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Storm Strike	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:07:00 - [1] Im sorry for starting a new thread for this but i have gone through pages of the forum and search and cant find the thread. What changes are the vagas getting?
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:08:00 - [2] It's not getting changed. What gave you that idea? ___________ I learned to accept ship changes months ago. Suddenly I enjoy Eve. You should try it some time.
14882	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:09:00 - [3] why would you want to change the vagabond? it can't be killed by any other single ship and it brings FPS to EVE...exactly what we need
Xanstin Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:03:00 - [4] Originally by: 14882 why would you want to change the vagabond? it can't be killed by any other single ship and it brings FPS to EVE...exactly what we need huginn would like a word with every other overconfident vaga pilot
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:10:00 - [5] takes skill points to fly one, takes skill points to kill one i can fly one and have killed many of them
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:21:00 - [6] Edited by: LUKEC on 27/10/2007 21:24:31 Can fly one, won't buy one. I hate vaga and vagastyle in eve. It's fun though, but was more fun when you could do it with any race (miss my nanodomi)
Storm Strike	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:28:00 - [7] I was fairly certain i saw a slot layout change somewhere....
Mortis Tyrathlion Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:33:00 - [8] There was a thread where the Vaga got altered, but it was a hoax screenie.
14882	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Xanstin Originally by: 14882 why would you want to change the vagabond? it can't be killed by any other single ship and it brings FPS to EVE...exactly what we need huginn would like a word with every other overconfident vaga pilot you are either an exceptional huginn pilot or you are fighting inexperienced vagabond pilots...1 huginn will not stop a good vag because a good vag will never be caught in belt with a huginn on scan...every other scenario involves gangs or the vag being too close to a gate or station to stop it in time...you essentially have 1 second (literally) to stop a vagabond when it decloaks after a stargate jump before he just burns to the gate. A rapier might catch a ratting vagabond... I truly hate them, but to their credit, they are one of the last ships in EVE that actually fill a specialized role
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.10.28 03:11:00 - [10] Edited by: lyrenna on 28/10/2007 03:10:48 Originally by: 14882 they are one of the last ships in EVE that actually fill a specialized role they have a dedicated role, annoying peoples and they do that job quite well
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.28 03:50:00 - [11] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 27/10/2007 21:24:31 Can fly one, won't buy one. I hate vaga and vagastyle in eve. It's fun though, but was more fun when you could do it with any race (miss my nanodomi) My thoughts exactly - I can fly one, I own one, but I feel dirty one. -----------
Umit Davala Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.10.28 08:50:00 - [12] Nah, I like the vaga. Its one of the few ships where the Minmy 'racial skill' of speed actually amounts to something.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.28 09:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Umit Davala Nah, I like the vaga. Its one of the few ships where the Minmy 'racial skill' of speed actually amounts to something. true, sadly u see to many other ships trying to fill the role of the vaga these days
Starraker Vengeance Associates	Posted - 2007.10.28 10:34:00 - [14] Edited by: Starraker on 28/10/2007 10:34:21 Originally by: Storm Strike I was fairly certain i saw a slot layout change somewhere.... Originally by: Mortis Tyrathlion There was a thread where the Vaga got altered, but it was a hoax screenie. If I remember correctly it was a pick from the chaos server, the dev playground. I found a quite feasable slot change, more mid less low, so you have to choose between damage or speed. But in return active tanking would get a little more easy.
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.28 15:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Xanstin Originally by: 14882 why would you want to change the vagabond? it can't be killed by any other single ship and it brings FPS to EVE...exactly what we need huginn would like a word with every other overconfident vaga pilot Also a curse with neutralizers will make a short story of vaga if it dare to come into range of neutralizers.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.28 15:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: Xanstin Originally by: 14882 why would you want to change the vagabond? it can't be killed by any other single ship and it brings FPS to EVE...exactly what we need huginn would like a word with every other overconfident vaga pilot Also a curse with neutralizers will make a short story of vaga if it dare to come into range of neutralizers. Tbh, unless if it's nanocurse with damps, I don't think curse would actually win. And if it's at gates/station, vaga can probably crawl back (at 600m/s) to gate/station and dock.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.10.28 15:48:00 - [17] Originally by: 14882 why would you want to change the vagabond? it can't be killed by any other single ship and it brings FPS to EVE...exactly what we need My Raven would beg to differ. Ill 1 vs 1 any vaga
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:05:00 - [18] This is not the nerf you are looking for.
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:19:00 - [19] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: 14882 why would you want to change the vagabond? it can't be killed by any other single ship and it brings FPS to EVE...exactly what we need My Raven would beg to differ. Ill 1 vs 1 any vaga Hi Wildcat I would love to know how. vaga will just run, even if you manage to kill his cap with neuts. Unless we counting on vaga's pilot dumb flying, that way I believe ya, I even killed a vaga with a nanoed navy caracal.
Solid Trust Minmatar Haven Front	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:43:00 - [20] Originally by: 14882 you are either an exceptional huginn pilot or you are fighting inexperienced vagabond pilots...1 huginn will not stop a good vag because a good vag will never be caught in belt with a huginn on scan...every other scenario involves gangs or the vag being too close to a gate or station to stop it in time...you essentially have 1 second (literally) to stop a vagabond when it decloaks after a stargate jump before he just burns to the gate. So you consider a Vaga invinceable because it can get away while ratting in a belt or can burn to the gate. There are quite a number of ships that can do this and never get caught (any more then the vaga). And on a 1v1 fight (with equal skills) the Huginn can kill a Vaga pilot. Vaga is over-rated and with the introduction of the new ships with scram/web bonuses the Vaga will be in an even worse position. Sure it can still burn to the gate, but so can a lot of other ships. Even a Blockade Runner (after the recent changes) can easily get back to a gate.
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Solid Trust Originally by: 14882 you are either an exceptional huginn pilot or you are fighting inexperienced vagabond pilots...1 huginn will not stop a good vag because a good vag will never be caught in belt with a huginn on scan...every other scenario involves gangs or the vag being too close to a gate or station to stop it in time...you essentially have 1 second (literally) to stop a vagabond when it decloaks after a stargate jump before he just burns to the gate. So you consider a Vaga invinceable because it can get away while ratting in a belt or can burn to the gate. There are quite a number of ships that can do this and never get caught (any more then the vaga). And on a 1v1 fight (with equal skills) the Huginn can kill a Vaga pilot. Vaga is over-rated and with the introduction of the new ships with scram/web bonuses the Vaga will be in an even worse position. Sure it can still burn to the gate, but so can a lot of other ships. Even a Blockade Runner (after the recent changes) can easily get back to a gate. Do the new ships have web range bonus? A vaga pilot will never get in web range, even if he gets in web range a mwd burst will get him out of web range.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:29:00 - [22] Webbed vaga = dead vaga. Unless the pilot he is fighting is clueless. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Xanstin Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Ishmael Hansen Do the new ships have web range bonus? A vaga pilot will never get in web range, even if he gets in web range a mwd burst will get him out of web range. Why yes, they do. The hyena (the minmatar frigate) has pretty low skill reqs and a 20km web. They are a hell of a lot easier to train and cheaper than a huginn to boot, so are likely to see much wider use.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:32:00 - [24] Frigate at 20km from vagabond = dead frigate in ~5 seconds. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Xanstin Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Ryysa Frigate at 20km from vagabond = dead frigate in ~5 seconds. Yup. But when they're at such a low skill requirement and cheap as hell compared to a huginn, there'll be a lot more of them. Just how many nanofrigates can a vaga pop in the 30 seconds or so you have before backup arrives? That, or one hyena and one keres, for "oh **** I can't lock jack all or move" funtimes.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:44:00 - [26] Well, I am not a fan of goonswarm tactics. Also, usually when you see a crapload of small stuff in a vagabond, you gtfo pretty fast. Or... you die. There is no need for specialized frigs. Inty zerg will do just fine. Considering they're faster and all. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.10.28 19:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Ryysa Well, I am not a fan of goonswarm tactics. Also, usually when you see a crapload of small stuff in a vagabond, you gtfo pretty fast. Or... you die. There is no need for specialized frigs. Inty zerg will do just fine. Considering they're faster and all. In theory a gistii crow with a web fitted and a buddy in a BB can stop a vaga, considering vaga's agressed and BB is lucky in the EW dice roll. I could think several situations a vaga would die, unfortunately almost all of them consist of luck and/or poor vaga piloting. Well, we can always get another vaga to hunt it :)
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.28 21:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Ishmael Hansen poor vaga piloting. Exactly. It is a ship built to survive. How well it survives, only depends on pilot skill. It is fairly impossible to kill a well piloted vagabond, and I do speak from experience, as I have done pretty silly stuff with my vaga, without it dying. Unfortunately, player skill is not abundant, and if a vaga does not have a neut on, you can easily solo it with a taranis. Just takes knowledge of game mechanics, which the majority of EvE players seem to lack. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
ViperVenom Labteck Corporation LTD. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2007.10.28 21:53:00 - [29] Ummm a Huginn/Rapier will Pwn a Vaga. The Rapier has wet papper bag dps but Efun to Pwn a Vaga. Been there done it Boo CCP!!!! --CCP is run by Bush/Cheany--
Solid Trust Minmatar Haven Front	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Ryysa Frigate at 20km from vagabond = dead frigate in ~5 seconds. We are not talking about a 1v1 between a Vaga and a Frig with a 20km Web. We are talking about having two additional ship classes that can now help web Vagas (along with all other Nano ships). And these are ships with very fast locking times so it will be interesting to see how this turns out. This is pretty much an indirect nerf on Nano ships.

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