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Tegri Taganatta
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:00:00 -
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This has HAD to be talked about before....but i thought it needed a fresh voice.....
We need a new industrial ship type....the Battlehulk !!!
We have the lesser mining barges, the Hulk, and yes we have the Orca and Rorqual. They are all wonderful and have their specific place in the mining operation.
We do not have any mining ship for Low Security and NO Security space. What we currently have are big visable targets for any random pvp'er to come collect.
Please, Please, Please give us a ship that can 1. at least equal a hulk in mining capability 2. have defensive capabilities enough to protect itself from enemies 3. have offensive capabilities enough to protect itself from enemies
This would get more people down into Low and No Security space to mine the asteroid belts.
On a personal note: I do not like getting my expensive hulk shot up each and every time i try to go down there. The only way i have seen it done was if a person had several accounts so they could have combat patrols to protect the paper protected miner. The Low and No Security space in Eve-Online needs a mining platform that has mining, defensive, and offensive capabilities so that surviving is a real concept.
Thank you. |
mippie
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:15:00 -
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trollolololol? |
Kasutra
Tailor Company
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:12:00 -
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Quote:The only way i have seen it done was if a person had several accounts so they could have combat patrols to protect the paper protected miner. This is the recommended way.
A common trick is to get someone else to fly the alts, so you don't have to multitask as much*. Make sure you create a "corporation" to group together your main and all your alt, makes it much easier to coordinate and communicate with the guys who are flying the alts for you.
*Make them pay for the alts too, they are the ones flying the ships, so it's only fair. |
Septu Resheph
Eternal Guardians
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:21:00 -
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I would have to tend to agree. We the pvpers and lovers of tears and explosions....hehehe explosions have gotten many ships, many options and continue to get new ships. What do the miners get? Nothing besides a few expensive ships that have no defensive ability and are exceedingly easy to destroy with effectively no loss of our own considering the expense of the ship and moduals used. These ships introduced long ago......... We the people that depend on those whom we attack to make for us more ships to destroy attacking and defending ourselves and the ships we use to destroy those that give us that ability.
Industrialists need some love. |
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:45:00 -
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Septu Resheph wrote:I would have to tend to agree. We the pvpers and lovers of tears and explosions....hehehe explosions have gotten many ships, many options and continue to get new ships. What do the miners get? Nothing besides a few expensive ships that have no defensive ability and are exceedingly easy to destroy with effectively no loss of our own considering the expense of the ship and moduals used. These ships introduced long ago......... We the people that depend on those whom we attack to make for us more ships to destroy attacking and defending ourselves and the ships we use to destroy those that give us that ability. Industrialists need some love.
So you can add new shpi types to your kill boards? |
Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:34:00 -
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No amount of tank or gank is going to make up for not paying attention to what is going on around you. Miners get ganked because they don't get safe when hostiles show up, not because their ships are too easy to kill. |
Cowboy Nuggets
DruNks In SpAce
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:36:00 -
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Ehn Roh wrote:No amount of tank or gank is going to make up for not paying attention to what is going on around you. Miners get ganked because they don't get safe when hostiles show up, not because their ships are too easy to kill. This. |
Vigo Carpath
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:38:00 -
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Tegri Taganatta wrote:
Please, Please, Please give us a ship that can 1. at least equal a hulk in mining capability 2. have defensive capabilities enough to protect itself from enemies 3. have offensive capabilities enough to protect itself from enemies
Already have that ship. It's called a Hulk.
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:53:00 -
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Mining is one of the lest profitable things you can do in EVE. There is no reason a person has to have 5 accounts plus to make it worth while. CCP does not care and would rather use DEV time to work on pewing in space than indy stuff. Give us a better ship than a hulk even if it only has one more high slot for a strip miner. There has been countless ideas from the community to improve mining and indy things but CCP just sits back and stares at us like a dumb horse. |
Septu Resheph
Eternal Guardians
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:29:00 -
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Its always fun to blow something new up but that is not the point here.
The hulk takes absolutly forever to get off the line, take a fast frigate, DIC or something to that effect that can get in, get in warp and you can easily land and tackle before the hulk can get going. That is with an alined hulk and a pilot that is paying attention. Its not all that hard if you have good skills and are quick on your toes to catch a hulk or other fun to kill ships including battleships and battlecruisers. Hell its not that hard to catch alot of people if you set up right, get in and move your arse.
Hell lets be honest, a maxed out fat arse battleship is faster then a maxed out hulk and that is exceedingly sad. It should be on the scale of a really fat frigate for some of the small miners to cruiser size tank and speed which they don't come anywhere close to at this time. That gives them enough buffer and tank and speed to take on a belt rat which can currnelty destroy any of the industrialists short of a dedicated tank hulk and its still to SLOW!!!
Industrialists need some love, besides being extremally sad.....I mean slow and have no defense at all they only have a few ships. They need alot of love, more speed, more tank, mine more faster and some new ships and skills perhaps.
The total destruction of macro miners, some type of test that if failed would allow us to attack them perhaps? |
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Cleerly Analt
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:54:00 -
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Septu Resheph wrote:The total destruction of macro miners, some type of test that if failed would allow us to attack them perhaps?
Coming soon to Internet Spaceships near you: Captcha targeting. Fail (or don't complete) the Captcha, you are successfully targeted.
[this post is satire] |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:11:00 -
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On the second screen at work, I mine with my alt. I made about 35M ISK in 6 hours in hisec. I was in a hulk with a reasonable toon.
Of course, it would be fantastic to be in a fleet with an orca with T2 mining boosts and a mindlinked clone. I shall research getting into a corp which doesn't require me to be on voice comms while mining yet still lets me fleet my scrub miner up with their fat orca bonuses. This would nominally almost double my yield.
I would go to lowsec, but for two reasons - one, when my boss comes in the room I would have to alt-tab out and in that time I might get ganked. Two, one cannot imply wlk into Mordor - nor fit a cloak to a Hulk. The only resolution to this problem appears to be a mining Ferox with a cloak, and jetcan mine 2100m away from the jetcan.
I could sink SP's into this alt to get him astrometrics skill and send him off to find gravs in lowsec. This would give me a little more breathing space, as I would effectively be at a safespot. However, not sure that its worth the time invested in probing these out (if they exist close enough) and then have to use the Ferox anyway. No way in hell can a Hulk move through lowsec unmolested.
Should CCP make a ship which is meant for lowsec work? Oh, right, its called a Skiff, and its yield is 1/3rd that of any other ship. So you get a choice of having a warp strength enhanced ship which is terrible at its job; a mining BC/BS, or....
I mean, lowsec mining is such a niche it hardly gets done by anyone in a "professional" way. A couple of the ded-end systems, you'll see people doing it because they can monitor the gate.
But that's just lowsec. You don't need a new ship - you need better organisation. Though I do agree that the Hulk's align time is so atrocious it is a disaster.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:36:00 -
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Why don't you give a mineral bay and fittings to fit a uber-pulse-mining-laser to BCs? One that requires no turret or missile hardpoint tho - think of a 30km range Salvager, that can chew through asteroids and wrecks alike. The dedicated mineral bay, will compress minerals and hold them interdependently of the regular cargo hold.
That will seize the requests for a badger-hulk too, as you won't need to combine the hulk with a industrial to get more cargo space. You won't need to combine the Hulk with the Noctis either...
So, just give us the Tornado-Hulk-Noctis-Rorqual and other racial equivalents to help us enjoy the game properly! Call them Tier 4 BCs. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Fist1
Reaver Technologies Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:18:00 -
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Fly a BS with drone bonuses. Put mining lasers in the highs. Tank it out. Use drones for offense. ????? Profit |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:50:00 -
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1. BS Mining 2. Join a corp and mine in a well protected system. |
Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:51:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Mining is one of the lest profitable things you can do in EVE. There is no reason a person has to have 5 accounts plus to make it worth while. CCP does not care and would rather use DEV time to work on pewing in space than indy stuff. Give us a better ship than a hulk even if it only has one more high slot for a strip miner. There has been countless ideas from the community to improve mining and indy things but CCP just sits back and stares at us like a dumb horse.
It's one of the least profitable things in hisec, because if you do it right it is virtually risk free. Not even a log-on trap can get you if you are paying attention. I think some people are not understanding what it means to actually be aligned, and what that entails in relation to a stationary object. Combat pilots get it; too many miners are stuck at I WANT TO SIT HERE AND LASER THIS ROCK.
Mining can be extremely profitable even in something like an Osprey. The question is, where are you mining, who are you selling the proceeds to (and in what form), and what relation does that place and those customers have to other regions and markets.
Simple example; ass end of lowsec. Pirates live there. Pirates need equipment and supplies to yarr on people. They frequently cannot zip in and out of hisec where these things are cheap. You may not have a lot of buyers for trit, etc., out in the armpit of space, but you have a lot of demand for things like expanded probe launchers, probes, sensor boosters, smart bombs, etc. Enough demand for a 1000% markup over hisec. People won't just buy them, they'll often buy ALL of them at once. People making ISK like this are busy making ISK, not complaining on the forums that using a Hulk on Veld in 1.0 isn't profitable enough.
If you're a miner in hisec, you are sitting there surrounded by a giant pile of miners all racing to suck down the crappiest rocks in space and then sell them in the market with the lowest prices. It doesn't really matter how awesome your skills and ships and modules are, you are simply doing it in the least profitable place. It doesn't make sense to balance mining based the desire to make wild amounts of ISK in that environment, or to balance it around the desire for people to mine AFK or at work.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:14:00 -
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Well, I have to say that exhumers appear to be specialized mineral gatherers. If a new mining ship were to be introduced, it should be tankier (with a cruiser-like tank) with less productivity (but still better than a tech 1 barge) then an exhumer. Perhaps even the use of medium to large mining drones (but cannot use combat drones). They'd still require support of combat ships should a player or BS rats arrive, but at least they wouldnt get one shot
Of course why mine when you can spend less than an hour running a DED and make a billion+ isk. |
Shriven89
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:10:00 -
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I feel dirty but I quite like the idea of a "Deep Space Miner"... Hulks aren't tanky enough to stop any determined attacker.
How about something that has less productivity than a T2 mining thingy, a bit more tank... and a warp strength bonus? Perhaps make it damn expensive too? |
Skurja Volpar
DPB Corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:23:00 -
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I think a miner with better tank/allign time but a lower yield is a pretty good idea.
But still, if your afk in an asteroid belt in a battleship you should expect to be blown out of it by the time you return, maybe just giving current exhumers a slight agility buff and strip miners a range bonus so adventerous miners can stay ready to warp out.
Although, there is always the Scythe/Osprey. Sounds like the answer has been here all along . |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2012.01.27 12:04:00 -
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Mining in a ship that has a full set of defensive/offensive options already exists
Hint: Rogue Drones |
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