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Havok Pierce Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:38:00 - [1] Originally by: wovzxchuhn00000000 Subject: 2007.10.26 14:50 hi,how is everything going with u? i am Mikeal,from [sitename withdrawn].Welcome to [sitename withdrawn] for a nice visit.if u need some EVE ISK,houoned to give my best service to u! [sitename withdrawn] have been a professional ISK trader for several years: 1,Lowest price($5.12/100Mil $152.02/3000Mil) and enjoy another 5% discount while filling in my code 2010. 2,Safe payment.Paypal can be used for u to pay!as we know,paypal is one of the safest fastest and most widespread payment methods of the world.u should give ur fullest trust to it. 3,Fast ISK delivery.First We have a very wide goods supply,which can give us material guarantee.Second faster and faster delivery is our always aim,which can give us spirit guarantee. 4,24/7 online service.any questions,freely call our "Online Support".or contact me(E-Mail or MSN:[sitename withdrawn]) ok,sry to bother u.have fun and take care! I filed a petition under "Community", what can you people do to curb this kind of BS? Just banning the accounts, of course, apparently doesn't work. They make more. You should get together with your techs and legal eagles and see how crazy you can get and still not run afoul of law. Random ideas (not prechecked for lunacy): -) Keep a hash of CC#s used to activate accounts tucked away somewhere (it's a hash, someone's not going to be able to grab your cc info from it). Deny outright the payment for heinous acts against the EVE community (and yes, spam definitely counts as a heinous act) and ISK selling. Use the same hash to kill ALL accounts belonging to that person, AND the purchase of GTCs. -) Deny trial account members from sending mail. -) If an account is banned for ISK selling, nail his IP to the wall.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:39:00 - [2] welcome to last year just wait until you make it to this year! I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:39:00 - [3] Is there any way I can also petition them for offences to grammar?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:40:00 - [4] Edited by: Tarminic on 26/10/2007 17:40:51 Originally by: Havok Pierce -) Keep a hash of CC#s used to activate accounts tucked away somewhere (it's a hash, someone's not going to be able to grab your cc info from it). Deny outright the payment for heinous acts against the EVE community (and yes, spam definitely counts as a heinous act) and ISK selling. Use the same hash to kill ALL accounts belonging to that person, AND the purchase of GTCs. Not a bad idea, but these people generally use stolen credit cards and this doesn't work if they use GTCs. Quote: -) Deny trial account members from sending mail. Too harsh on trial users - remember, they're not a second class. Quote: -) If an account is banned for ISK selling, nail his IP to the wall. Proxies make this unproductive - they would be able to change their IP addresses easily. EDIT: Props for making suggestions instead of whining. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Tarminic Too harsh on trial users - remember, they're not a second class. I made a trial to see if I could get online a little over a month ago. The problem was that there are only x slots for trial users and the isk farmers use them all up. So, trial users are actually being denied access. I only tried it because a co-worker wanted to try eve and he told me that he gave up trying because, well, he could not get on and I was in denial.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:55:00 - [6] There's a Community petition category?? We are doing some things about these people, but the thing about combating this most efficiently is that we can't really reveal everything we do. The anti fraud system introduced in billing a while ago was one of them. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:58:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category?? We are doing some things about these people, but the thing about combating this most efficiently is that we can't really reveal everything we do. The anti fraud system introduced in billing a while ago was one of them. Then why am I seeing the guys you said were banned, online? Why are we seeing contracts used to launder trillions of isk a month? if WE see it this easily then its out of control.
Barakkus	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:00:00 - [8] SOE implemented an EXCELLENT spam filter on chat and mail for EQ2, no spam, and i mean absolutely NO spam gets through and it's REALLY rare if someone gets mis-identified as a spammer...
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:01:00 - [9] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 26/10/2007 18:02:54 Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category?? We are doing some things about these people, but the thing about combating this most efficiently is that we can't really reveal everything we do. The anti fraud system introduced in billing a while ago was one of them. Fair enough...but aside from the weekly thread about some tool getting thier wallet zapped to -billions how far are you going with the inDUHviduals who buy ISK? If the market is that big supporting such dubious characters like WWW COM, Just ReMarried, and Freshly Soaked etc there must be a ton of buying going on wouldn't ya say? "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Havok Pierce Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:02:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category?? Congrats, Wrangler, you just made my sig. And yes, there is. It's under "Other Issues" Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Barakkus SOE implemented an EXCELLENT spam filter on chat and mail for EQ2, no spam, and i mean absolutely NO spam gets through and it's REALLY rare if someone gets mis-identified as a spammer... Do you know how said system works? I'm interested... ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
BillyBong2 Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:08:00 - [12] You think it is bad here, I fired up an old WoW account and was running a few quests. Someone pops up a group invite and i think sure, be fun. Then i get 4 group says about buying gold from their site..... I'll take what we have here, copy the email, open a petition, i have used harrassament in the past. That may not be the best, not sure. Paste the email and then let the GMs deal with them in game.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:11:00 - [13] Originally by: BillyBong2 You think it is bad here, I fired up an old WoW account and was running a few quests. Someone pops up a group invite and i think sure, be fun. Then i get 4 group says about buying gold from their site..... I'll take what we have here, copy the email, open a petition, i have used harrassament in the past. That may not be the best, not sure. Paste the email and then let the GMs deal with them in game. Harrassment would be the correct category for this, so you are correct in using it. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Barakkus	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Barakkus on 26/10/2007 18:13:55 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Barakkus SOE implemented an EXCELLENT spam filter on chat and mail for EQ2, no spam, and i mean absolutely NO spam gets through and it's REALLY rare if someone gets mis-identified as a spammer... Do you know how said system works? I'm interested... i believe the dev that created it used a database and some patterning, their filters were partly built from a /report mechanism put in place for the users to report spam with...the spam went from 10-15 /tells an hour to absolutely 0, with little to no false positives unless someone was specifically trying to trigger the spam filters...they also ban the accounts once they investigate people getting picked up by the spam filters. they're very careful about not banning legit people... here's the thread that they used for feedback on the filters: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=373689
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:14:00 - [15] Originally by: BillyBong2 You think it is bad here, I fired up an old WoW account and was running a few quests. Someone pops up a group invite and i think sure, be fun. Then i get 4 group says about buying gold from their site..... I'll take what we have here, copy the email, open a petition, i have used harrassament in the past. That may not be the best, not sure. Paste the email and then let the GMs deal with them in game. Half of the issue is that I can fire up the forums on a given day or even hour and there is at least 2 isk farmer spam or isk farmer network posts on these forums from random people. The price of isk has plummeted meaning there is either no demand, or supply is really high. Based on the number of farmers I find on a DAILY BASIS i would say that supply has gone past cloud 9.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 26/10/2007 18:13:55 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Barakkus SOE implemented an EXCELLENT spam filter on chat and mail for EQ2, no spam, and i mean absolutely NO spam gets through and it's REALLY rare if someone gets mis-identified as a spammer... Do you know how said system works? I'm interested... i believe the dev that created it used a database and some patterning, their filters were partly built from a /report mechanism put in place for the users to report spam with...the spam went from 10-15 /tells an hour to absolutely 0, with little to no false positives unless someone was specifically trying to trigger the spam filters...they also ban the accounts once they investigate people getting picked up by the spam filters. they're very careful about not banning legit people... here's the thread that they used for feedback on the filters: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=373689 Well it's a good idea in theory, but it wouldn't work very well in EVE due to the mechanics involved...not too long ago I had a conversation with Prism X on this actually. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Abyssal Angel Caldari Solar Wind	Posted - 2007.10.26 18:32:00 - [17] On that subject, one good thig WOW implemented that EVE could get some ideas from was an easy shortcut form of petition. The petition would work like a normal petition, except that it would go into a seperate pile which was very closely monitored. People spamming goldsales in local would find themselves petitioned 50 times within the first minute of their sales speech. This meant that the gm's would have adequate info to take actions right away and deal with the guy before he was influencing other peoples gaming experience for more than a few minutes. 'm not saying that anything WOW does, EVE must do too, but please try and see this peititon form for what it was, a petition reserved for goldsellers only, if you tried to do it on "normal players" no action would be taken. Fixed Yay! have a cookie - Deckard Originally by: CCP PrismX My name is Prism X and I support this message.
Baleur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:20:00 - [18] "which can give us spirit guarantee" Spirit guarantee? What is that exactly? Is it some sort of guarantee that my spirit will reach heaven when i die? For only 5 bucks?! Thats a hell of a deal! ------------------------- This post represents my entire corporation's views and opinions. ;>
Jatonix Target Practice Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:47:00 - [19] Edited by: Jatonix on 26/10/2007 19:47:40 Remove mail on trial members - period. I don't see why someone testing the game needs to send emails anyway. Or maybe make an option for someone to "block" emails from trial members.
Cold illusion	Posted - 2007.10.26 20:24:00 - [20] I got one of those too... Quote: 2007.09.16 00:32 Dear Player, It is with great pleasure when we contact with u. At the time of our new website: [sitename withdrawn] , there are happy donations which can help us together to emerge a win-win situation. We earnestly your pleasant voyage in the game and also the true life. Come on and join us right now. The only way to tell u if u like it is buying it. That's sure to be your best choice. The VIP Account number: 12345, Password: 12345. (5% discount if you use it.) Wish you become more powerful. Thanx u. Yours, I leave it in my inbox mainly because it puts a smile on my face to see how much they fail... But anyway, maybe not outright stopping trial accounts from sending eve-mails, but how about some sort of limit, say maybe 1 mail every 24 hours or so? Or, how about they can ONLY send mails to people who have them on their buddy list.

Dr Aryandi Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:11:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: BillyBong2 You think it is bad here, I fired up an old WoW account and was running a few quests. Someone pops up a group invite and i think sure, be fun. Then i get 4 group says about buying gold from their site..... I'll take what we have here, copy the email, open a petition, i have used harrassament in the past. That may not be the best, not sure. Paste the email and then let the GMs deal with them in game. Harrassment would be the correct category for this, so you are correct in using it. Can I suggest a very simple 'right click, report isk spammer' option be added to chat channels and mail that both blocks the person in question and automatically petitions them. You should also appoint player volunteers in the various noob corp and help channels with the power to block people from all channels and report them to a GM for immediate review. Having created a few new alts at the moment the spam problem is horrific - all the noob help and corp channels are flooded with the adverts and I recieved multiple mails to each character. Blueprint Research Service Available See thread for details.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:19:00 - [22] All these things have been discussed before. Wrangler, the gripe is this: For all that you've done: 1. How many people just like me have seen either a.) no decrease in channel spam or b.) an increase in channel spam? 2. How many people just like me are getting just as many or more spam EVEmails? I'm sure you guys have some neat things worked out, but the problem isn't getting better.
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:41:00 - [23] I get at least one spam mail per day.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:42:00 - [24] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 26/10/2007 23:42:21 I never got a trial account... I did something wrong and started paying immediately for playing I say take em out of the game but I know you guys wont Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:04:00 - [25] I get at least several of these a week. I just copy the mail, open petition window, and send out an exploit petition. A GM responds usually in less than 5 minutes. OFC, it stops nothing really, but if they're going to waste my time, I'm going to waste some of theirs.
Owi Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.10.27 09:11:00 - [26] Edited by: Owi on 27/10/2007 09:12:23 Im totaly agree with this ISK spamming / farming BS. But allso i like to say ..CCP do atlast something. We had few NPC Farmers out where i live (0.0). After trying blowem up few times over 2-3 months - breakin thyre farming - good training for us and our new pvp recruits ^^ and a few petitions they not there anylonger. Well maybe they moved or got banned .. but a little Victory in the deep against this War. :) Im happy they left.. loottable increased alot since they left. Keep up petition / fight against them. Owi My EvE-Files.com folder !
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.10.27 09:18:00 - [27] The Trial account players have : Help channels Forum Local Conversation Corps if they ever need help. please ban Eve Mail on trial accounts, I have set my Eve Mail settings to 100,000 ISK per mail but still the ISK sellers mail me
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.27 09:21:00 - [28] Good ideas here. a. Make that trial accounts can send EVE-Mail to friends only b. Make that trial accounts can be by default blocked from EVE-Mail AND chat channels c. Raise default CSPA to 29500 because ISK farmers have now too much ISK to spend on 2950 CSPA It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2007.10.27 09:48:00 - [29] In my opinion, best solution is the following: a) when someone receives an isk selling mail, he creates a petition b) gm checks the evemail and when he agrees it's selling isk, he logs the url that's selling the isk c) any further evemail that is sent from any character that has the same url or parts of it in his evemail is simply blocked, preferably without any information to the sender so he doesn't even know his evemails don't arrive anymore This way, the offender is still busy sending out evemails and he's spending quite some time at it. However, his evemails are not bothering anyone else anymore. It might take quite a long time before he realizes that his evemails are blocked. Even if he does notice they are blocked, creating a new char/account won't work as the evemails are filtered on the url and not on because they're sent from the char. If he would get banned, he would simply create a new account and start all over.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Shadow Rebellion	Posted - 2007.10.27 11:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Agor Dirdonen In my opinion, best solution is the following: a) when someone receives an isk selling mail, he creates a petition b) gm checks the evemail and when he agrees it's selling isk, he logs the url that's selling the isk c) any further evemail that is sent from any character that has the same url or parts of it in his evemail is simply blocked, preferably without any information to the sender so he doesn't even know his evemails don't arrive anymore This way, the offender is still busy sending out evemails and he's spending quite some time at it. However, his evemails are not bothering anyone else anymore. It might take quite a long time before he realizes that his evemails are blocked. Even if he does notice they are blocked, creating a new char/account won't work as the evemails are filtered on the url and not on because they're sent from the char. If he would get banned, he would simply create a new account and start all over. This solution would be too easy for CCP or they are just too stupid to implent such simple mechanisms. They would have done it already if they wanted. Ship lovers click here



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