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Rissy	Posted - 2007.10.29 03:44:00 - [1] Somth like that will pwn! high: 5 cruise launchers, neutralizer, cloak med: 3 multi-ECM, MWD, Web, Disruptor, 2xLSE low: 2xSDA, DCU, ShieldRecharger rigs: shield recharge rigs Omg, cant wait to try this...
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:11:00 - [2] I doubt the widow will be a solo pwnmobile more so than any of the other marauders, specifically because to jam properly it gives up damage and the possibility of having a serious armor tank. Anyway, a couple things about your setup: since you'd be in scrambling range anyway, why cruise and not siege? A shield power relay (shield recharger goes in mids) doesn't do much for a battleship either, a 1600mm plate, BCU or third SDA would be better choices. And the LSE gives less hp than an invuln.
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:13:00 - [3] Especially seeing its black ops ;) Oh, and wouldnt this cap out in ... 12 seconds? Postcount: 204413 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:17:00 - [4] it's not even out for christs sake. -------------------------- "There's always a bigger blob." -Qui-Gon Jinn
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:20:00 - [5] 5x Cruise, recon probe launcher, cloak mwd, 15km web, 30km scram, heavy cap booster, 4x damps t2 large armor rep, 1600 plate, eanm (faction of some sort), dc2 Damp rigs, drones as needed. Hit and run, small targets, or solo BS far from help. Possibly swap cruise for torps if they can fit. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:22:00 - [6] Why would you ever fit damps on a ship with a 20%/level bonus to ECM? Especially since they're being nerfed.
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:27:00 - [7] Originally by: NoNah Especially seeing its black ops ;) Oh, and wouldnt this cap out in ... 12 seconds? It sure is, that's what happens when I'm tired.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Xequecal Why would you ever fit damps on a ship with a 20%/level bonus to ECM? Especially since they're being nerfed. ECM is best for gangs IMO, and damps for assassinating solo ships far from help. A gang fit for the ship would be all ECM in the mids, a cap booster, sensor booster, and some ECM booster mods in the lows, with ECM strength rigs and cruise missiles, and keep the ship 150+km off from the rest of the gang. Maybe a plate in the 4th mid for some buffer. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:38:00 - [9] solopwnmobile? Battleship level scan resolution + cloak = enough time for EVERYTHING to warp away. Originally by: Bodhisattvas by the way you keep on missing the "a" from pwn, do you need any help with its placem
Sinistro	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:17:00 - [10] Edited by: Sinistro on 29/10/2007 05:17:54 Originally by: VJ Maverick solopwnmobile? Battleship level scan resolution + cloak = enough time for EVERYTHING to warp away. read the last line from the ship bonus: 5% reduction in missile launcher rate of fire per Caldari BS level 10% bonus to missile velocity per Caldari BS level 10% bonus to ECM effectiveness per Black Ops level 25% bonus to cloaked velocity per Black Ops level Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Jump Portal Generator and Covert Cynosural Field Generator CPU need. No targeting delay when using cloaking devices but I think this will be changed if its not changed already. uncloak, lock, shoot and cloak is what was on bombers when they came out and it was changed fast and that was with missiles, the gun ships black ops will have direct dam and can cloak directly after again.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:22:00 - [11] Originally by: VJ Maverick solopwnmobile? Battleship level scan resolution + cloak = enough time for EVERYTHING to warp away. If it's that much of an issue, fit a sensor booster, it has 8 mids ffs. Additionally, no cloak lock time penalty noob. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:24:00 - [12] He means the scan resolution penalty for which the black ops doesn't get a bonus. I'd forgotten about that and frankly, it blows.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:37:00 - [13] Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 29/10/2007 05:38:21 Originally by: Incantare He means the scan resolution penalty for which the black ops doesn't get a bonus. I'd forgotten about that and frankly, it blows. WTF are you talking about? ARE YOU BLIND?! Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Jump Portal Generator and Covert Cynosural Field Generator CPU need. No targeting delay when using cloaking devices. That is the equivilant of the scan res penalty. It works just like stealth bombers, which suffer no loss of scan res. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:38:00 - [14] solo and caldari in same santance without a "not" ? its still a support ship, just like any caldari ship..
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:39:00 - [15] Originally by: iiOs solo and caldari in same santance without a "not" ? its still a support ship, just like any caldari ship.. Nerf Minmatar. :D BTW, rendering LEGENDARY III atm. :D Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Incantare on 29/10/2007 05:45:19 Edit: OK targeting delay =/= recalibaration time, I see what you mean. That wasn't exactly clear.
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:54:00 - [17] Edited by: iiOs on 29/10/2007 05:56:01 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: iiOs solo and caldari in same santance without a "not" ? its still a support ship, just like any caldari ship.. Nerf Minmatar. :D BTW, rendering LEGENDARY III atm. :D nerf gallente!
Closer Still	Posted - 2007.10.29 06:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Rissy Somth like that will pwn! high: 5 cruise launchers, neutralizer, cloak med: 3 multi-ECM, MWD, Web, Disruptor, 2xLSE low: 2xSDA, DCU, ShieldRecharger rigs: shield recharge rigs Omg, cant wait to try this... go buy one the first day and test that setup on my maelstrom that setup will run out of cap in like a minute.. and i cant imagine the tank will be very mean since itll be a ghetto passive tank with 0% EM resist. pretty much the widow equates to a scorpion with a 5% launcher RoF and better cloaking with the pricetag of a carrier (i forget the price, but i imagine its gnna start at a billion anyway).
Rissy	Posted - 2007.10.29 06:24:00 - [19] Cap issues only if you run neutralizer nonstop. Neutralizer there not meant to permarun. Only for additional support if you fail jamm cycle. And no - no dameners on this sweet baby!
Zekspir Gens Pontus Euxin	Posted - 2007.10.29 06:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Closer Still [...] pretty much the widow equates to a scorpion with a 5% launcher RoF and better cloaking with the pricetag of a carrier (i forget the price, but i imagine its gnna start at a billion anyway). . . .. . . I think not mate. Check the Scorp stats first and make asumptions afterwards. It does more damage than the Scorp thanks to one extra launcher AND a 25% ROF bonus so no, it does not equate a Scorp. As for the price itself, saw some calculations done in another thread that pretty much checked out (on my third calculation runthru I got the same numbers . .I suck at math ) so I expect it will stabilise somewhere around 500 mill. Still pricy but the main attraction for this ship will be the "jumpy thingie", althou it will perform pretty well in pvp (I think ). The only thing I agree to is that with that setup the widow will run outta cap pretty fast. ------------------------------------------------------ . . . File not found. Should I fake it ? (Y/N) . . .
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.29 07:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Incantare He means the scan resolution penalty for which the black ops doesn't get a bonus. I'd forgotten about that and frankly, it blows. WTF are you talking about? ARE YOU BLIND?! Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Jump Portal Generator and Covert Cynosural Field Generator CPU need. No targeting delay when using cloaking devices. So I was right. Black ops do get the signature resolution penalty. There are two lessons to be learned here. First: LEARN TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE BONUSES. Second: TYPING IN ALL CAPS ONLY MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID WHEN YOU'RE PROVED WRONG.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.29 08:17:00 - [22] As a corpmate just noted on IRC: "Great, a 600mil instant primary." She still wants one.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.29 08:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Bellum Eternus [ ECM is best for gangs IMO, and damps for assassinating solo ships far from help. Generally, yeah. With ship bonuses and good ECM skills, it can work just as well, however.
Kamikaaazi Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.29 09:00:00 - [24] cruise missiles suck. 5 cruise with for bonuse do around 250 DPS. Even a thorax does more than that. Basically caldari yet again got a ship that has no tank, no speed and no DPS. Nothing new to eve. yarr
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.29 09:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Kamikaaazi cruise missiles suck. 5 cruise with for bonuse do around 250 DPS. Even a thorax does more than that. Basically caldari yet again got a ship that has no tank, no speed and no DPS. Nothing new to eve. So you're complaining that the DPS of an EW ship at 100+km is in the same ballpark as a blaster combat ship at 1-2km? That is so missing the whole point that I'm not sure where to begin... so I won't even try.
Bum Slave	Posted - 2007.10.29 09:09:00 - [26] OMG you already have your eyes set on the next nerf!
Kamikaaazi Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.29 09:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Kamikaaazi cruise missiles suck. 5 cruise with for bonuse do around 250 DPS. Even a thorax does more than that. Basically caldari yet again got a ship that has no tank, no speed and no DPS. Nothing new to eve. So you're complaining that the DPS of an EW ship at 100+km is in the same ballpark as a blaster combat ship at 1-2km? That is so missing the whole point that I'm not sure where to begin... so I won't even try. what 100km? I didnt see any ecm range bonus. It would be much more useful ship if it could fit siege II and had a tanking bonus instead of that useless ecm bonus. yarr
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 10:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Kamikaaazi Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Kamikaaazi cruise missiles suck. 5 cruise with for bonuse do around 250 DPS. Even a thorax does more than that. Basically caldari yet again got a ship that has no tank, no speed and no DPS. Nothing new to eve. So you're complaining that the DPS of an EW ship at 100+km is in the same ballpark as a blaster combat ship at 1-2km? That is so missing the whole point that I'm not sure where to begin... so I won't even try. what 100km? I didnt see any ecm range bonus. It would be much more useful ship if it could fit siege II and had a tanking bonus instead of that useless ecm bonus. Then you'd be an idiot. Decloak, jam 2 ships and kill a 3rd with TORPS, cloak. All the tank in the world wont help you if you cant kill anything and they keep you tackled. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 11:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Kamikaaazi what 100km? I didnt see any ecm range bonus. It would be much more useful ship if it could fit siege II and had a tanking bonus instead of that useless ecm bonus. You have a point about the no bonus to optimal range (actualy I forgot that it lacked it), but ...ummm.... are you saying the +10% to ECM strength is a useless bonus? Anyway, IF it could fit a cov ops cloak then it would be a good solopwnmobile. Right now I place it in the category of stealth bombers... I have one, but will only fly it in 1% of the situations. Oh and what's the problem about fitting 5xsiege launchers? There's enough grid for them and with a couple of pdu's you can fit mwd+injector (tbh a med injector is enough).
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 11:15:00 - [30] the widow, a solopwnmobile? sure if you work arround the nearly 200mil tons of the ship, wich make her quite mobile... --- planetary interaction idea!

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