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PrettyGirlsMakeGraves
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:23:00 -
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The Ishtar is a cruiser sized ship that can field battleship sized weapons (5 heavy drones - 125m3 bandwidth) and when you add a few overdrives on it, it can be almost impossible to kill. No other HAC can really compare to the DPS it can put out except the Deimos but that can't be fit to be uncatchable. A small gang of them teamed up with a claymore are almost unstoppable.
Anyone else agree?
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Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:27:00 -
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It's gallente, so yes.
Nerf it to hell! 
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Sir Dancealot
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:27:00 -
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no.
 Originally by: Incantare
Thread does not deliver. I was expecting a story, funny, surprising or otherwise interesting. Instead I got to read Kehmor's smacking. Awesome.
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Captain Sonata
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:29:00 -
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^Sometimes no means yes.
Yes, nerf to the Gallente.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 26/10/2007 17:30:55
Dont think a nano isthar will crap my pants when flying a huggin. His heavy/med will never catch up and light dont deal enough DPS. Him doing 1% of its topspeed and me still doing 3 km/s wont help him aswell.
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Jarvin Kell
Kingdom of Kador
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:32:00 -
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Can we at least get through the ishkur, myrmidon, eos, and sensor dampener nerf first?
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Jarvin Kell
Kingdom of Kador
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:35:00 -
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Also, note the drone shield recharge change.
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CiNi
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: CiNi on 26/10/2007 17:40:54
Can we please all just have a generic ship with standard fit thats welded in place so we can be done with this nerf this nerf that pish please?
silly people thinking if you specialise in something you should be good with it, how dare you !!
nerf the word nerf !!
EDIT :: Oh, And its not nano's, its overdrives and inertia stabs !
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 26/10/2007 17:39:31
Originally by: PrettyGirlsMakeGraves
The Ishtar is a cruiser sized ship that can field battleship sized weapons (5 heavy drones - 125m3 bandwidth) and when you add a few overdrives on it, it can be almost impossible to kill. No other HAC can really compare to the DPS it can put out except the Deimos but that can't be fit to be uncatchable. A small gang of them teamed up with a claymore are almost unstoppable.
Except...if you can maintain about 1k/s, the ishtar can't bring any worthwhile firepower to bear on you.
Unless he's dumb enough to try and web you, in which case he's close enough to be webbed and...
You get the idea.
Or you can keep a wave of light drones handy and take out the ishtar's firepower in fairly short order.
Plenty of ways to render the ishtar impotent.
Terrific raid ship, nano-ishtar is, but easily discouraged or "disabled" in terms of its capacity to really do damage.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Edited by: Garreck on 26/10/2007 17:39:31
Originally by: PrettyGirlsMakeGraves
The Ishtar is a cruiser sized ship that can field battleship sized weapons (5 heavy drones - 125m3 bandwidth) and when you add a few overdrives on it, it can be almost impossible to kill. No other HAC can really compare to the DPS it can put out except the Deimos but that can't be fit to be uncatchable. A small gang of them teamed up with a claymore are almost unstoppable.
Except...if you can maintain about 1k/s, the ishtar can't bring any worthwhile firepower to bear on you.
Unless he's dumb enough to try and web you, in which case he's close enough to be webbed and...
You get the idea.
Or you can keep a wave of light drones handy and take out the ishtar's firepower in fairly short order.
Plenty of ways to render the ishtar impotent.
Terrific raid ship, nano-ishtar is, but easily discouraged or "disabled" in terms of its capacity to really do damage.
Eventhough the cerberus is slow(er), isnt the cerberus better @ this? HAM/HML + Damps + nano?
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:46:00 -
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nano ishtar is like teh vagabond, easy to counter with rapier or huginn, easy to escape as no web. you have to be pretty dumb to be killed by one tbh.
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Alia Wandin
Blue Team
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:51:00 -
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Can't kill an Ishtar because it's to fast? go traine to fly Huginn, that Ishtar pilot had put alot of time into his drone skills and his HAC, he didn't just picked it up from local, fit it and went pwning.
So instead of whining to CCP to nerf Ishtars go traine to fly minmatar Recon ship, fit couple webbers, scrambler and go hunt him down.
Learn to play!
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Malice Ravenwing
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:53:00 -
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Yes, please! While you are at it - I think blasters are waaay overpowered. they have a range of several THOUSAND meters and make my ships go pop real fast as soon as my ships come close - even though I'm using both armor and shield tanks on all my ships!
Also, please make sure to remove all drones and implement tractor beam drones. Yeah, gallente would love that.
The fact that gallente mostly uses armor tanking is waaaay off base. The amarr is supposed to be the armor tank race. Now that we have taken care of all damage associated with gallente ships, and all the EW modules that made gallente the favoured ships by approximately 1.2% margin (nos, sensor damps) and decreased drone capabilities (reducing the amount of deployable drones on gallente ships specifically) it is time to make sure gallente ships cannot fit neither speed modules nor armor tank modules. Please be sure to also remove one mid from any gallente ship with more than 3 of them.
Problem is that this still leaves the megathron with some damage, albeit with no tank. Would it be at all possible to perhaps give it the crappy split weapons system bonus and high slot layout of the lachesis?
Love ya!
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Gallente are way too powerful now that all gallente T2 ships have been nerfed. Please be so kind as to also nerf all gallente T1 ships so that they are no longer the equivalent of their T2 counterparts.
PPS
For people not realizing this post is loaded with sarcasm; I'm sorry, maybe eat more vitamins and watch less television (or perhaps read more)?
In all seriousness though, the changes done on SISI cannot be permanent or the dev responsible for the changes (even though new at the job) has a screw lose. Some of the proposed/implemented changes aren't way off base (less damage to Eos, nos nerf, still not completely convinced sensor damps were overpowered on dedicated ships although they might have been as an "extra" module on some) but this is getting ludicrous.
When can we actually get some resemblance of balance instead of exaggerated nerfbat swinging? Mind you, Gallente are far from the first race experiencing what faux pas devs unable to perform the simplest of algorithmic calculations or has no in-game experience of the game they're administrating can achieve. It takes a miniscule amount of tampering to achieve balance to a ship considered overpowered (eve when it isn't overhyped).
To the OP, sorry that this ended up in your thread - it could as easily have been someone elses. I'm just sick of the constant stream of "black and white", "pwn or sux" mentality. I'm getting convinced the devs are doing changes not because they are needed, but because they want us to notice they are being done. Instead of doing a good job of finetuned adjusting it's just "bring out the BIG axe!"
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:58:00 -
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It doesn't need to be nerfed.
I can fly one, yet I find other ships work better. Unless you're a complete idiot you'll shoot the drones and the Ishtar will run out of firepower. Scooping doesn't work so well when you're orbiting at 4k/sec and well out of scoop range.
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Aleria Angelis
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: PrettyGirlsMakeGraves
The Ishtar is a cruiser sized ship that can field battleship sized weapons (5 heavy drones - 125m3 bandwidth) and when you add a few overdrives on it, it can be almost impossible to kill. No other HAC can really compare to the DPS it can put out except the Deimos but that can't be fit to be uncatchable. A small gang of them teamed up with a claymore are almost unstoppable.
Anyone else agree?
*takes a deep breath*
Its cruiser sized but it costs the same as a BS... if it was a cruiser with the DPS of a cruiser do you realy think anyone would buy/fly it?
I have to ask how long have you been playing EVE and apart from just being ganked by a nano-ishtar how much experience have you had at PvP?
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Ronin Reborn
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:10:00 -
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I have a nano ishtar and shes a nice ship but it's also a very easy setup to counter.
Shoot....the....drones...
When an nano'd isthar ****s drones out while going 5kms in a 13-23km orbit from you those drones are basically abandoned. Can't really scoop them unless you go into web range, which is a nano no-no. It's not like ogre IIs are fast enough to catch a nano ishtar so the ship has to catch the drones moreorless. And those "BS Class Weapons" are useless against a number of things, small ships, fast ships and ships piloted by people with half a brain. It's not great at gates because of drone travel time, no good in lowsec because of sentry guns fondness for popping drones, it's really not that great in a variety of situations.
As far as it being impossible to kill, well you have to catch it to kill it, and thats the hard part. It's definately feasible though. Basically it sounds like your problem lies with nano setups more than the ishtar itself. Boo hoo.
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Mag's
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:13:00 -
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hahahaha best joke thread ever.
Had one of those pesky nano Ishtars try and attack me in my Zealot, plus his mate in a crusader.
15km web sorted the inty out, then after locking his drones, webbed and killed those too.
Drones are the weak link, that's why your post is so funny tbh.
But I'm still a nub. 
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:13:00 -
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Oh jeez another one.
OMFG a Raven can fit X-Large shield booster. WTF? Where is X-Large Armor repper?
OMFG a Vagabond can fit a 100MN MWD. That's a BS sized MWD on a cruiser! WTF? Nerf nerf nerf
Get a fraking clue you gutless alt. Just cause something is theoretically "better" does not mean it's better in practice.
An Ishtar with heavy drones... Let's see, have you ever used heavy drones? Do you know how long it takes for them to get to the target? DPS? Learn your acronyms idiot. Damage per second. If you consider the amount of seconds it would take for the heavy drones to catch to the target, the theoretical max DPS from EFT will be halved! Then those drones can be easily webbed and killed. And the nanoishtar orbitting out at distance will have a hard time trying to scoop them back in time. Once again, have you ever even tried controlling drones?
And show me one other race that leaves it's main weapon system on the field while warping out under pressure.
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Salda
Smoke Hurricane
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aleria Angelis
Originally by: PrettyGirlsMakeGraves
The Ishtar is a cruiser sized ship that can field battleship sized weapons (5 heavy drones - 125m3 bandwidth) and when you add a few overdrives on it, it can be almost impossible to kill. No other HAC can really compare to the DPS it can put out except the Deimos but that can't be fit to be uncatchable. A small gang of them teamed up with a claymore are almost unstoppable.
Anyone else agree?
*takes a deep breath*
Its cruiser sized but it costs the same as a BS... if it was a cruiser with the DPS of a cruiser do you realy think anyone would buy/fly it?
I have to ask how long have you been playing EVE and apart from just being ganked by a nano-ishtar how much experience have you had at PvP?
That sounds fun, lemme try. The Eagle is cruiser sized but it costs the same as a BS. if it was a cruiser with the DPS ofa cruiser do you REALLY think anyone would buy/fly it?
The Cerebrus is a cruiser sized but it costs the same as a BS. If *IT* was a a cruiser with the dps of a cruiser, do you REALLY think anyone would buy/fly it?
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Salda
Smoke Hurricane
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav
Oh jeez another one.
OMFG a Raven can fit X-Large shield booster. WTF? Where is X-Large Armor repper?
OMFG a Vagabond can fit a 100MN MWD. That's a BS sized MWD on a cruiser! WTF? Nerf nerf nerf
Get a fraking clue you gutless alt. Just cause something is theoretically "better" does not mean it's better in practice.
An Ishtar with heavy drones... Let's see, have you ever used heavy drones? Do you know how long it takes for them to get to the target? DPS? Learn your acronyms idiot. Damage per second. If you consider the amount of seconds it would take for the heavy drones to catch to the target, the theoretical max DPS from EFT will be halved! Then those drones can be easily webbed and killed. And the nanoishtar orbitting out at distance will have a hard time trying to scoop them back in time. Once again, have you ever even tried controlling drones?
And show me one other race that leaves it's main weapon system on the field while warping out under pressure.
Lol, heres what i read:
Heavy drones suck, noone ever used them. Have you ever tried to kill a heavy drone? i nuked one yesterday with a civilian rail gun. Heavy Drones are so easy to kill noone should have ever died to a heavy drone. did you read? i said heavy drones are the uber-suckage, thtas why noone has ever used heavy drones in combat.
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:46:00 -
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Yes, and make it so large shield extenders only fit on BS (it's a BS mod, buhu!), and do the same with XL boosters on BC, and 800 cap charges on non BS, and 1600mm plates on non BS, and...
Go troll somewhere else please
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Salda
Smoke Hurricane
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt
Yes, and make it so large shield extenders only fit on BS (it's a BS mod, buhu!), and do the same with XL boosters on BC, and 800 cap charges on non BS, and 1600mm plates on non BS, and...
Go troll somewhere else please
LSE: As long as you limit all Cruiser/BC to 400mm plates as well
XL Booster on BC: Go for it
800s: go for it, i prefer 400's in my cruisers, taking away 800's from the BC will also solve some of the uber CS tank issues.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:58:00 -
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haha wow, you're an idiot :)
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Ione Hunt
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:04:00 -
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Yay, less fitting variety \o/
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Shamus Kain
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt
Yay, less fitting variety \o/
Zomg, TII cruisrs still fitting all cruiser mods !
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