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Mike'P
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:27:00 -
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Hey guys,
Yet again, I've managed - whilst sober, not tired, not distracted - to lose a good few mil ISK with a misplaced digit updating my order set - specifically with the 'feature' whereby the comma's disappear in the buy price field when you click on them. It's annoying, but I can't really complain as it's not stopping me doing anything, and I can make it back in 10 days or so if lucky..... but it's just tedious.
On the one hand, I can see this as a good thing as it took some of my hoarded capital and redistributed it, but on the other hand, if you were really dealing with a broker, surely a bid price that is 100+ mill different from what you last bid would cause a twitching eyebrow that you would notice. In this case, yet again, the 'orders' page declined to show this update, so no twitching eyebrow could be discerned.
Thanks to all that contributed good suggestions to my earlier thread on the UI needing updating - my question this time is whether I am just a clueless trader who should have someone looking over his shoulder on every update, or whether other people out there lose ISK on more than one occasion because the trading UI is just inconsistent or broken.
Cheers,
Mike'P
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:32:00 -
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Woohoo, another thread about the same thing, again, that ignores a gold marked thread of similar vein on the same page.
What is a community to do with such providence? Ignore it of course.(Pssst. Thread dead due to redundancy in case you didn't know.)
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:34:00 -
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Always hit tab, not enter.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:34:00 -
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I've never once made a big mistake like this. I am very careful and that has payed off by not losing lots of ISK. If you rush or don't pay full attention you're gonna eventually fall victim to this.
If I did make a mistake in the future it would be the price I payed for rushing or being lazy.
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Shar Tegral
Woohoo, another thread about the same thing, again, that ignores a gold marked thread of similar vein on the same page.
What is a community to do with such providence? Ignore it of course.(Pssst. Thread dead due to redundancy in case you didn't know.)
Terribly sorry, I'm not astute enough to realise that a thread entitled 'Since we at least have ISD monitoring this section'(*) is the same thing.
Silly me.
Please cancel this thread, my character, and you can all have my stuff (first come, first served, I hope you like militants)
(*) Maybe a sticky entitled 'market UI suggested improvements for Trinity' might be better. Oh, damn, too late, they spent all their time making things more shiny.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Please cancel this thread, my character, and you can all have my stuff (first come, first served, I hope you like militants)
Just remember, it is Shar Tegral when you set up the contract for all your stuff. Not that common substitute for genuine hostile intellect labeled as "Shadarle". And militants are just fine, taste like chicken!
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Just remember, it is Shar Tegral when you set up the contract for all your stuff. Not that common substitute for genuine hostile intellect labeled as "Shadarle".
And militants are just fine, taste like chicken![/justify]
Very sorry, I set up a sell order, but because the commas disappear when you update an order, and because the orders don't update all the time when you make a change, and because I'm apparently human and make typos, I sold the lot for 50p, so you're SOL.
Soz.
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Hey guys,
Yet again, I've managed - whilst sober, not tired, not distracted - to lose a good few mil ISK with a misplaced digit updating my order set - specifically with the 'feature' whereby the comma's disappear in the buy price field when you click on them. It's annoying, but I can't really complain as it's not stopping me doing anything, and I can make it back in 10 days or so if lucky..... but it's just tedious.
On the one hand, I can see this as a good thing as it took some of my hoarded capital and redistributed it, but on the other hand, if you were really dealing with a broker, surely a bid price that is 100+ mill different from what you last bid would cause a twitching eyebrow that you would notice. In this case, yet again, the 'orders' page declined to show this update, so no twitching eyebrow could be discerned.
Thanks to all that contributed good suggestions to my earlier thread on the UI needing updating - my question this time is whether I am just a clueless trader who should have someone looking over his shoulder on every update, or whether other people out there lose ISK on more than one occasion because the trading UI is just inconsistent or broken.
Cheers,
Mike'P
Most of traders did this mistake at least once. But I don't think it is bad UI (optional confirm window on modify dialog would be nice though), cos nothing forced me to enter new price in rush and click OK before checking it.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Just remember, it is Shar Tegral when you set up the contract for all your stuff. Not that common substitute for genuine hostile intellect labeled as "Shadarle".
And militants are just fine, taste like chicken![/justify]
Very sorry, I set up a sell order, but because the commas disappear when you update an order, and because the orders don't update all the time when you make a change, and because I'm apparently human and make typos, I sold the lot for 50p, so you're SOL.
Soz.
Wow... the world is just out to get you isn't it? It sucks that the game forced you to be lazy and not double check your numbers!
We don't have much patience for whine threads here or people who want to complain about how the game screwed them over. Take responsibility for your own actions, stop crying over your mistakes and blaming others for them.
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:21:00 -
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Whats up with this "we" in every second thread (I think Shar just used it in another thread)? Speak for yourself people, there is no "we".
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
Whats up with this "we" in every second thread (I think Shar just used it in another thread)? Speak for yourself people, there is no "we".
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.30 03:49:00 -
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Just pay attention to the percent figure. It suffers no deficiency of commas or periods and is even colored green or red - now how great is that? You see it going up too high or going down too low that should be a warning that you messed up the price and gotta recheck your digits. Or hit tab, that also works.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.30 05:34:00 -
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It would seem the Stapler Theorem has appeared once more. This could become an epidemic if we don't quash it soon.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.30 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm
Always hit tab, not enter.
Hit tab after you enter the price and it formats it with 0's for you. Hitting enter at all in a buy/sell order is a bad idea.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.30 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
It would seem the Stapler Theorem has appeared once more. This could become an epidemic if we don't quash it soon.
I was thinking the exact same thing, glad you brought it up first tho 
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.10.30 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
It would seem the Stapler Theorem has appeared once more. This could become an epidemic if we don't quash it soon.
It's time to do the only rational thing. We have to buy all of the staplers and hide them in the bowels of some ****ty station in Amarr. It's the only solution.
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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.30 09:31:00 -
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What amazes me is the lack of ... stones the Shar Twins have for abusing devs that fall victom to this.
A dev in the aforementioned thread admits to the very same accident that has befallen the OP, and they both are silent. Their constant abusive position of "don't come in here and whine for being lazy" comments were noticably absent.
I am not really surprised in this, they have consistently sought out new posters in these forums on this issue and have taken an aggressive, dare I offensive position on the matter.
Mike'P, the Shar twins do not speak for these forums dispite their usage of 'we'. In fact, they are a fringe if not byline to the vast quality that is present ih these forums. They choose to inundate us all with volume of posts rather than substance and I encourage you to not be discurraged with your posting on this issue.
It is a REAL problem, effect most of anyone using the market and is pattently unfair/bad coding. (Despite what the Twins have to say about the matter.)
Taikun
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2007.10.30 11:26:00 -
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Thanks all for some illuminating comments. I didn't know about the 'tab' trick, so that is a bit of learning.
I've also learned that 'human error' means the same thing as 'lazy' and 'whiney', which is also news to me. 
I've also also learned that this *does* happen to other people, so I'm not completely alone in having a data entry error rate of about 1 in 5000 or so updates, and despite being called lazy and accused of being a whiner, I feel it was worth making this post.
The real question is whether we will see some changes to the UI to make it less easy to trip yourself up, or whether the interface is actually part of the game mechanic and - as I said - is actually a good thing to help redistribute wealth around.... a bit like getting your freighter ganked: frustrating but - hey - it's all part of the game.
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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.30 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
The real question is whether we will see some changes to the UI to make it less easy to trip yourself up,
back in the day, there was no warning dialouge box whatsoever. This caused such a flap with the community CCP introduced a warning box to help stop such 'accidents' from occuring. However, in typical CCP 'laziness' they 1/2 implemented a cure and promptly forgot about the issue.
The result, if you modify a price (the most common occurance of this error) you are still subject to falling victom to it.
This has been the case not for weeks or months... but YEARS.
CCP is well aware of the issue and yet have failed the entire community by not fixing it.
Taikun
P.S. The loan scam expoit was 'part of the game' until enough people rose up and complained about it CCP finally called it a exploit and threatened to ban accounts for doing it. Just because it may be 'part of the game' now doesn't make it right, nor should it remain the same in the future.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
back in the day, there was no warning dialouge box whatsoever.
I miss those days so much. CCP begun the process to turn Eve into something like WoW, where there was no way to get scammed, or you had to be an absolute fool to get scammed in the market.
But the whole point was that you could structure your buy orders however you wanted. If someone wasn't smart enough to do their research you could get some great sales well under valued.
But these days we have a UI that requires like 20 confirmations just to get from an undocked state into a lowsec system. You guys have no idea how simple you have things these days. But I personally think it is way too watered down.
They have all kinds of market securities to stop people becoming victims to their own shortcomings, but there is 1 leak in that,to which people complain about it when the issue occurs once in a blue moon. Bug-report it and move on  It's not the end of the world.
Anyway, everything is watered down. Contracts have a base value box where you can determine the value of your items. Whilst it is handy it is again protecting people from their own stupidity. Smarter people capitalised on this in the old days.
* We now have kill rights
* Complex rules when attacking someone who took from your can. ie, can you shoot them, can your corpmate shoot them, your gang member, can his gang member shoot you back, or his gang members corporation?
It's ridiculous. And with all these fancy things, CCP are putting warning dialogue boxes everywhere.
"If you undock you might die"
"If you eject you may lose your ship"
"If you self-destruct your ship will blow up"
"If you accept this ship in trade something bad can happen to you"
"This person is at war, do you want to accept him?"
"Shooting this caldari ship will have a negative impact on your caldari standings"
"Moving into lowsec may result in your death"
And about 100 others. I rather see CCP just design a detailed game manual and leave it at that. Let people learn the strings through the tutorial, not be plagued by them after years playing the game.
I still need to confirm changes I make when trading between my characters. Hell, I give Ricdics an Obelisk in a trade window, and RICDICS gets the warning (the one recieving). Like, umm, WTF?. Shouldn't the one giving away the ship be warned he will lose everything inside it? Sure, I would understand if you could have your ship like a trojan hors, where upon trading it explodes their personal hangar so you can infiltrate etc, but I don't think CCP have that planned for Rev3.
So thats my beef. Eve is noob-friendly which is fine to a point. But when those noob protections are forced onto an old player with no way to remove them permanently it does **** you off.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:42:00 -
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I have made this mistake as well. I blame no one but myself. I was in a hurry and I forgot to tab out of the price box and verify my entry. Needless to say the owner of the highest buy order was VERY happy.
I for one do not want to have to confirm every buy/sell order in a second window. As I stated, I blamed myself and moved on. It is part of trading. That day, the market won, but I have yet to repeat that error. Live and learn is a great motto...
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:39:00 -
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Horrible, horrible, pathetic excuse for an UI: Eve - what did you expect?
Defending said horrible pathetic UI - Eve's player base - what did you expect?
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