:54:00 - [89] Originally by: Shin Ra Was this guy put in jail because the woman died, or because what he did was wrong? I think the former and that was not his fault. Read the reason for his imprisonment, it isn't because the woman died. -------------------------------------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE!

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