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Daedrin Aldinon	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:26:00 - [1] So I am mining ore in 0.2 with my little Imicus class frigate. I'm talkin with some people from Eve Uni. During the conversation I comment on how I don't see what is so dangerous about 0.2 space. Honestly I have never been gunned down by an NPC pirate and everytime I have seen a player pirate I just warp and run to the next asteroid belt. I then recieved the comment back that I have not had to deal with a competent pirate in low-sec space yet. So my question to the community is this. You are a competent and skilled pirate in low sec space. What exactly do you do to ensure that frigate flying noobs like myself get the spanking they deserve before I can warp away
Ogodei Ra	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:47:00 - [2] If you dock as soon as you see the pirate in local you will escape. If you go to the next belt or go to a safespot a good pirate will kill you. They can scan your location fast. They can probe out safespots. They can fit a ship to lock on you before your ship can get into warp. They can fit a ship to move 10x faster than you. If you wait till you see him your probably dead. All hes got to do to kill you is be setup to lock on you fast and warp into a belt near you. Game over.
Daedrin Aldinon	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:56:00 - [3] That's great, so this pirate gets his ship geared out to hunt me down and shoot me before I can jump to warp. Why is he gonna bother with a little frigate like mine?
Archonus Amarr Solar Wind	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:59:00 - [4] Edited by: Archonus on 29/10/2007 18:00:04 They use sensor boosters to lock your frig fast, warp scramblers to keep you from warping, and webs to slow you down. Then its just a matter of you managing to get out of scrambler range or somebody blowing up. Edit: (In response to your last post: ) Because you are something to shoot at, unless they don't feel like wasting time.
Pulgor Independence Autarchy	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:30:00 - [5] Catching frigs is hard and even harder if you put stabs on. In all odds a competent pirate is going to look for a better kill then an incurses. If you were in a barge, then you've got something to worry about. If he is looking to kill you just to show you he can. Well then your best bet is to dock or head to hi-sec because he can fit to kill you.
Pierre Dumonte Aurora Security	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:41:00 - [6] honestly m8, if i encountered you mining in your frig, i would probably engage you just for the fun of it. 0.2 is not so dangerous tho, pirates wont bother with you unless they just want the killmail (most do) always keep your eye on local, alway worry about that pilot you dont know, if someone warps to your belt chances are they want to kill you. Contact me or my corp m8s in game for more information on this subject. see our recruitment thread _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- He who shoots first gets to ask the questions
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:50:00 - [7] Another n00bish question to add to this, and I do apologize for the minor hijack. Why would you want to mine in a Frig in low sec rather than a bigger ship like an Osprey at least? Would a Domi be too slow to react to a potential threat? --------------------------------------
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:57:00 - [8] I do it as a public service....the losec welcome wagon as it were. And admit it...slightly baby-seal bashing though it is...don't you just get that "oooo-damn" moment when a red flashy appears on your overview? Luckily frigate-sized targets are not the best money-makers as the pilots tend to be new. So unless a gang chose you for "first-kill-of-the-op-bloodlust-satisfier" you should be ok. "Should" being a relative term when it comes to pirates though Have fun "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Andre Ricard Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:07:00 - [9] Originally by: digital0verdose Another n00bish question to add to this, and I do apologize for the minor hijack. Why would you want to mine in a Frig in low sec rather than a bigger ship like an Osprey at least? Would a Domi be too slow to react to a potential threat? A Domi is kind of odd in terms of lowsec mining. On the one hand it's a giant freaking target and unless you warp to station the instant you notice hostiles in local you're going to get smoked. I've warped out just as hostiles were entering belt a single kilometer from scram range before. But properly set up a good Minadom is a hard ship to pirate. Smaller vessels can have difficulty with it because a Dominix can just spit out waves of little murderers at you, so you either need to be fast enough to evade the drones or in a big enough ship where you can just murder the Domi faster than he can do it to you. Even better (or worse depending on where you sit), though, is the fact that the Domi is a great bait ship. I've used a "mining" Dominix (I.E. one that was actually only fitting a few miners and was instead fitted out with a nice hefty tank and tackle) to bait out pirates before so that my friends and I can rip them to shreds. ----- Character back under original management.
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Andre Ricard Originally by: digital0verdose Another n00bish question to add to this, and I do apologize for the minor hijack. Why would you want to mine in a Frig in low sec rather than a bigger ship like an Osprey at least? Would a Domi be too slow to react to a potential threat? A Domi is kind of odd in terms of lowsec mining. On the one hand it's a giant freaking target and unless you warp to station the instant you notice hostiles in local you're going to get smoked. I've warped out just as hostiles were entering belt a single kilometer from scram range before. But properly set up a good Minadom is a hard ship to pirate. Smaller vessels can have difficulty with it because a Dominix can just spit out waves of little murderers at you, so you either need to be fast enough to evade the drones or in a big enough ship where you can just murder the Domi faster than he can do it to you. Even better (or worse depending on where you sit), though, is the fact that the Domi is a great bait ship. I've used a "mining" Dominix (I.E. one that was actually only fitting a few miners and was instead fitted out with a nice hefty tank and tackle) to bait out pirates before so that my friends and I can rip them to shreds. So what ship would you recommend for low sec solo mining? --------------------------------------

Andre Ricard Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:20:00 - [11] If you must solo mine I'd say an Osprey as it won't cost too much to lose. If you're feeling adventurous you can try a Dominix, but any pirate who finds you is likely to attempt to call in his friends. ----- Character back under original management.
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Andre Ricard If you must solo mine I'd say an Osprey as it won't cost too much to lose. If you're feeling adventurous you can try a Dominix, but any pirate who finds you is likely to attempt to call in his friends. Why come in and blow me up rather than demand a ransom? Does blowing me up net them more money? BTW, I apologize again for the hijack. Hopefully the OP finds my questions and the answers somewhat informative as well. --------------------------------------
Daedrin Aldinon	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:52:00 - [13] Quote: Why come in and blow me up rather than demand a ransom? Does blowing me up net them more money? BTW, I apologize again for the hijack. Hopefully the OP finds my questions and the answers somewhat informative as well. At this point, I think any information would be beneficial to me since I am still learning. Steering the questions in another direction though, What are some of the ranges I can expect for scramblers and what would be a good stabilizer to use considering my lowbie status. Oh, and lastly I have to comment that the maturity level on these forums is refreshing when considering my typical forum experience is with WoW.
Panch0Villa Caldari AFK	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:06:00 - [14] Edited by: Panch0Villa on 29/10/2007 20:06:59 Daedrin: You are not exactly a worthy adversary, or an inviting target. The time it takes for a bigger ship to lock onto a frigate is longer than it takes the frigate to align and warp out. Another thing is that you may have by chance not come upon any of the pirates in low sec, but I can guarantee they're out there. You'll find them sooner or later. Just maybe not in a mining frigate in a lonely dead-end system. DigitalOD: Ransom is a business deal. You pay X dollars to someone who lets you live, and you move on. If your ship/equipment is worth more than X dollars, it's a reasonable business deal. If your ship is worth (much) less than X dollars, then just let him blow you up. And then some people won't pay ransom on principle, but I guarantee if I'm going to blow your 150m ship up (hypothetically, of course) and ransom you for 20m, you would think it's a nice deal. Not great, but nice. From the pirates' perspective, he wants easy money. He takes your money, and maybe comes back later to ransom you again. His only problem is ransoming you for enough money (somewhat close to your ships' value), but not too much (more than your ships' value). Obviously, if I ransom this imicus pilot for 10 million isk, he's not really going to pay, unless he has some crazy-expensive piece of equipment on there (which common sense says he won't). A Hulk is worth 100m, and three T2 strip miners is worth 30m-40m. Thus, ransoming a Hulk is far better than chasing around a pesky frigate. And of course, there's the griefers and the people who pvp just for the heck of it. Re vera, potas bene.
Cygnus Zhada Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:07:00 - [15] Not having read all the replies, here's mine; They do it because they can, simple as that. Some people do it because they like to hurt others, some because they like to hunt, others for the cash, some for the roleplaying, some for the thrill but they ALL do it because they can. EVERY TIME you die in EVE it's because of YOU, not someone else. It's not the 'fault' of the guy shooting you to bits that you get killed, you LET him. So, having cleared up that people who shoot you aren't mean *******s who thrive on killing 'lowbies'. Here's some tips (also, listen to the people in EVE-U, if they say something you better believe it). - if someone is in low sec with you and he's not blue, he's a potential agressor by definition. Don't look at his sec status, his name, his bio or whatever. Well named, proper BIO 5.0 sec status people will kill you just as easily as a -10 guy called HAHAROFLLOLZ with "DIE MOFO" in his bio. - use your scanner every few seconds to see if a ship is coming your way, if you see something that can/will have guns or drones fitted (just about anything really) RUN to a safespot. And you can't even rely on that one since people can use Recon ships, they'll simply fly cloaked, get close to you, uncloak and start testing your hull strength. - there's ships out there doing WELL over 5000m/s (and it can get a LOT faster), so don't for a second think that you have the time to react once they get in close. - a small ship can be a big danger; that puny little Rifter will @#$k up your cruiser REALLY good. You're a small fish in a big pond, the only way to survive and grow to old age yourself is not to get caught in the first place. Once you're caught you can't defend yourself until you've grown bigger and smarter. Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Daedrin Aldinon Quote: Why come in and blow me up rather than demand a ransom? Does blowing me up net them more money? BTW, I apologize again for the hijack. Hopefully the OP finds my questions and the answers somewhat informative as well. At this point, I think any information would be beneficial to me since I am still learning. Steering the questions in another direction though, What are some of the ranges I can expect for scramblers and what would be a good stabilizer to use considering my lowbie status. Oh, and lastly I have to comment that the maturity level on these forums is refreshing when considering my typical forum experience is with WoW. Don't let the Domi fool you, I am still learning myself. I rushed to that battleship only for rock murder in High-sec, though I am changing my ways and my positioning. I am moving into low sec and trying to learn the ins and outs as much as possible. --------------------------------------
Exuscon Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:11:00 - [17] I frequent low sec. I love Frigate Cakes! If you see me and my Harbinger just start sending me ISK.
Daedrin Aldinon	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:06:00 - [18] lol, no ransom for a frigate bud. But nice try
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:25:00 - [19] Originally by: digital0verdose Originally by: Andre Ricard If you must solo mine I'd say an Osprey as it won't cost too much to lose. If you're feeling adventurous you can try a Dominix, but any pirate who finds you is likely to attempt to call in his friends. Why come in and blow me up rather than demand a ransom? Does blowing me up net them more money? BTW, I apologize again for the hijack. Hopefully the OP finds my questions and the answers somewhat informative as well. The more traditional pirates will offer ransom terms if safe to do so (i.e. no local spikes, no smack from target, stalling etc). Blowing up a target usually results in much less income than a ransom. If for some reason you don't get a convo yell in local "RANSOM??". It might get thier attention Good luck! "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Vivian Porter	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:52:00 - [20] IRL pirates are murdering scum who take advantage of people weaker than they are - simply because they can. In EVE people play murdering scum who take advantage of people weaker than they are - simply because they can. IRL - pirates are doing what they do for economics. They are mostly poor fishermen who come across some rich person (i.e. someone with more money than they do) and take advantage of that person - because they can. In EVE ... they don't really get that much from blowing up a frigate - but - will blow up whoever they can for the fun of it which they do - simply because they can. They're much happier about it if they get a fat target - but blowing up some other guys ship for the fun of it is reason enough. I've often wondered if the Developers of this game sat down and decided they wanted to play SciFi Pirates and created a game to do that. The entire rest of the game being created - for the sole purpose of giving them someone to take advantage of. It's still a good game ... but ... one thing you should keep in mind: Your purpose in the game (if you aren't a pirate) ... is to provide someone for the pirates to take advantage of. The game for you - is to try and keep them from doing it. Good luck down there in .2 but if you come up to high sec ... don't even think you've left all the pirates behind. The point about people with 5.0 Security Ratings is well stated. Having a high security rating ... simply means he could be a smart pirate NOT that he isn't one. The last pirate to steal my stuff and then blow me up in my cruiser with his frigate when I tried to contest it, was just such a guy.

KiiLLa Red Raiders Russian Coalition.	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:53:00 - [21] EVE gives you a choice. Risk vs. Reward. Dont like piracy? Stick to empire or join a large null-sec alliance. In fact, in null-sec youre actually safer than in lo-sec since there'll be a lot of friendlies around you in the system and neutrals get the axe (if its a proper NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) alliance). In fact, null-sec can sometimes be safer than empire if youre towing along something really expensive. In empire you relax and hit that interface glitch (a.k.a. the "A" button, autopilot) until someone finds out you got several hundred mil worth of loot on ya. In null-sec you KNOW you'll probably hit a gatecamp so you'll be going doubly-careful. Yarr ftw! <sig>{string not found}</sig>
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:36:00 - [22] Its a matter of productivity. Lowsec its hard to be productive, because you sometimes get chased around. I was living in lowsec from my second day in game, its not as convenient as highsec but definitely doable and more exciting. Most ppl are crybabies, they fly what they cant afford to lose and complain when they get popped.
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:14:00 - [23] Edited by: Kessiaan on 30/10/2007 10:20:25 Edited by: Kessiaan on 30/10/2007 10:16:35 I mine in lowsec on a pretty regular basis, but ONLY offgrid (in other words, not near any warpable object on the overview), usually in gravimetric exploration sites. The only dangerous part mining like this is coming through the gate. Once in position at an offgrid mining site the only way pirates can find you is to probe you out. Scan probes show up on the directional scanner which gives a lot more time to dock up than one would have in a belt and saves you from having to dock just because someone came in local. Not to mention the average Joe Pirate doesn't have the skills and/or isn't carrying the needed equipment anyway. ----- My in Eve Profile


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